PS2:the ONLY console with free built-in dvd playback:)

*beep*  wrong pal, try again

YOU started the insults AND chrono isnt quite my friend, although he is SOMETHING called a SENIOR MEMBER.  need i say more?

mm

Ok, I lied, I\'m replying again

No mm, go back and look at the posts again, he started the personal stuff (me calling his friends dad a moron isn\'t personal,....well, not to Chrono himself anyways).

And all senior member means is he\'s posted more, it says nothing of the quality of those posts. I could wip off 100 posts a week, but I like to think before I post. (Note: that is not meant for Chrono himself, that is meant for people in general who post frivilously just to inflate their post count. re: SyxxKorn/SomeGayWrestler)

have fun with the Glitch-Box

Nice!Really nice!And I thought calling it the ****-box was good,glitch-box is like the better name!Can I steal that with your permission of course?

And why does every descent topic resort into an all out battle between EThugg and Chrono?You guys BOTH screwed up a perfectly good topic when you decided to have another one of your famous arguements.I agree with EThugg here:Go on ICQ instead of here.

Originally posted by mm
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LOL LIKE HELL!!!!!!! X-Box is all but dead now. Dead before it was ever alive...

LOL-glitch-box, I\'d like to use dat as well if it\'s ok wit u

remember though this is a PS2 forum, not a Xbox forum so we don\'t noe if it\'s dead or not

I think XBox leaving out the DVD playback is a great thing.  I already have a dvd and dvd\'s are very inexpensive now.  I still maintain that the one thing that will separate the XBox from the rest is XBox is the only console w/a hard drive right out of the box.  Yeah, Sony may have a harddrive as an addon but addons almost always fail.

Whatever. Ur 1st post and ur already flamin.

So what!  Flammin or not, the facts were stated.  PS2 is the only console w/DVD playback.  Big deal, XBox will be the only console w/a hard drive right out of the box.  Once again, I already have a dvd and don\'t need it.  But the idea of a hard drive leaves much more to the imagination.

Originally posted by AVG25
I think XBox leaving out the DVD playback is a great thing.  I already have a dvd and dvd\'s are very inexpensive now.  I still maintain that the one thing that will separate the XBox from the rest is XBox is the only console w/a hard drive right out of the box.  Yeah, Sony may have a harddrive as an addon but addons almost always fail.

Wow newbie,you have proven absolutely nothing.

The DC is the only console with a built in modem,so I guess that seperates it from all consoles,doesn\'t it?

The PS2 is the only console with a built in DVD player,so I guess that seperates it from all other consoles as well, doesn\'t it?

And since everyone already has a computer,why would you want a hard drive on a game system?It doesn\'t appear to be a very intelligent move by Microsoft at all judging from that angle.

So please explain your point Mr.Newbie.Every system has it own feature that seperates it from all game consoles,what makes the built in hard drive feature so special?

Jumpman, testy aren\'t you!  Ok, so you say that putting in a HD is a stupid move on Microsoft\'s behalf.  Tell that to the developers.  Seems like there\'s gonna be many developers wanting to take advantage of the HD....can you say MGSX.

http://xbox.ign.com/news/18801.html

Microsoft has announced that there will be an 8MB memory card, which leads most people to believe that it won\'t likely be used simply for storing games. There are a lot of possibilities that the company has put forward, such as allowing gamers to download demos of upcoming games before they\'re released (and without having to subscribe to magazines just to grab demos), as well as allowing developers room to let games grow.

It could also mean that developers can use the extra hard disk space to smooth out load times, store textures, and speed up overall performance of games. Does this mean that you\'ll have to install games when you first load them into your console? No. Bungie has also hinted that Halo will utilize the hard drive for multiplayer, no doubt because faster loading times for information mean less lag.

IGN Xbox: A lot of people are just starting to get excited about the Xbox\'s hard drive. Any more patch comments flying around?

SB: The submission policy is that if you mention patches to your game in a concept approval, that we\'ll send a thermonuclear bomb to your address. The hard drive is not there to make it behave like a PC, the hard drive is there because it opens up so many opportunities for gameplay. We\'re getting some pretty incredible proposed uses for the hard drive, from sports announcing, spooling all the announcer sentences and segments off the hard drive so you can get CD quality announcements from the game in realtime. If you\'re running the announcement track off the DVD it takes a while to seek it, so the announcer might be a little bit late, it might not be able to say as much… but if it runs off hard drive it\'s instantaneous. At the same time you\'re spooling other stuff off so they can be operating in parallel. And just extraordinarily extravagantly large worlds, and some other really, really cool things that I can\'t talk about yet, but that will really shock people when they see them. People are not accustomed to seeing a really high-performance graphics system like this be able to move so much memory through it. When you walk around in an environment, the detail just never quits. It will be a real revelation to a lot of people.

http://xbox.ign.com/news/21004.html

More game for your buck:

So you\'ve finished Super Chiclet Panty Fighters 2, you\'ve unlocked all the secret outfits, and you\'ve even unlocked the special "epileptic" mode banned in 34 states. What\'s left? Usually, you\'d have to wait until the next installment of the series comes out, but with the hard drive and the broadband connection included with the Xbox, you\'ll be able to download a new character, get some new moves, or maybe even add a completely new level to the game. Sega has already done something similar with Sonic Adventure\'s VMU season download, a tiny file that added Christmas details, or party balloons to the main city in the game. While it didn\'t change the game in any significant way, it was still impressive to finally see a console game with changeable parts. Think of the massive space available on the Xbox hard drive, and the possibilities are endless. Hopefully we\'ll see a trend start with Xbox games where a hit title is followed up by new characters, levels and gimmicks a few months after the game\'s release.

Demos mean free fun:

If the Xbox had a 56k modem this might not be such an exciting prospect, but with the broadband connection in the Xbox, you\'ll be able to download games quickly. Why buy a magazine for the free demos when you could just download the free demos for… free? Maybe it\'s just because we\'re an Internet mag, but the prospect of skipping paper altogether sound very cool to us. What downloadable games also mean is that small puzzle games or free titles like Sega Swirl on the Dreamcast could be downloaded in a matter of minutes. It\'s a smart move for publishers as well, since PC demos have proven to be very, very successful in selling a game on store shelves. If console fans were finally able to get the same instant access to demos as PC gamers have, then it would change the way that games are bought on console systems forever.

Swap this:

You\'ve probably heard some talk about swap space on a hard drive, and what that will mean for Xbox titles. Swapping is a technique that allows a processor to manipulate data files that are larger than the system\'s actual main memory. What this means is that developers could use the hard drive to speed up load times, to get the hard drive working on active music, or maybe just drive a lot more polygons on screen during a specific scene. It\'s really up to the developers to decide how they want to use the hard drive when it comes to swap space, which is exactly how it should be. If you leave developers with the ability to get creative, you\'re always bound to get impressive results.

Music Downloads:

This serves two purposes -- MP3s, and in-game music. While the sound processor will be able to push some pretty heavy sound effects, and pull off some great dynamic sound tricks (just check out our audio demo feature for more information), a lot of developers favor using MP3s to play background tracks during a game. A hard drive gives you the room to uncompress audio files for speedier access during the game, something that PC developers frequently use, despite the CD format. Games like The Sims for the PC actually contain special MP3 tricks that you can tweak, such as the ability to change the music in the game\'s jukebox or radio by replacing your own MP3 files over its standard music files. A lot of PlayStation games allow you to switch out your own music CDs when you play a level, but why not go a step further and allow you to select from MP3s already on your hard drive? Even better, game companies could release special remixes of in-game music, or new tracks that you could download and place into your game, like a mix tape.

And let\'s not forget about MP3 playing, either. Sony has already mentioned that its hard drive will allow you to play digital music, and we can only assume that Microsoft will do the same in order to compete. If you\'re already going to have a combination DVD player/game system, why not turn it into a stereo as well? It only makes sense.


Fan Mail:

Hey, you always say you could do it better -- so why don’t you? If you can design your own skins and maps for Quake on the PC, why couldn\'t you do the same for a console? Sure, you\'d still have to design the skins on a PC, but you could send them to the developer, the developer would choose the best skins, and then you\'d be able to download them from their site using your broadband connection. Better yet, why couldn\'t the developer add some simple art tools that would let you make some cool changes to characters, then just upload them onto a site for others to grab?
Take for instance Tony Hawk 2. On the PlayStation, you\'ll be able to design courses and trade them with your friends… if you\'ve got a memory card. If you\'re lucky, you\'ll be able to trade them over the web using the Dex Drive. But with the Xbox, that same game (and keep in mind, Tony Hawk is almost definitely coming to the Xbox) could have an online feature with the top 20 custom courses available for download, all designed by fans from around the world. Talk about unlimited potential. Talk about more ways to slam your teeth into the pavement.

Or maybe you\'re an RPG fan -- why not create a game where you could truly customize your characters, and then trade them over the Internet with your friends? Pokemon has proven that people love being able to trade, so why not capitalize on that by turning your sharing circle into a worldwide community using the Internet, instead of just a playground?

A memory card really limits what you can save, which in turn limits what you can tweak in a game. With a hard drive you wouldn\'t have those limitations, which means that while the Dreamcast may allow you to trade save games and scores, the Xbox could have you swapping entire custom levels and graphics with friends from around the globe.


Room to Grow:

PC games are usually full of all sorts of compressed files, which is why you\'ve got to install them in the first place. Consoles don\'t have that luxury, and are forced to keep everything within the confines of the system\'s memory. The hard drive will allow developers to compress audio, textures, and level information, then load them onto the hard drive for faster access. That means much smaller load times, and much larger limits on what you can or can\'t do in a game. Games are more than just polygons and pixels, they\'re complex AI, pathing routines, processing nightmares and gameplay heaven, and when you\'re allowed some breathing room to let your game actually reside on a system instead of simply renting some memory space, you\'ll find that the results are much more impressive. Just check out the complexity of your average PC RPG, and you\'ll see just how massive things can get.


Episode One. And Two, and Three…:

With Sega\'s current track record, Phantasy Star Online with undoubtedly be an impressive first foray into the console online realm. But without a hard drive to keep large chunks of information on, the game will be limited in how it can change and unfold over the coming months. Xbox won\'t have such limitations however, and online gaming for consoles could truly become episodic. That could mean opening up a new area of a map every few months for an online world, or actually creating a game that releases in chapters over a long period of time. But either way, the effects on how console gamers play and purchase titles will never be the same.

You\'re welcome.

Jumpman, testy aren\'t you!

Gotta argue with someone.

Ok, so you say that putting in a HD is a stupid move on Microsoft\'s behalf.Tell that to the developers.

I never said anything like that.You were talking about it being "the only built in feature which will seperate X-Box from all systems".I simply stated it wasn\'t.It won\'t sell system like the built in DVD feature will(PS2),it won\'t allow you to play over the internet without buying a modem seperatly(DC).That\'s all I\'m saying.Its not that big of a deal.I think its cool feature actually...

Seems like there\'s gonna be many developers wanting to take advantage of the HD

Like whom exactly?I havent seen any saying anything about  developers taking advantage of it.

And the GS will be out by then.I guess developers will look to make use of that for PS2 games.

can you say MGSX.

Can you say Konami hasent officially confirmed MGSX for X-Box?

 

 

I don\'t know why ppl think I\'m a fanboy because I *gasp* defend a console when ppl are dissing it for the wrong reasons. If MS cancelled XB tomorrow, I wouldn\'t shed any tears, and if that judges order stands, and MS is forced to split up, who cares? And I have never paid for a MS product, not even windows . So everyone....well, chrono and @iReS (if you did, I can\'t remember), who call me a fanboy can bite me.

Every topic doesn\'t turn sour because of me and Chrono btw, only 1 has. The other was me and @iReS fighting mostly, and chrono came in. I am fine with chrono and I having differing opinions on some things, but when he says stupid things like many ppl not getting/knowing about dvd players before PS2, well sorry, but thats just stupid. PS2 has next to no impact on the dvd market. There\'s millions of dvd players that were sold before PS2 was even being covered every 5 minutes in the mainstream media. And i\'ve been consistant on my views. I think dvd playback is a minor thing on a console. It\'s all about games. Period. Not about hdd\'s, or dvd players.

The one feature that I think is important is online gaming. I think it will actually add something to games. If XB doesn\'t launch with a modem, that\'s a problem. I don\'t need a 4th DVD player, but every console should be online. And since every console has internet plans, it\'s all good. It just pisses me off when ppl like Chrono label me a fanboy when I state facts and my opinions. Its obvious he won\'t be buying as XB, and I will be. The end. That doesn\'t make me a fanboy.

Thanks Nu Gundam for the information.  I read all of the info and now I\'m even more excited about the XBox.  As I said before, the inclusion of the hard drive inside the XBox will bring it to another level.  Once again, I appreciate the info.  

I don\'t care what anyone says, I have 2 DVD players allready and Sony is trying to screw me into buying another one when I don\'t want it.