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« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2000, 11:50:23 PM »
*laughs boisterously to the most extreme extent of the word rude*

Oh naty, your hate for Microsoft is characteristic to that of NG\'s hate for Sony (in the old, old days). Dip your head in liquid nitrogen and then read this


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« Reply #31 on: December 31, 2000, 03:37:47 AM »
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I don\'t hate MS avvy. I hate the way they do things. I\'m half right man.. You DO buy the DVD drive. But u need a CHIP too use it for DVD. This chip won\'t be too big man. Its probley something small and cheap. Something that cost the least too sell. MS are SMART business people. They will put everything in it thats EXPENSIVE, Then keep a part out thats cheap.

Think of it this way.. They say the System  could be 250 right... But they say it would be around 300 with the DVD. Now i think its more like this.. They system with the DVD hardware is around 250. BUT the part they take out probley will be a 5-10 doller cheap part + the Remote and drivers add another 20. Thats 35 dollers.. The total cost for all of it is.. 285.. Thats 25 dollers cheaper then if you brought them all sperate. 25 USA dollers is 50 Aus dollers...



I donno.. Maybe i\'m just the type of person who thinks that if i have a DVD drive. I would want it too run movies too. Its kinda a waste having the hardware but only using it for some games.. I doubt all games will be on DVD.  Its like having a ps2 with a DTS system.. But u have too buy a part too use it. If you don\'t get the part it runs in stereo.

I\'m sorry if i\'m really pissin some xbox fans off. But i just think MS could have made it so you get DVD out of the box. Then made the remote a addon.  This is my opinion.. You guys don\'t have too like it.. I\'m sure some of you Hate it.. but MS did hype there system.. Now there taking DVD away. This is getting too piss me off..
first the World wide release.
Then the Specs change, for the lesser.
Now the DVD is a addon.

If anyone thinks MS hasn\'t used hype. I have 1 thing too say. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2000, 04:33:12 AM »
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Like i said.. Don\'t use a VCR man. The only problem is that your not hooking it up right.


I\'ll have to investigate (most of our problems are due to combinations tried after finding the SCART connection on our PAL PS2 provides a greenish look to movies like the Matrix).

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You still paying for the DVD parts in your XBOX. The only thing your not paying for is the drivers.
YOU ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR THE DVD. So now MS make you buy the DVD drivers probley for around 100 Australian.
This is how i see MS ripping people off. You have allready paid for the DVD, But you can\'t use it till you get the drivers. So Microsoft are making more money, by making it so you have too buy the drivers.


That\'s the point Soulgrind, you cannot say it\'s a rip off until you know the actually pricing structure. You say MS are making people pay for the drivers and you estimate 100$, I say the drivers are free and people merely pay the price of the remote!!!

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If you can\'t understand let me say it again..
You have already brought the DVD when u buy the xbox
Your paying for the DVD parts as u buy the xbox.


Yes, and if you\'re ONLY paying for the remote when you buy the expansion pack, then it\'s NOT A RIP OFF. We\'ll see, but until MS officially announce the pricing of the XBox and the pricing and availability of the DVD expansion pack, you cannot say it\'s a rip off.

On a side-note...

According to Sony\'s Phil Harrison in EDGE magazine\'s hardware guide 2000 "With the PS2 broadband adaptor and hard drive, it is going to completely reinvent the way people play games - the kind of content that you able to play, the business model in which you obtain it, the experience you get as a result".

As we all know, the future of Sony\'s plans for the PS2 is mostly focused around it\'s broadband capabilities. Therefore it\'s likely to become a must have facility at some stage in the console\'s future.

Given the importance Sony places on an add-on which the XBox provides out of the box, it would be interesting to see if it too will be considered a rip off by some when available next year!


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« Reply #33 on: December 31, 2000, 05:55:35 AM »
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Yes, and if you\'re ONLY paying for the remote when you buy the expansion pack, then it\'s NOT A RIP OFF. We\'ll see, but until MS officially announce the pricing of the XBox and the pricing and availability of the DVD expansion pack, you cannot say it\'s a rip off.

Listen too me. You CANNOT play Movies on the XBOX out of the box.. Your not just paying for the remote. You have too buy a chip and drivers too use the DVD. So you are paying for the rest of the dvd.

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Given the importance Sony places on an add-on which the XBox provides out of the box, it would be interesting to see if it too will be considered a rip off by some when available next year!

The HD and eithernet thing on ps2 is no where near as bad as the xbox.. DVD is a lot more known then Consoles on the net.. Its like this.. more people want DVD then Consoles HD and Eithernet cards. I mean, Not everyone can even USE the HD and Eithernet. not everyone has the net. DVD everyone can use. I\'ll probley get the PS2 hd and eithernet.. I\'m gonna get the Eithernet for the DC.

Point is. DVD is more of a standard then a HD for a console.
More people want DVD. So i believe sony is doing a good thing.. Not everyone wants a HD, Not everyone wants DVD. But more people want dvd then Harddrives for consoles.

I wanna see how well the PS2 Harddrives sell. It will be quite interesting too see how many people get the Xbox DVD add-on and the PS2 HD addon.
I believe the DVD add-on for Xbox will sell more.  Then the Ps2 HD.. Depending on the userbase.. % wise.

I also believe that MS are doing a good thing by having a HD with the system.  
DVD will bring in more general people then a HD for a system.

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« Reply #34 on: December 31, 2000, 09:22:43 AM »
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Listen too me. You CANNOT play Movies on the XBOX out of the box.. Your not just paying for the remote. You have too buy a chip and drivers too use the DVD. So you are paying for the rest of the dvd.


And listen to me...YOU AND I DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE EXPANSION PACK WILL BE!!! :rolleyes: Perhaps it will ONLY be the remote unit and software as mentioned in that link I provided. Or perhaps it will contain a chip for copy protection or for hardware decompression. Whatever it is..WE DO NOT KNOW AS YET.

And please make up your mind...first you say "They HAVE the HARDWARE ALREADY THERE. They\'re just gonna make it so you have too buy a CD too use it", and now you saying the hardware isn\'t all there because you\'ll need an extra chip!

Which is it???

As I\'ve said already, until you KNOW what the expansion pack will consist of and until you know it\'s cost, you cannot say what is or isn\'t being paid for, therefore you cannot claim it is a rip off.

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I believe the DVD add-on for Xbox will sell more.  Then the Ps2 HD.. Depending on the userbase.. % wise.

I also believe that MS are doing a good thing by having a HD with the system. DVD will bring in more general people then a HD for a system.


The point about the DVD vs HD issue here is that the HD is relevant to actual gameplay in a way that DVD playback isn\'t, and games are the main application for these consoles...correct? :).

Xbox game developers can produce games which will make full use of the HD since they know EVERY Xbox will have a HD. This is something PS2 developers cannot do (unless almost every PS2 owner purchases the add-on), therefore it is unlikely that we\'ll see PS2 games which will make good use of the HD add-on for many years.

In addition, it is safe to assume that the HD/Broadband add-on for the PS2 will cost much more than the DVD expansion pack for the XBox. Hence my point about some viewing this add-on as a rip off (expensive and underused ... perhaps)! :p

However this charge cannot be made against the PS2 UNTIL we know the add-on\'s price. And THAT\'s the point I\'m making about DVD on the XBox. EVERYTHING said in this thread is based upon speculation and assumptions ONLY. Until we have the actual FACTS, claims about MS ripping off gamers are nonsence.

Anyway...enough for now...HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! :D :D :D

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« Reply #35 on: December 31, 2000, 09:35:47 AM »
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And listen to me...YOU AND I DO NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE EXPANSION PACK WILL BE!!! Perhaps it will ONLY be the remote unit and software as mentioned in that link I provided. Or perhaps it will contain a chip for copy protection or for hardware decompression. Whatever it is..WE DO NOT KNOW AS YET.

And please make up your mind...first you say "They HAVE the HARDWARE ALREADY THERE. They\'re just gonna make it so you have too buy a CD too use it", and now you saying the hardware isn\'t all there because you\'ll need an extra chip!

Which is it???

As I\'ve said already, until you KNOW what the expansion pack will consist of and until you know it\'s cost, you cannot say what is or isn\'t being paid for, therefore you cannot claim it is a rip off.

http://www.msxbox.com/features_php/addon.php3

READ IT MAN. When u buy the XBOX u get ALL the DVD parts but 1. a chip.


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The point about the DVD vs HD issue here is that the HD is relevant to actual gameplay in a way that DVD playback isn\'t, and games is the key application for these consoles...correct? :).
You don\'t seem to understand man.. Without the INTERNET the HD is a waste. Developers could use it for what? without the net its as good as a BIG Mem card.


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Xbox game developers can produce games which will make full use of the HD since they know EVERY Xbox will have a HD. This is something PS2 developers cannot do (unless almost every PS2 owner purchases the add-on), therefore it is unlikely that we\'ll see PS2 games which will make good use of the HD add-on for many years.
I just wanna know what u think developers would have the games put on the HD.. I mean u shouldn\'t need ANY installion on the HD sense its a console. So therefore the HD is only good for downloading say, Demos MAYBE patches etc.

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In addition, it is safe to assume that the HD/Broadband add-on for the PS2 will cost much more than the DVD expansion pack for the XBox. Hence my point about some viewing this add-on as a rip off (expensive and underused...perhaps)!
How i\'ve heard it is.. They Ps2 HD/Broadbadn add-on will be a 2 in 1.. When u get the BROADBAND u get the HD with it. There is some deal for it, Can\'t remember the details probley.

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However this charge cannot be made against the PS2 UNTIL we know the add-on\'s price. And THAT\'s the point I\'m making about DVD on the XBox. EVERYTHING said in this thread is based upon speculation and assumptions ONLY. Until we have the actual FACTS, claims about MS ripping off gamers are nonsence.
Avvy posted facts man.. But you over looked it. I was talking about WHAT avvy posted..

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Anyway...enough for now...HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! :D :D :D


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« Reply #36 on: December 31, 2000, 10:10:04 AM »
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READ IT MAN. When u buy the XBOX u get ALL the DVD parts but 1. a chip.


A chip that they themselves DO NOT KNOW THE FUNCTION OF and can only speculate, just as I said.

That chip could be many things. It may offer copy protection, it may provide hardware decompression, or it may be nothing more than a RECEIVER for the remote control transmitter (isn\'t this how the PS2 remote control works?)! Again, we DO NOT know.

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I just wanna know what u think developers would have the games put on the HD.. I mean u shouldn\'t need ANY installion on the HD sense its a console. So therefore the HD is only good for downloading say, Demos MAYBE patches etc.


Yes like the PS2, no games will be installed onto the harddisk, neither will there be any patches. Game developers who have discussed the HD so far talk about viewing it as a massive memory card instead. This enables the storage of huge save games files which wasn\'t possible before. Huge game worlds which alter as the game progresses are possible. Also, a HD is SIGNIFICANTLY faster (and more robust) than a DVD drive, therefore data which would overwise be streamed from the DVD can be done MUCH better via the HD.

This all applies to the PS2 also, since that HD add-on is NOT just for storing downloaded data!

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How i\'ve heard it is.. They Ps2 HD/Broadbadn add-on will be a 2 in 1.. When u get the BROADBAND u get the HD with it. There is some deal for it, Can\'t remember the details probley.


Yes that is correct, which is why I\'ve been referring to it as the HD/Broadband add-on (I just can\'t think of an easier description :)). It is a two in one unit, but what the price will be is open to speculation (hence my arguement).

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Avvy posted facts man.. But you over looked it. I was talking about WHAT avvy posted..


I have overlooked nothing! Avvy\'s link is actually based upon the link I posted and supports the arguements I\'ve made so far. They too can ONLY speculate on the DVD add-on and they give arguements for and against.

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Anyway...enough for now...HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! :D :D :D
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BTW, I enjoyed the discussion SoulGrind, but now it\'s time to prepare for celebrations! Until next year...cya!


[Edited by Dr Yassam on 12-31-2000 at 01:46 PM]

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« Reply #37 on: December 31, 2000, 10:35:18 AM »
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Atleast MS gives us the option to buy the DVD software and remote control as an add-on then just throwing in some 3rd rate quality DVD player.  I don\'t know about Sony, but I think MS wishes for something other than the "Matrix" as its best selling game.  I\'m perfectly happy with MS\'s decision.  Let\'s see a console equipted with broad band support right out of the box, the beefy NV2A GPU which will be capable of unbelieveable graphics and the inclusion of a harddrive in every XBox will all mean greatness. Not having 3rd rate DVD playback a rip off?  NAW, just a BLESSING IN DISGUISE!!!
You call this a BLESSING.. HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA man thats rich. I remember not that long ago i heard Xbox fans saying.. "ohh wicked xbox has dvd". Now its. Ohh it doesn\'t really matter.
Man liston. I\'m in Australia. When the DVD drivers and control come out for the xbox. They will probley cost around 100 Australian dollers. This is for a DVD remote and DRIVERS... Tell me, Why can\'t they give u the system ALREADY with the Drivers like ps2. Then just make the REMOTE the addon too buy. I\'ll tell u why. This way they can jack up the price more. Its simple man. They have NOTHING too gain from not doing this. Otherwise they would be giving you the drivers with it. It is a way MS is gonna take more money out of people.  [/B]

SoulGrind mate, who cares about the DVD playback.  I don\'t want an inferior DVD playback in my machine even if MS puts it in for free.  I already have a DVD and only care for using XBox for the games.  Again, I don\'t think MS wants "Matix" as its all time best selling software (which is currently the case in Japan for PS2).  I say put more goodies in the XBox like a slammin NV2A GPU, HD and out of the box broadband capabilities.  I want my games to shine on the XBox.  I can use my actual DVD player to watch DVDs, however if I DECIDE to purchase the software for movie playback capabilites, then that\'s my option, isn\'t it!

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« Reply #38 on: December 31, 2000, 07:40:54 PM »
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SoulGrind mate, who cares about the DVD playback.
Quite alot of people really. Some people were gonna leave the ps2 and wait for the xbox.. They were thinking, "
Xbox has the games ps2 has.. But it also has a dvd, So i don\'t miss out on it."

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I don\'t want an inferior DVD playback in my machine even if MS puts it in for free.  I already have a DVD and only care for using XBox for the games.  Again, I don\'t think MS wants "Matix" as its all time best selling software (which is currently the case in Japan for PS2).
The ps2 DVD is quite good really. My brother has a Sony DVD player and we tested them side by side. They looked pretty much the same. By the way!!. How can u say the MATRIX is being sold mostly for PS2. I mean, I\'m sure alot of other people do HAVE normal DVD players. Couldn\'t they be buying it for them?.  
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I say put more goodies in the XBox like a slammin NV2A GPU, HD and out of the box broadband capabilities.  I want my games to shine on the XBox.
This is my point. All the EXTRAS, HD/Eithernet etc. YOU NEED THE INTERNET. Without the net, The Eithernet won\'t get used. The HD probley will become a BIG MEM CARD.  

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I can use my actual DVD player to watch DVDs, however if I DECIDE to purchase the software for movie playback capabilites, then that\'s my option, isn\'t it! [
It sure is man. I\'m not debating if its a choice or not. I\'m debating is it a RIP off.

More people will use DVD then Broadband. I\'m betting that the XBOX DVD will probley sell better then the PS2 HD/Eithernet.
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Re: OK - Just one more...
« Reply #39 on: December 31, 2000, 07:47:15 PM »
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A chip that they themselves DO NOT KNOW THE FUNCTION OF and can only speculate, just as I said.

That chip could be many things. It may offer copy protection, it may provide hardware decompression, or it may be nothing more than a RECEIVER for the remote control transmitter (isn\'t this how the PS2 remote control works?)! Again, we DO NOT know.
The ps2 DOESN\'T NEED A DVD REMOTE too work.
You can use the normal DS2 control for it. I\'m guessing the part will be cheap. Lets find out if i\'m right when it comes out.

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Yes like the PS2, no games will be installed onto the harddisk, neither will there be any patches. Game developers who have discussed the HD so far talk about viewing it as a massive memory card instead. This enables the storage of huge save games files which wasn\'t possible before. Huge game worlds which alter as the game progresses are possible. Also, a HD is SIGNIFICANTLY faster (and more robust) than a DVD drive, therefore data which would overwise be streamed from the DVD can be done MUCH better via the HD.
So your saying u will have too install BIG games on the HD first?. That doesn\'t sound like a console man. So i doubt that will happen. If it does, Then the Xbox would be becoming more like a pc then a console.  Like i said. The PS2,XBOX Harddrives/eithernet will be useless unless u have the INTERNET.


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Yes that is correct, which is why I\'ve been referring to it as the HD/Broadband add-on (I just can\'t think of an easier description :)). It is a two in one unit, but what the price will be is open to speculation (hence my arguement).
Same with the Xbox DVD chip and REMOTE ohh and drivers.. Hey 3 in 1.

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I have overlooked nothing! Avvy\'s link is actually based upon the link I posted and supports the arguements I\'ve made so far. They too can ONLY speculate on the DVD add-on and they give arguements for and against.
Yet u never said anything about the chip.. You kept stating that we don\'t know at ALL what it is. hmmm.


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BTW, I enjoyed the discussion SoulGrind, but now it\'s time to prepare for celebrations! Until next year...cya!


[Edited by Dr Yassam on 12-31-2000 at 01:46 PM]


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Re: Re: OK - Just one more...
« Reply #40 on: January 01, 2001, 01:27:14 PM »
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The ps2 DOESN\'T NEED A DVD REMOTE too work.
You can use the normal DS2 control for it. I\'m guessing the part will be cheap. Lets find out if i\'m right when it comes out.


Agreed, let\'s wait until we know exactly what it is before calling it a rip off! Just like Sony\'s PS2 add-on, I\'m sure MS will keep the price as low as possible.

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Yes like the PS2, no games will be installed onto the harddisk, neither will there be any patches...
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So your saying u will have too install BIG games on the HD first?. That doesn\'t sound like a console man. So i doubt that will happen. If it does, Then the Xbox would be becoming more like a pc then a console.  Like i said. The PS2,XBOX Harddrives/eithernet will be useless unless u have the INTERNET.[/B]


NO Soulgrind, games DO NOT install on the HD. The HD is there to store data that can be (and will be) used in games, BUT NOT PERMANENTLY. Except for save games and perhaps some user data in future, most of the HD is wiped everytime you use the console!!!.

As I\'ve said, you can think of part of it as a memory card. However, and perhaps more importantly, the HD is a fast and convient way to expand beyond the limits of main memory. The HD is significantly faster than DVD AND is read/write, therefore it can be used to expand the game world in a way that DVD cannot achieve.

Most accept the possiblities of streaming data from the DVD on the PS2, yet it\'s strange those same people have difficulties understanding that this can be achieved much faster and with greater flexibility via a HD.

I doubt the HD of the PS2 will be there merely to hold content downloaded from the internet, and I doubt you can find a single article which believes the HD\'s of the PS2 and XBox will be used for nothing more.

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I have overlooked nothing! Avvy\'s link is actually based upon the link I posted and supports the arguements I\'ve made so far....
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Yet u never said anything about the chip.. You kept stating that we don\'t know at ALL what it is. hmmm.


Because the arguement was NOT about the components of the DVD add-on (which we only discussed LATER), but about your claims that it was a rip-off.

My whole arguement is that without knowing the cost of the XBox and DVD expansion pack, you cannot call it a rip-off. The actual composition of the expansion pack was irrelevent to that arguement.

We do not know what the chip is. If it offers DVD decompression, then there are arguements for and against, but I don\'t see the point of discussing the expansion pack in such detail WHEN WE DO NOT HAVE THE EXACT DETAILS AS YET. :rolleyes:

When we know the costs, and if I thought it was too expensive, then I may be in agreement with you. But that\'s then and ONLY then. For now, we can only speculate.

As you said, let\'s wait and see.

Over to you... :)

[Edited by Dr Yassam on 01-01-2001 at 04:30 PM]

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Re: Re: Re: OK - Just one more...
« Reply #41 on: January 02, 2001, 10:28:57 PM »
News just in... Xbox will have INBUILT DVD. There isn\'t any need for a chip. BUT HAHAH get this.. You STILL have too buy a REMOTE.. RIPP OFF ANYONE.. Microsoft what are you DOING.

http://www.msxbox.com/php/full_post.php3?id=468

read it here.


Guess what this means.. People that BUY the xbox will be PAYING FOR THE DVD Hardware movie player parts.. Decoder etc.  

Think of it like this.. Imagine Coca Cola.. Selling Coke cans. But u can\'t drink them.. Without a can opener.
Catch is.. Only Coca Cola sell this special can opener.




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« Reply #42 on: January 02, 2001, 10:57:54 PM »
I think its amusing. They can\'t decide if it should have DVD playback or not.

Of course, issues of EGM are printed ahead of time. And the desicion could of came after the issue had already gone to press. But, I truly doubt that.

Now Xbox fans will have to pay for a remote, so they can just use their friggin\' DVD player. Okay, why could MS not just let you use the controller? Because, then they couldn\'t milk you for more money..

I\'m sure someone will come up with some big excuse on MS making it where it requires a special remote. But the fact is, there is no logical reason, other then they want more money.


So, you have to pay to use a feature built in the system..Gee! That is extremely nice of them...Looks like you will be paying for that DVD playback after all, eh?

I have decided already, I won\'t buy the remote. I have no need for it.


So, there went that "blessing" MS gave everyone, didn\'t it? You know, the whole it was smart of MS not giving you a "3rd rate DVD playback"?

So, now instead of paying for a cartidge add-on for DVD playback. You get to pay for the DVD remote, cause it won\'t function without it.

Damn..Thats some pretty smooth buisness tactics.:D

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Re: Re: Re: Re: OK - Just one more...
« Reply #43 on: January 03, 2001, 03:13:23 AM »
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News just in... Xbox will have INBUILT DVD. There isn\'t any need for a chip. BUT HAHAH get this.. You STILL have too buy a REMOTE.. RIPP OFF ANYONE.. Microsoft what are you DOING.
http://www.msxbox.com/php/full_post.php3?id=468


Gamers are not paying extra for DVD movie player parts because if this report is correct, then MPEG decompression is probably one of many functions handled by nVidia\'s media processor within the XBox (i.e it is ALSO a decoder!). Hence the cost of the XBox would be the same with or without DVD playback!

Therefore the whole arguement has NOTHING to do with the XBox hardware, but with whether or not gamers should be forced to purchase a remote control unit if then want to watch DVD movies.

Personally, I don\'t see any problem with this, since I\'m sure most PS2 gamers who want to regularly watch DVD movies have (or plan to) buy a remote unit for their console.

Therefore having to purchase of a cheap remote control to watch DVD\'s on the XBox is not a rip off (especially since we do not know the costs of either the XBox or the remote control!).

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OH MY GOD!!XBOX IS GONNA DIE!!
« Reply #44 on: January 03, 2001, 03:56:23 AM »
I regularly watch DVD movies on my PS2 and I have two comments:

1) The PS2 playback is excellent IMO. I haven\'t had any problems with it whatsoever.

2) I don\'t want to purchase a remote for DVD playback. I\'m too cheap.
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAPETIME!
(thanks Chizzy!)

 

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