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The FACT IS Microc@#ks use Hype.. They hyped the World wide release.. Say BYE BYE too that. They hyped the system specs.. Like sony.. Say bye bye too that.
I wonder how much else they have hyped. The MS Powerhouse XBOX system is a HYPE machine as much as ps2 was.

I donno how well xbox will do. But if MS keep breaking there promises.. There gonna lose more fans, From whatever they did have.

But hey the xbox has a hard drive. So we can download powerstrip and overclock the Nvidia GPU and achieve much higher speeds and polygon counts

Originally posted by §ôµÏG®ïñD
The FACT IS Microc@#ks use Hype.. They hyped the World wide release.. Say BYE BYE too that. They hyped the system specs.. Like sony.. Say bye bye too that.
I wonder how much else they have hyped. The MS Powerhouse XBOX system is a HYPE machine as much as ps2 was.

I donno how well xbox will do. But if MS keep breaking there promises.. There gonna lose more fans, From whatever they did have.

  If you are going to be an administrator you had better know a few facts first before spouting off crap....

  First of all, if you know anything about silicon chips you would know that the more transistors the chip has the more heat it lets off.  Heat is a bad thing when it comes to chips.  There are layers of transistors that are messured by "Microns".   The Xbox GPU is manufactured by TMSC which has had trouble with lower microns such as .13 or .15 micron, so Nvidia had to raise the micron process which creates heat when means the chip can\'t be clocked as high and instead of producing 150 million can only do 125 million, now if they were able to get a lower Micron level, they could clock it at what it was supposed to be clocked at 300 Mhz instead of the 250 Mhz its now clocked at.  The amount of polygons is in relation to how many MHZ the chip can be clocked at.  Get it????  There is no hype... Just reality....

  The European released was delayed so Microsoft doesn\'t do a Sony.  Not everyone has a PS2 even after Christmas and they won\'t for a very long time, this is a public relations nightmare and Microsoft is trying to avoid something like this from happening, they want massive amounts of xbox\'s to be available on store shelves....

  The Xbox can do around 100 Million polygons with static lighting and no curved surfaces.  The raw (ala PS2) polygon rate is now 250 Million polygons instead of 300 Million that they were shooting for.

  Once again people, know a few facts before making really ignorant comments.  Its really tiring for people just to spout off without knowing much of anything, at least the xbox can do 100 million and its not like the bogus figures from Sony...

  If Sony PS2 can do 66 million, then the xbox can do 250 million.

  I mean if you like the PS2 fine, but please don\'t act like the Administrator. Microc***s, come on, lets be a little more mature.  I expect better from someone who is an Administrator of the BBS.

 

Nice post Bill !

Any release date on Service Pack 2 for Windows 2000.

Dwarrior, SoulGrind is still right.

MS has been hyping their machine (every company does, including Sony).

First the Xbox GPU was running at 300 MHz. Now it\'s \'only\' 250. But still, that\'s an example of HYPE not living up to the harsh reality.

Then it was full DVD playback. Now you have to buy a CD to get full use of it, so that\'s kind of like an addon. That was another \'lie\' / hype.

Oh, and let\'s not forget about their WORLDWIDE launch. I remember some time ago where MS hyped that aspect of the Xbox - launching worldwide, which no console (AFAIK) has done before. HYPE again. Suddenly Europe (potentionally their biggest market) has to wait. There goes that worldwide launch.

Of course they had their reasons for all this - reality, money costs, production problems or whatnot. But that doesn\'t change the fact that MS hypes as much as the next company.

But I guess you won\'t admit that, Dwarrior?

[Edited by Samwise on 12-27-2000 at 06:12 AM]

Dwarrior=DOCWIZ

you posted the same crap at NN moron.

Originally posted by DWarrior
Once again people, know a few facts before making really ignorant comments. Its really tiring for people just to spout off without knowing much of anything, at least the xbox can do 100 million and its not like the bogus figures from Sony...

You let your half decent post go right down the drain by making this stupid comment. Let me think, what can Playstation 2 (apparently) do with one light source and textured polygons...that\'s right 33 Million PPS and what\'s the harsh reality in an actual game...about a tenth of that at 3 Million. Microsoft is no different, they give off Numbers like 125 Million PPS with a light source and textured polygons and guess what a tenth of that is...about 12 and a half Million PPS. It is also no coincidence those figures are right around what Michael Abrash gave in his article a couple of months ago.

Microsoft ballooned numbers are just fu[/i]cked up as Sony\'s and the poly drop from theorectical to practical will be very similar, only a raving Microsoft supporting madman could even suggest otherwise.

well....I was told that if you need to say something but someone has already said it better then you should quote them....so here it is:

Trintius quote:
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Originally posted by DWarrior
Once again people, know a few facts before making really ignorant comments. Its really tiring for people just to spout off without knowing much of anything, at least the xbox can do 100 million and its not like the bogus figures from Sony...
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You let your half decent post go right down the drain by making this stupid comment. Let me think, what can Playstation 2 (apparently) do with one light source and textured polygons...that\'s right 33 Million PPS and what\'s the harsh reality in an actual game...about a tenth of that at 3 Million. Microsoft is no different, they give off Numbers like 125 Million PPS with a light source and textured polygons and guess what a tenth of that is...about 12 and a half Million PPS. It is also no coincidence those figures are right around what Michael Abrash gave in his article a couple of months ago.

Microsoft ballooned numbers are just ****ed up as Sony\'s and the poly drop from theorectical to practical will be very similar, only a raving Microsoft supporting madman could even suggest otherwise.


I agree 100%

this is what DOCWIZ(A.K.A Dwarrior) posted at the NN forums(in the xbox forum)

For those of you who don\'t understand Micron is the mesurement of the thinness of the transistors, the thinner the transistors the less heat will be released and thus you can clock at a higher Mhz setting. It takes new and special equipment to get to lower Micron levels and it becomes more difficult with every new low. The Xgpu was supposed to be either on a .15 or a .13 Micron (which one, I don\'t know). TMSC creates the chips for Nvidia thus the problem. So if TMSC can\'t reach the new level of micron in time then Nvidia has to underclock the chip from 300 Mhz to 250 Mhz to make it run cooler instead of hotter and in a console this makes all the difference in the world. When you underclock it, the chip can\'t do as many polygons, so 150 Million, now becomes 125 million. That is still pretty damn good, so instead of 100+ million you are talking about 100 Million still (with static lighting and no curved surfaces). 100 Million with Multiple textures, shading, anti-aliased and fully sustained.

wow. 100million MULITTEXTURE, shaded, anti-alised and fully sustained polygons?

not even MS has even meantion the word MULTITEXTURE around any of it\'s polygon numbers, in-fact, they never meantion any effects.

wow, I wish I could say I cared about that but to tell you the truth I am a gamer and true hardcore gamers care about the GAMES not the textures

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Dwarrior.. You can crap on all u like.. Its the truth.. MS are USING HYPE.. Only a FANBOY would think otherwise.

Originally posted by Dwarrior
Microc***s, come on, lets be a little more mature.  I expect better from someone who is an Administrator of the BBS.

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Yes yes.. I was abit immature. I ment too say MicroHype hype the Hype Box like Sony did too ps2. Sorry my mistake.

Damn, If I sound this stupid when fighting, count me out from now on.....

Seriously, XB will end up fine unless MS ****s up/lies MORE than Sony is/has. And no, so far they haven\'t. I\'ll get it, cause I get em all. And I\'m not rich either. Anyone....and I mean ANYONE (in the US anyways) can get every system. When I got N64, NGPC, DC, I was legally BELOW the federal, and state poverty line (of income). I don\'t wanna hear some lazy ass kids saying \'we can\'t afford it!\'. I was a kid! (well, when I got 64 anyways.) I worked my ass off, and got em. And managed to help pay bills.

I don’t believe any of this M$ crap!

Its true the Port-box is hyped..

I wont believe anything until I see it with my own eyes!

/FASTson

I\'m starting to become a casual gamer because I do not understand what the heck you guys are talking about when mentioning specs, power, graphics chips, I mean does it really matter.

Only way MS wins, is if Sony makes a mistake, point blank.  Right now Sony is moving in the right direction by already planning a relaunch of the PS2 to keep the hype going about there system.

Many casual gamers don\'t care about a dumb ass hardrive they probaly want even use it.  Sony needs to less concentrate on the hardrive and focus on what casual gamers want(These are the people who make up the market anyway)

I\'m starting to become a casual gamer because I do not understand what the heck you guys are talking about when mentioning specs, power, graphics chips, I mean does it really matter.

No.  Not a damn bit.  Specs, polys, mip-maps, bip-baps, and shnook-crooks don\'t matter one damn bit.  They are worthless.  The only thing that matters is the developers and their ability to command the machine.  The gap between their goals and the machines limitations.  That\'s all that matters.  And to be honest, what the hell good is 150 gajillion polygons when your machine can only process AI and collision detection for 40 characters?

Folks, we\'re getting into overkill now.  As long as these jackass console makers keep hyping up the specs and poly counts, gamers are gonna expect realism.  Developers are going to spend more time with visuals than with gameplay itself to live up to those expectations.  The leap between 32bit and this gen here is significantly larger than that of 8 to 16bit.  Developers never mastered the 32bit realm of gameplay.  3D platformers still suck.  People are more concerned about poly counts than gameplay.  We\'re recycling old ideas that worked on 32bit machines, and not innovating new ideas for 128bit machines because we\'re too damn busy trying to live up to the polygon/frame rate expectations of consumers buying into hype.  I want developers to hit some kind of ceiling so that they have to stress gameplay to get an advantage over their peers.

And why in the hell do we tolerate 2D in our other forms of entertainment (movies, television shows, etc), but DISCOURAGE it in our videogames?  Why does it HAVE to die?