X-Box X-ageratted?

I\'ll eat an elephant if the Xbox comes even near 100mpps in-game during gameplay.

Do you guys know if the Xbox and Gamecube will be able to do really good 2D graphics? I know the PS2 can do it just fine, Sony even bragged about its limitless sprite drawing capabilities when the PS2 was early in development.

Here\'s a question:  How are some of you defining "hype"?  So far Microsoft have been relatively quiet and only release what they are aiming for.  I have seen no aggressive ad campaigns, no huge Xbox "blow outs" at the various conventions, no PR folk stumbling over themselves to explain why the drop in specs only helped solidify the "Revolution", etc.  The hype start very soon but I have not seen any yet.  Releasing specs and announcing plans for the future simply to not qualify as "Hype" to me.

The only things closley resembling hype I have seen are from developers and the Xbox\'s fanbase.

I will give you a company that didn\'t hype their console, actually two that underhyped their consoles.

Sega for their Dreamcast and the upcoming GameCube from Nintendo. Funny, these are both from companies who both used to have a little trouble with ballooning.


Eric Jacob

I define hype as saying:

"This machine will deliver 300 million polygons per second!" - when it will not.

"This machine will have DVD playback right out of the box!" - when it will not.

"This machine will be released worldwide simultaneously!" - when it will not.

"This machine will have a 300 MHz GPU!" - when it will not.

But every company hypes. Microsoft included. A lot of people figured that PS2 would be able to render 66 million polygons in a real game - just like a lot of people were pissing their pants about the Xbox\' 300 million polygons per second. Well, at some point you become immune.

I actually got to congratulate Nintendo on doing a fine job of not blowing GameCube out of proportions. They\'re not saying "Our console will do 50 million polygons per second!". No, they\'re rather doing the opposite - saying 6-12 million polygons per second. I suspect that to a VERY \'unhyped\' number. The GC has whole a lot of potential IMO.

("While I agree with you for yhe most part, you shouldn\'t say "They\'re headed by a multi-billionare with a mediocre understanding of the Operating System", you do realise Bill Gates has been a massive influence on the direction computing has taken over the past few decades, hell the man helped design the entire BASIC computer programming language in the 70\'s")


HUH? did i miss something? he did what?
the man is a con-artist, rip-off looser,
although very rich  

helped design the Basic language? yeah right.
he ripped it off, and added his own spin on it.
gee, that takes all kinds of smarts.

Hype can be a good thing but to much hype is bad because people will almost certain to be completely disappointed.Crap like 66 or 300 mpps shouldn\'t even be stated in the public spec sheets.When someone sees the Xbox or PS2 spec sheet and see it says it can perform 66 or 300 mpps that will mislead people to believe that the PS2 and Xbox can actually do that in there games.I think only developers should know the theorectical maxium poly count for the consoles.People don\'t need to know about a number that they will never see.

Okay  I do not agree that early over shots that are changed before the system is even shown (the DVD was another change but hardly hype) are hype but the 300mill certainly is.

i belive sony has lived up to it\'s hype LONG ago, when they showed the MGS2 game footage, GT3 graphics, world rally championship, the bouncer....all of these games destroy anything on the DC and will look good even when xbox and GC come...

what do the nintendo and MS fanboys expect? do they expect their consoles to make MGS2 and GT3 to look like ****? because that is what it seems like to me.

the PS2 will have games that look better than GC and xbox games, if you don\'t think so then get your head of your ass and smell reality.

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I\'m not going to get into the whole MS reputation topic, that we always get in, when we speak of the XBox.

As for the specifications being lowered. In my opinion, MS always knew they couldn\'t live up to the ones previous set. It was a simple way to draw some attenion to the Xbox. They can\'t draw attenion by going "Its slightly more powerful then the PS2!". Now can they? No. So, what do you do in that situation? You lie, in typical buisness fashion. Now they\'ve done that, so they have one last resort to pull the Xbox out of the gutter. That is games. Come E3, they better have a very impressive booth, otherwise the Xbox will be stillborn. With less then a year to the tenative release , they still haven\'t shown us the actual console or the controller. Gamers (casual and \'hardcore) need to see these things, including REAL TIME game footage.

On the note of REAL TIME game footage.. MS doesn\'t have a franchise to fall back on, like Nintendo does. Nintendo can show up at E3 with demos of Mario and Zelda, and that will attract a HUGE booth and excitment in itself. MS doesn\'t have this option. So, they better have some compelling games that look quite a bit better then what the current PS2 market will be. Otherwise, gamers aren\'t going to find a reason to buy the system.

I don\'t care how much money and hype MS put out. They cannot sell a noteable amount of Xbox on those two factors alone. Just like they can\'t sell a noteable amount of Xboxs on ports of PS2 games (i.e, Silent Hill 2 MGS2).

Thats why this board is good. There is respect for Sega and Nintendo, but no respect for Microsoft
But if the Xbox steals all sony\'s exclusives, I\'ll get one. Other forums aren\'t like this one. MSXBOX forums are the WORSE. Those fanboys are so arrogant.

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Originally posted by Animal Mother
Thats why this board is good. There is respect for Sega and Nintendo, but no respect for Microsoft
But if the Xbox steals all sony\'s exclusives, I\'ll get one. Other forums aren\'t like this one. MSXBOX forums are the WORSE. Those fanboys are so arrogant.

I\'m sure they say the same about us.

And some of us respect MS. I don\'t respect them. But, I don\'t disrepect them. I\'m netrual, when it comes to them.

MS has been full of it from the beginning. Only a fool would have believed that X-box is as powerful as they numbers put out.

I do think it will be very powerful, but come on!
You\'ll be stupid if you believe that it will be almost 10 times as powerful as maybe Nintendo\'s system(100 Mp/sec VS 6-12 Mp/sec)...as system launching around the same time. I know technology doubles like every 18 months, not 18 days.

Anyhow, any fool can tell you MS is full of it. They are new to the market and they will do anything to make their system look waaaaayyyyy more advanced than anything.

Maybe it is more powerful, but not significant enough to force consumers to stick with it, because it\'s power would be a major advantage.

Still, they are many people out there believing those outrageous specs.

First it was 300 Mp/sec, then 150 Mp/sec, now 125 Mp/sec. It\'s 125 Mp/sec, yet stil, it only drop to 100 Mp/with all effects? Bull****. Who the hell was it that said so anyway? They need a reality check. Fast!

I\'ll drop dead if it\'s games push 20 Mp/sec with only half the textures and lights at E3!

Power can be a disadvantage. Sony made the Playstation to dethrone the Super Nintendo, and it also killed the N64 (market share, and developer wise, but not fanboy wise!)

ooooo, This Bill Gates kid looks really scary. Because he is smart and a good businessman is it impossible to think that he designed something? Although I have to admit he does look like the type to steal code and add his own spin to it. Just look at him, I\'m scared already.



But Seriously, Gates is a smart guy and a good ass businessman. Final.

BTW, This is not the same Nplayer that I remember. I am officially declaring a conspiracy. Something is not right. There is no way someone can go from an ardent Nintendo Fanboy to the heart of the Sony camp. Things like that just don\'t happen in real life. Something is up.