Why I think it all comes down to Gamecube and PS2...

Ok.I know that lots of us here actually know stuff about game systems and games and we are actually smart about buying our systems(some of us anyways...)
The point is...Who buys this stuff for us and when.
Most people probably buy systems as gifts for their loved ones.ex.Christmas,New Year,Hanukah birthday whatever.
However the prime time for console sales is summer(no school for kids,some get part time jobs and buy a console)
and winter holidays with christmas and all.

Christmas: all of us love it and want good presents NOT black socks.So you beg your parents(or you save up)to buy yourself a fun gift that will give you joy and happiness.
A CONSOlE!
In the parents case:imgaine this ok.Your parents walk into the store and they see a $300 PS2,a $200 GC,a $149 DC and an $500 xbox(my estimation of the price for xbox).
They will ask the clerk about the consoles.Most likely the question will be what is the difference between the consoles.
Dreamcast-this is a system thats been out for a long time now.it has some minor bugs but also internet access for gaming.some solid titles too.

Gamecube-this is a new console with your favorite mario mascot and lots of fun games you will enjoy.comes in lots of FUN colors too.GBA compatible.

PS2-the best deal out of the four.lots of great games,great graphics and a cd and dvd player out of the box.Emotion Engine.

Xbox-american system.New,expensive,not tooo many great titles and no dvd or anything like that.However it is said to be the "most powerful" out of the four.

Why will people choose PS2 and GC?
GC-it\'s new,it\'s cool,smooth,the games seem suitable for children(half the planet practically ARE children)ESRB friendly,mario,mario and should I mention MARIO?
No dvd but who cares about that?We are PARENTS and we are buying this system for our 11 year old.$200 doesn\'t seem too steep.LEt\'s take it.

PS2-One year older than gamecube.Lots of great games by the time it is 2002.DVD,CD,$300!MGS2!!GT3!!!Oni,Zoe and lots of others.Our teenager will love it.

Prove me wrong.

My point is parents don\'t know about power and MHz and ****.
And if you don\'t live with your parents(like me  
OR you earn your money you would want to choose wisely.
the 13 and up audience is most likely to go for the PS2.
more adult titles than the gamecube,better value.Even if the system fails I will have a dvd and cd player left 4 me.

the 12 and under audience won\'t choose probably.Instead,their loving mommies and daddies will.
and they still think their baby is not grown enough to be playing games with scary monsters in them.

tHink about It

Accually the GameCube is going to be more broad range for all titles with PD2, Thornado, RSII, Mario, Pkmn, Zelda, SSB3, MK3(Probaly) I see a broad range in those titles (and I know a 10 year old who owns PD) For the

older gen: PD2, Thornado, Zelda
Medium: RSII, Zelda SSB3, MK3, Mario
Youg: Mario, Pkmn, MK3, SSB3

I don\'t really know of anyone who buys more than 5 launch titles at launch and these are just a few of the many that will come with it. I don\'t know where you are getting this kiddy image except from the past. If you don\'t want purple or pink get a Silver/Platnium (like I am getting).

NOW IF PEOPLE HAVEN"T STRESSED THIS ENOUGH

PANASONIC IS MAKING A VERSION OF GAMECUBE WITH A DVD PLAYER

11 and up audience will go for any of the consoles right now but the 10 and under will probally all go for Nintendo. If you look at it Pokemon wasn\'t for little kids on Nintendo it was for everyone. What made it that was the cards and the TV shows/movies and merchandise. If you see it that way Nintendo is more broad than it is short so don\'t go checking your consoles before there\' re launched

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Originally posted by OHMYGOD
Ok.I know that lots of us here actually know stuff about game systems and games and we are actually smart about buying our systems(some of us anyways...)
The point is...Who buys this stuff for us and when.
Most people probably buy systems as gifts for their loved ones.ex.Christmas,New Year,Hanukah birthday whatever.
However the prime time for console sales is summer(no school for kids,some get part time jobs and buy a console)
and winter holidays with christmas and all.

Christmas: all of us love it and want good presents NOT black socks.So you beg your parents(or you save up)to buy yourself a fun gift that will give you joy and happiness.
A CONSOlE!
In the parents case:imgaine this ok.Your parents walk into the store and they see a $300 PS2,a $200 GC,a $149 DC and an $500 xbox(my estimation of the price for xbox).
They will ask the clerk about the consoles.Most likely the question will be what is the difference between the consoles.
Dreamcast-this is a system thats been out for a long time now.it has some minor bugs but also internet access for gaming.some solid titles too.

Gamecube-this is a new console with your favorite mario mascot and lots of fun games you will enjoy.comes in lots of FUN colors too.GBA compatible.

PS2-the best deal out of the four.lots of great games,great graphics and a cd and dvd player out of the box.Emotion Engine.

Xbox-american system.New,expensive,not tooo many great titles and no dvd or anything like that.However it is said to be the "most powerful" out of the four.

Why will people choose PS2 and GC?
GC-it\'s new,it\'s cool,smooth,the games seem suitable for children(half the planet practically ARE children)ESRB friendly,mario,mario and should I mention MARIO?
No dvd but who cares about that?We are PARENTS and we are buying this system for our 11 year old.$200 doesn\'t seem too steep.LEt\'s take it.

PS2-One year older than gamecube.Lots of great games by the time it is 2002.DVD,CD,$300!MGS2!!GT3!!!Oni,Zoe and lots of others.Our teenager will love it.

Prove me wrong.



 

Your wrong on the Xbox. You assume its "expensive". We don\'t know their full title launch list either. It does have DVD it just requires a remote to activate it or whatever MS decides. MS says the price would be competive. This is around $300 dollars. MS has also stated they realize anything above this price, isn\'t a great idea. You can expect it to launch around $300. Of course, there is others who say it will be around $500, but this is doubtful. Either way, it is up for debate until MS makes an offical annoucnement on the price, more and likely at E3.

You also say one of the negative factors is no DVD playback for the Xbox. Yet you admit its not a factor really, when you say who cares if the GC has DVD. And it will probally be around the common Nintendo price $250. That is only a $50 dollar price difference if the Xbox does launch at $300. The  big advantage that the GC has, is if it launches before the Xbox. Quite a few people will just purchase the first one out the door.

Nintendo is also known for delaying their systems. The GC could very well suffer the same fate. Anyone who remembers the N64 fiasco remembers that it made the PS2 launch look like heaven. It suffered from lack of titles (only 2 at launch!) / constant delays before it was released / and other problems. The Super NES was also plagued with a sub-par launch. I remember reading about the retailers being disgruntled. Its been so long, I can\'t remember exactly why they was. But it enforces the idea, that the GC launch could suffer also.

You\'ll notice I didn\'t debate the PS2. That is because Sony has enough developer support and the teenage / mature audience already sold to the system. They have easy sailing commercial wise for the PS2. Now, they just have to make sure it lives up to the PSone legends.

And AEB quite a few people buy more at launch then 5 titles. Alot here bought more then 5 games. I personally bought 7 launch games for the PS2. I bought 7 for the DC, and for the N64 I bought both launch titles.
 

I will probally only buy 1 launch title and wait till Christmas to get more. Also the $250 price you slated is not true. Nintendo has stated the price will be about $200.
Also like I said I didn\'t mention several titles that will also be there. I am just mentioning titles that will rival MGS2.

For the GameCube Launch
Nintendo will have 5 titles
RetroStudios 5 titles
Campcom ResidentEvil:Zero
EA  SSX:SE
 That\'s alrady 11 titles for launch then add titles from other second parties and 3rd parties your looking atleast 15 titles for launch.

  I\'d just like to say that by the end of this "Console War" the DVD players in the set-top-boxes will probably be used as much as the CD player function in PSOne.

Xbox wont be 500.

If Microsoft do that, its a automatic 3DO

xbox is not going to do so well this holiday season

here\'s why

1. they delayed it in europe
2. a rumor suggest they delay it in japan
3. not many great games (like ps2 now)
4. It will be the most expensive (not $500) more $like 300-350
5. Great userbase+games on other systems
6. sony will have internet (games) by then
7. Brand name (nobody knows about xbox, parents only know the brands nintendo, playstation and sega)
8. Other systems will be cheaper (dc will be $100 and psONe $50)
9. Not a big userbase=not many games sold

NGC (if the don\'t delay it) will do well. the younger audience be getting it. Parents will buy this system for their kids because it looks cute (for kids),it has pokemon and the price is low.

I\'m almost certain the XBox will be more than $300. When asked how much it would cost MS said only that the PS2 didn\'t include a lot of the features they are, like a hardrive. This leads me to belive its going to be more expensive than the PS2 and that MS is going to try and justify it with tons of features, which could kill them. People simply do not want to pay more than $300 for a console, and even that is a lot. I know a lot of people who were cringing over paying the $300 for a PS2, never mind the extra high ebay prices or the long store line waits, if the XBox ends up any more than $300 its in for a lot of problems.

Originally posted by Underwhelming Force
I\'m almost certain the XBox will be more than $300. When asked how much it would cost MS said only that the PS2 didn\'t include a lot of the features they are, like a hardrive....

I believe you\'re referring to J. Allard\'s answer to the question of whether the Xbox would cost less than the PS2, where he responds "Does the PS2 come with a massive hard drive and broadband adapter?".

IMO, this only says the XBox may not be cheaper than the PS2, but it doesn\'t say it will be more expensive than $300. When the XBox is launched, the PS2\'s price will almost certainly be lower than it is today, therefore at $299 the XBox will be more expensive than the PS2, but no more expensive than the original PS2 launch price.

Who knows, perhaps $299 will be the total cost of buying the XBox and the DVD remote add-on. We\'ll see.

I agree with AEBDolphin. Nintendo will have very good quality mature titles. The PS2 will definitely have a lot more, but who\'s gonna buy 100 games? I\'m not saying that Nintendo will do better, but i don\'t see any reason for teens not to buy the GC. Between sports games and all the quality mature games, it should be pretty much even between the GC and the PS2.