REAL XBox game pics - Malice

Originally posted by fastson
I was expecting much more. Now I know I bought the right console ! Xbox=PC graphics

That\'s like saying PS2 graphics = DC graphics. :rolleyes:

And that thing about the dev kit runing at 1/5 of the xbox speed is all hype.[/B]

I see, so your arguement rests on the premise that they lied about the dev kit. I guess you believe they were hiding a full speed XBox under the table!

At 1/5th final XBox speed, it was achieving shadowing effects which we HAVEN\'T seen on ANY PS2 games or demos to date. Now for me, THAT\'S impressive.

Originally posted by Dr Yassam

Originally posted by fastson
I was expecting much more. Now I know I bought the right console ! Xbox=PC graphics

That\'s like saying PS2 graphics = DC graphics. :rolleyes:

And that thing about the dev kit runing at 1/5 of the xbox speed is all hype.[/B]

I see, so your arguement rests on the premise that they lied about the dev kit. I guess you believe they were hiding a full speed XBox under the table!

At 1/5th final XBox speed, it was achieving shadowing effects which we HAVEN\'T seen on ANY PS2 games or demos to date. Now for me, THAT\'S impressive.

 [/B]

Well, it IS DirectX that they are using... It\'ll take longer for PS2 to catch and that is a fact of life.  But the PS2 can do lighting very well, and the PS2 still has many Trump cards.  And yes, Microsoft has ben shown to stretch the truth from time to time... Sure every company does this to extent, but MS is the most extreme cas that i think I have seen in the Video game industry.  Don\'t worry about it so much though,  They may still make a system worth playing.  But it\'s not the God of consoling, every system will show the other up, you watch.

Originally posted by PahnCrD
But my point is you don\'t need full power dev kit to get full power from a system. Might help, but this is all about more hype.

It\'s not about hype, it\'s about performance. 5 times more power gives you 5 times more polygons, it gives you 5 times more fill rate.

When viewing Malice, you KNOW that the final console will be capable of significantly more detail than that see today. Or are you really believe those MGS2 movies on the PS2 (the best thing seen on the console BTW) would look the same on a dev machine with just 1/5th final PS2 power?

Originally posted by Dr Yassam

Originally posted by PahnCrD
But my point is you don\'t need full power dev kit to get full power from a system. Might help, but this is all about more hype.

It\'s not about hype, it\'s about performance. 5 times more power gives you 5 times more polygons, it gives you 5 times more fill rate.

When viewing Malice, you KNOW that the final console will be capable of significantly more detail than that see today. Or are you really believe those MGS2 movies on the PS2 (the best thing seen on the console BTW) would look the same on a dev machine with just 1/5th final PS2 power? [/B]

Sorry, I wasn\'t aware at the time, that the images were running off of the Kit itself.  Anyway read my previous statement.

It\'s damn funny to watch everyone jump on the defensive so quickly.

I love my DC, and I love my PS2. But I must say those shots look impressive. I only hope it\'s running @ 60fps. Otherwise... bleh.

Now Abe I think looks ok, the same as when it was on PS2 so far. The thing is, it\'s true, if this is what these small companies are capable of, who knows what the big dogs will be capable of doing...


- dm

Originally posted by PahnCrD
Well, it IS DirectX that they are using... It\'ll take longer for PS2 to catch and that is a fact of life.  But the PS2 can do lighting very well, and the PS2 still has many Trump cards.

Yes, that a good point, developers are familiar with the XBox in a way that they couldn\'t be on the PS2 (but are learning). But until we see such effects on the PS2, we can only speculate on it\'s ability to do so.

All I\'m saying is be fair. If the ingame bump mapping and realtime shadowing effects seen in Malice was running on the PS2, many here would be \'blown away\' by the results.
At 1/5th the final XBox power it IS awesome, therefore it is not hype.

(Amendment: I wrote that paragraph before I read your last post!)

And yes, Microsoft has ben shown to stretch the truth from time to time... Sure every company does this to extent, but MS is the most extreme cas that i think I have seen in the Video game industry.[/B]

IMO, Sony\'s claims about the Emotion Engine\'s power, characters with real emotions, toy story/movie graphics, 15 times more powerful than a PentiumII etc, are FAR more extreme than anything MS has claimed about the XBox. MS haven\'t promised a revolution, they\'ve only promised an awesome console 3x more powerful than the PS2.

Don\'t worry about it so much though,  They may still make a system worth playing.  But it\'s not the God of consoling, every system will show the other up, you watch. [/B]

Yes, let\'s wait and see, and let\'s not forget that it\'s the games that count.

Originally posted by PahnCrD
Sorry, I wasn\'t aware at the time, that the images were running off of the Kit itself.  Anyway read my previous statement.

Yes, you made a good point about the ease for programmers using DirectX compared to the PS2.

But do look out for Malice movies when they become available. Those pics are impressive enough, but when you see those effects running in realtime, it\'s incredible (I\'m looking forward to high quality movies of this and other XBox games).

Dr. Yassam, The 1/5 performance "thing" could only really refer to polygon rates.  Fill rate is memory bandwidth constrained, and the xbox will have less available bandwidth than the current geforce2 ultra incarnations.  I know, I know; hidden surface removal and pixel shaders and such, but I don\'t believe for a minute that HSR is going to give me 5 times the fill-rate.  Still, I thought the malice demo looked very good; the oddworld demo sucked, but malice looked cool, and hopefully we\'ll soon see other games to look at too.

-greg

Xbox dev kits are only 1/5 the final speed of Xbox, thats why EA bought 500 of them


Xbox has been in works for 3 years now and specs have been finalized Nvidia has been working of the graphics chips for quite some time and they still don\'t have final hardware for Dev kits. Xbox is going to be released in 10 months and finalized Dev kit hardware still doesn\'t exist but 150 developers have bought these incomplete dev kits

C\'mon I don\'t buy that

I think it\'s a great effort on MS\'s part to get the latest hardware in there before it is shipped out! Which is what they said on the webcast! They want the latest hardware in there right before it hits the shelves.

If you don\'t believe it thats fine but it\'s been reported at a number of sites.

my take on this: Holy crap there are alot of things going on in that picture! for one, no blurriness, lots of bump mapping, shadows galore, etc. very impressed.

But it could easily be done on DC, those are just stupid PC graphics :rolleyes: hahahaha


Eric Jacob

Originally posted by Skippy-g
Dr. Yassam, The 1/5 performance "thing" could only really refer to polygon rates.  Fill rate is memory bandwidth constrained, and the xbox will have less available bandwidth than the current geforce2 ultra incarnations

The XBox has a memory bandwidth of 6.4Gb/sec, enough to handle it\'s fillrate requirements of 4Gpixels/sec and 4Gtexels/sec. The Geforce2\'s bandwidth is lower at 5.2Gb/sec, and it\'s fill rate is MUCH less at 0.8Gpixels/sec and 1.6Gtexels/sec!

See;
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/00q2/000427/geforce2-03.html
http://www.xbox.com/xbox/flash/specs.asp

But you\'re right, I should have said "5 times more power gives you 5 times more polygons and more fill rate".

Thanks for the correction.

Read these
1)PS2 new hardware arcitecture-XBOX similar hardware arcitecture

2)PS2 hard to program on-XBOX easy to program on(DirectX)

3)PS2 still unknown capabilities-XBOX NVIDIA made for creating special certain effects directly

etc

looks pretty good....... but graphics aren\'t all to judge a game by....just reminding you people blinded by the graphics(which are bootiful I must say)

Oh also PS2 tools werent ready until lately.Developers trying to create Tools spent more time and money.So less money and time for games.Also Sony delivered Dev kids around sepember 1999.No tools ready,new hardware.They had to built and finish their games for March release in japan.