Author Topic: Microsoft Whistler seems like it will be a very great hit for us......... (Read 2556 times)

« **on:** January 15, 2001, 08:35:59 AM »

If you upgraded to ME you are a big dumbass, Microsoft is releasing Whistler this year. A totally revamped Windows Operating system.....

Here is a sneak look at Whistler....

http://a.r.tv.com/cnet.1d/i/so/whistler/screen_rollback.gif

http://a.r.tv.com/cnet.1d/i/so/whistler/screen_taskbar.gif

http://a.r.tv.com/cnet.1d/i/so/whistler/screen_mycomputer.gif

http://a.r.tv.com/cnet.1d/i/so/whistler/screen_whistlerstart.gif

I\'m a big dumbass for getting ME, this Whistler sounds interesting....READ the article.......
http://www.cnet.com/software/0-3709-8-3349049-1.html?tag=st.sw.3709-8-3349049-5.SUBDIR.3709-8-3349049-1

nO-One · « **Reply #1 on:** January 15, 2001, 08:48:41 AM »

Pffft Whistler ain\'t that great.The only thing that interests me is the XML based skinning.
And Whistler isn\'t based on WinME it\'s based on Win2k.

« **Reply #2 on:** January 15, 2001, 08:51:21 AM »

Microsoft doesn\'t want you to upgrade either, i guess they have learned there lesson.....

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Microsoft does not want you to upgrade to Whistler. Although the company plans to sell some upgrades, it won\'t encourage you to buy them. Instead, Microsoft says you\'ll get a better OS if you just buy a new computer with Whistler preinstalled. Sound crazy? Well, this attitude could be Whistler\'s most revolutionary feature.

To wit: If you\'re running Windows 95, you won\'t be able to upgrade to Whistler. Period. Got Windows 98? You can buy the upgrade, but, according to Microsoft, your resulting operating system won\'t run as well or as reliably as it would preinstalled on a new machine. Given its code similarities, only Windows 2000 will weather the upgrade well. Microsoft is perfectly frank on the issue, though, and we think the final version of Whistler could be worth a whole new system. If you\'re still running Windows 95, Whistler might be a good reason to upgrade, but it\'s bound to frustrate the folks who get left behind.

« **Reply #3 on:** February 01, 2001, 04:42:15 AM »

that\'s another market-tactic, straight out from Microsoft!

wow, I can only be amazed of how greedy they are... I mean, they COULD easily have done the upgrade from Win98 to Whistler as from Win2k to Whistler... Or is it?

Well, I\'m not sure here if Whistler uses the basis of win2k, but I hope it\'s more than a graphical update... I\'m too lazy to read that article so enlighten me up...

« **Reply #4 on:** February 01, 2001, 10:25:47 AM »

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Originally posted by nO-One
Pffft Whistler ain\'t that great.The only thing that interests me is the XML based skinning.
And Whistler isn\'t based on WinME it\'s based on Win2k.

Whistler and Windows 2000 are based on Windows NT.

BTW, Whistler is definately worth it. It is a "Next-gen" OS. Just like OS 9/X and Linux. I don\'t feel like explaining. Maybe later.

nO-One · « **Reply #5 on:** February 01, 2001, 11:01:29 AM »

Yes I know Win2k is based on NT the biggest difference beetween the two is that MS intigrated DirectX into Win2k.
And yes Whistler will be worth it they are going to develope a completly new GUI for it.(about time if you ask me)
The OS that get\'s me the most excited is MacOS X it\'s the first UNIX based system with a real GUI.

« **Reply #6 on:** February 01, 2001, 02:05:42 PM »

I am excited about both of them. I am getting a new PC and a new mac. Seriously. I need a PC for all of my gaming needs and a mac for work. Did you guys hear that the new 733mhz Macs (G4s) are going to have a Disk drive that can burn CDs AND DVDs. That is incredible. The only thing is they put in some kind of safeguard so people can\'t record movies; but you know it is only a matter of time before someone gets around that. Especially since the computer will be using Free BSD.

nO-One · « **Reply #7 on:** February 01, 2001, 02:24:52 PM »

Yeah,and if you buy those drives for a PC it will cost as much as a whole new 733Mhz Mac with this drive.Apple has some kind of an agreement with Pioneer (the maker of these drives).I think Compaq signed a similar agreement.
The only bad thing is Motorola can\'t make enough G4\'s.
The 733Mhz model and the 667Mhz models both have an MPC7450 processor but the others have the MPC7400,which is the older G4.The top models have been delayed because of Motorola\'s inability to produce suffecient quantities of G4\'s
Now if Motorola would only license their AltiVec technoligy to IBM we could have a lot more processors.And better ones to.

Living-In-Clip · « **Reply #8 on:** February 01, 2001, 03:20:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Gohan
I am excited about both of them. I am getting a new PC and a new mac. Seriously. I need a PC for all of my gaming needs and a mac for work. Did you guys hear that the new 733mhz Macs (G4s) are going to have a Disk drive that can burn CDs AND DVDs. That is incredible. The only thing is they put in some kind of safeguard so people can\'t record movies; but you know it is only a matter of time before someone gets around that. Especially since the computer will be using Free BSD.

It is called a SUPERDRIVE. Currently only the 733mhz G4 MACs will have one. They are backstocked right now also. You use a program called iDVD to author the DVDs and it will even import photoshop graphic files to use for buttons on the DVD.

It uses DVD-R media.

The FREE BSD note is incorrect. You are reffering to MAC OS X (10) which will come out March 24th and be a seperate upgrade. It will not come packaged along with the system. And it is not FREE BSD. It is UNIX with the MAC OS wrapped around it. Allowing you to use UNIX programs and MAC programs. Which makes porting UNIX programs to the MAC easy. And you can run both at the same time.

I\'m getting two MACS come March. An Ibook and G4 (not the superdrive one).

By the way. A superdrive fully loaded is expensive.
733Mhz
1.5 gig of Ram
One 60 and 40 gig HDs
Video Card
SoundCard
DVD-R/CD-RW
SCSI card
AIRPORT card
Speakers
AppleCare Plan
ZIP DRIVE
and other things come up to six thousand dollars.

nO-One · « **Reply #9 on:** February 01, 2001, 05:30:22 PM »

Well MacOS X is based on the Mach.3 kernel which was developed by NExT (Steve Jobs\'s old company) and it\'s the same kernel used in the FreeBSD OS.
(ohh and Mach.3 is is a variant of UNIX)

And the Mac doesn´t have a sound card (yet Creative is portin the sb live for the mac)
And you have a choice of 3 vid cards
ATi Rage
ATi Radeon
Ge-Force 2 MX.

« **Reply #10 on:** February 01, 2001, 07:15:06 PM »

Wait, hold on.. I heard that the next operating system after WindowsME wouldn\'t include MS-DOS at ALL. So if I want to upgrade and am forced to buy whistler.. what will happen to my 3 gigs of Dos games and all my other Dos dependant software? I vaugely remember a dude on Tech TV said that most all DOS applications still work with the upcomming OS, be we all know what kind of promises MS makes don\'t we *Cough Plug \'n Play Cough*

Well here\'s hoping that someone makes a good DOS/PC emulator for the PS2 when it\'s harddrive comes around. I wonder if Mo\'Slow or CPUKiller would F*ck up the EE if I tried to use those....

Living-In-Clip · « **Reply #11 on:** February 01, 2001, 07:16:09 PM »

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Originally posted by nO-One
Well MacOS X is based on the Mach.3 kernel which was developed by NExT (Steve Jobs\'s old company) and it\'s the same kernel used in the FreeBSD OS.
(ohh and Mach.3 is is a variant of UNIX)

And the Mac doesn´t have a sound card (yet Creative is portin the sb live for the mac)
And you have a choice of 3 vid cards
ATi Rage
ATi Radeon
Ge-Force 2 MX.

True.
Here is a quote from CNN

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Apple\'s open source Darwin operating system--which integrates technologies from the Mach 3.0
kernel and BSD Unix operating system, among other things--lies at the core of OS X and
promises significant performance changes from OS 9. Its all-new Unix kernel offers protected
memory, which keeps your system up and running if one application crashes, and preemptive
multitasking, which lets you perform several tasks in several applications simultaneously with
minimal impact on performance. The new operating system also incorporates an advanced
virtual memory system, which automatically allocates the memory needed by an application (to
avoid unnecessary crashes) and supports symmetric multiprocessing at the operating system
level. That means Mac users can finally harness the real power and speed of Apple\'s new
multiprocessor Power Mac G4s.

My main point was MACS are expensive if fully loaded. I don\'t really consider this a drawback, just mentioning it.

I am going to get an Ibook and the G4. And hopefully come the 24th of March, I\'ll buy Mac OS X and install it on them. Throw AIRPORT cards in an AIRPORT hub and network them together.

I personally favor the MAC OS over Windows. Just never bought one. Used my friends and what not. When I get the MACS, I\'ll put these two old Windows Machines over the other desk, aka "the graveyard".

« **Reply #12 on:** February 01, 2001, 07:47:10 PM »

Isn\'t Free BSD a variation of UNIX?

Living-In-Clip · « **Reply #13 on:** February 01, 2001, 08:19:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Gohan
Isn\'t Free BSD a variation of UNIX?

Pretty much so.
Thats where the confusion bewteen No-One and I developed. He was saying FREEBSD. I was saying Unix. Basically, its a varaint and more secure according to who you ask..

Which brings me to the MAC OS X security. Hopefully, alot of the "Services" will be turned off by default install, for the OS is secured then a regular UNIX OS.

nO-One · « **Reply #14 on:** February 02, 2001, 06:43:12 AM »

UNIX is basically just the kernel and a damn stable one at that.

Win9x/ME is built upon DOS and MS is ditching this OS in favor of NT.If you try Win2k you\'ll see there is no DOS (altough you have a command line)

And I hadn\'t really started to think about OS X\'s security.But I supect it will be around Win2k\'s level.Of all the BSD\'s OpenBSD is the most secure.

And your right mac\'s are damn expensive.There are 5 in my house.And hopefully we will add the TiPB G4.

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