Ah,my mind is in a state of readiness, it\'s time to end this pathetic argument once and for all. Rest in peace Sony *****es, rest in peace...
*Metroid -- Does not deserve to be called Metroid. Nintendo really screwed this up by changing the whole genre. They could have had something really cool, and something really innovative, but they took the easy way out instead.
Um, who says they still can\'t be innovative with a FPS Metroid? Nintendo is the master of coming up with new and brilliant ideas, the\'ll think of something extraodinary to not make this game "just another FPS",but a revolutionary FPS!
I\'ve already said this several times but I\'m forced to repeat myself. A TPS Metroid would of followed it\'s old ways but it would of been extremely hard to do. All TPS usually end up like crap so why wouldn\'t they make the smart move and turn it into a FPS? FPS sell better than TPS do...they play better...in case you don\'t get it yet, they ARE superior!
So what if it isn\'t Metroid, leaving it as a TPS would of been worse. Everyone would of been so hyped up and then when they bought it they would be like, "God this game was a let down". But instead, now they can actually make the game better than before.
I hope this little bit ends this whole Metroid argument. I thought I could do it on my own but I guess you people just forced me to use the facts straight up!
IGNCUBE-
Metroid First-Person Exploration
So is this now "set in stone" that Metroid is going to be a FPS? If so, that\'s really too bad. I\'ve always been a huge fan of Metroid due to the unique gameplay style and it\'s great presentation. But how is Metroid still Metroid as a FPS? It isn\'t, it still might be a great game like GoldenEye, but it still isn\'t Metroid IMHO.
The Japanese don\'t like FPS do they? I wonder if because Metroid wasn\'t that popular in Japan, but it was in the US - and since FPS are popular in the US, but not Japan - they figured let\'s have Metroid be a FPS for the US. Best of both worlds, right? Bah!
So is there any light for us old school Metroid fans that don\'t really like FPS anymore? I got burned out on Doom 2 and Quake in college...
Fran responds: You know, as each day passes by I feel more and more guilty that we labled the game as an FPS without going into more detail. The problem, of course, is that we don\'t have many details. What we know so far indicates that Retro, Nintendo, and everyone involved with Metroid know just as well as you do that shooting did not make Metroid the brilliant franchise that it is. The main focus has always been starting with basic exploring and uncovering huge upgrades that allow you to do more. It is in the same vein that fighting enemies in Zelda is. They are merely hurdles to get by. The real meat of the gameplay is the puzzles and giant bosses. This is exactly the same for Metroid and the developers know. You underestimate them if you think otherwise.
Of course, moving to first-person makes jumping around and exploring a little different. Well, a lot different. Still, consider that the main problem first-person brings to the table is platforming. Retro may very well have some unique solutions that no one has thought of. This is a Nintendo game. Many once asked, "How are we supposed to fight enemies in Zelda if it\'s 3D?" The Z-lock solved everything. If my hunch is right, Retro is creating some very inventive camera tricks and lock-on methods. Perhaps when you use the grappling hook the camera will go to third-person. Perhaps jumping from platform to platform will be realized in level design? In Metroid, didn\'t you take one platform at a time? Look up above the nearest door to you and envision a platform above. It\'s not so hard to imagine jumping with the low gravity that Metroid\'s worlds have, is it?
Anyhow, I am no game designer, but I am one of the biggest fans there are. First-person definitely presents some problems, but it also presents some solutions. Walking down a thin tunnel with tons of creatures crawling after you(as seen in the GameCube demo) would definitely be better handled in first person. You would simply turn and shoot, instead of turning, aiming (which would switch to first-person anyhow), and then firing.
Give it some time, and I think you may find out that a 3D Metroid might be better off in first-person. The development teams have had the opportunity to explore BOTH third and first-person control. They chose first-person for a reason.
\'Nuff said about Metroid. We have a good long two pages about it there is nothing more we can say about it other than "smart move Nintendo.
*Mario -- Yawn. Another Mario game. Yippee.
I suppose you like Raymen 2 for PS2 then don\'t you?
Listen,Mario is Nintendo\'s biggest system seller, you may not like it but it\'s gonna be tha bomb for all of us unbiased people. Mario is knowned for it\'s quality.
*RE:0 -- I\'ll take RE4, thankyou. And while I\'m waiting for RE4, I\'ll be busy playing RE:CV.
*sigh*
RE:4 has already been announced for NGC. So that means Nintendo gets a new exclusive version and PS2 gets RE:CV. Oh joy joy,who wants a game we\'ve already played and loved before? RE:0 is going to be a prequal,it\'s going to tell the true story behind the RE series,quite frankly its a must have title for all the major RE fans.
SSX:SE -- This will kick butt, I can\'t argue with that. There are two problems though. 1. It\'s also coming to the PS2. 2. Sacrifices will have to be made in order for it to work with the controller (There\'s not enough grab buttons). I am interested in seeing what the developers do to fix this problem.
Don\'t you worry about the controller, no freaking sacrafices are necassary, it has arguably the best button layout out of all the next-gen controller(if you want to battle about that then be my guest,I know I can\'t lose, how can you not understand it?)
*1080 2 -- What\'s the point when you have SSX:SE?
1080 was always thought to be the best snowboarding game until SSX. I think on a CD format then it will have no problem showing EA how to make a real snowboarding game. The N64 has it\'s limits,but GODs allow for over 100 times more space than cartridges,think about that.
Rogue Squadron 2 -- Nope, I don\'t like flight games that much.
Good for you! Tell that to the people who\'ve played the first one. RS on the N64 was awesome, it was loved by all the major sites and now with one coming to GameCube it will be 100 times better than the previous one.
Wave Race 2 -- This game will probably be cool. The only problem I had with the first one was the horrible sound/music. Now that it\'s on a CD type format, it can be done right.
So,you actually played Wave Race to make a comment on it, good job.
*Eternal Darkness -- ???
*Too Human -- ???
*Dinosaur Planet -- ???
*After Dark -- ???
*Thornado -- ???
BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!
Oh dear god your pathetic. These are the systems sellers right here,and you have absolutely nothing to say about them ! Go figure.
Too Human- MGS2 KILLER BABY!*note* This applies to the argument you mention later in your post, I\'ll just use this and one other as an example.*
You don\'t remember Too Human? It was suppose to be a 4 disks PSX game at first. Everyone had high hopes for this games,many people thought that Silicon Knights was the next best developer out there. This game was supposed to push the pSX\'s power to the max. Then they became a Nintendo second party!:D This game was going to have over 80 hours of game play and was said to have a better story line than both FFXII and
MGS.
Check out IGNCube\'s preview for more information on this great looking GameCube only game.
http://cube.ign.com/previews/15333.htmlEternal Darkness was going to be N64\'s violent and disturbing game..until it was coming to NGC. This game is also made by second party Silicon Knights and also has high expectations for it.
Dinosaur Planet- a game thats being made by the famous Rareware. It was showened at E3 and everyone was blowned away from it\'s stunning graphics and details. Definately a system seller.
After Dark- From the creators of Goldeneye...need I say more? This is a sequal to an awesome FPS that was almost perfect. This game will be the FPS to get at launch day, along with Metroid that is! Its going to be interesting to see which is better,very interesting indeed.
Thornado- Factor 5\'s breakout game. It was showned at Spaceworld and was said to be the best looking game there. Its an action shooter with a dark theme,I can\'t really say more about it but since\'s it\'s coming from a great developer I can almost garantee that this game will be great.
As for the Buldars Gate killer...see Too Human, Thornado, After Dark, Dinosaur Planet, Metroid, and Eternal Darkness. Face it, it\'s just a good looking game on a system that is hard to program for, you guys shouldm\'t get too hyped up on this one. GameCube will have better graphics, so it looks like Baldurs Gate will be nothing.
Now for the FFX killer...I\'ll give you this one. Too Human has a chance a it but not bloody likely. Enjoy your one game that you will have over GameCube, because it will be your last(I had to say that).
But...this game might be coming to GameCube. Did you hear that recent Square announcement,well if you didn\'t tell I\'ll explain it to you right here: Square will bring two games to NGC(check out that topic). FFX might be one of them,and FFXI might be the other one!(keep reading that topic).
Even if they don\'t come to NGC, we still have Zelda! :P
See, the problem with the list is that there are zero fighting games! We all saw this coming when we first saw the NGC controller, so I\'m not surprised at all. Until there is a fighting game on the list, I am not impressed. There are some games that I don\'t know about on the list, and cube.ign.com had no info on them, so I couldn\'t tell you what I think about them.
God who gives a **** about fighting games? They don\'t sell very well anyway, I hope Nintendo doesn\'t concentrate on fighting games AT ALL.
But the\'ll come anyway. Namco is developing for them as wel is Sega. We will observe some great fighting games on GameCube, don\'t worry, E2 is almost there.
Don\'t even start on the controller. IGNCube clarified everything \'bout that.
I never knew you could see the future. I think there is a little speculation on your part
You underestimate the GameCube and it\'s developers... EA, Ubi Soft,Namco, Sega,and others,have all confirmed support. We\'ll see them at E3 with Nintendo. Nintendo will have plenty of games for NGC,this isn\'t the N64 after all.
Sorry, I don\'t follow. What sounded like "something a troll would say?" All I said was my oppinion on some of the games on the list. Isn\'t that why you gave us the list in the first place, so we could tell our oppinions on the games?
You were putting PS2 on a pedistole and NGC on the ground for god\'sakes. You were trying to make PS2 look good and NGC look bad, thats something a troll would do.
Once again, I don\'t follow. Are you talking about the "Nintendo" name, or the "Metroid" name. If you are talking about the Metroid name, that is why I said the developers should change the name. They are deceiving the constomers into buying a false Metroid game. If you are talking about the Nintendo name, that is obviously not the case. Look at the N64 vs the PSX
When people see Metroid in stores, the\'ll flip, even if it\'s a FPS and even if it\'s not really a Metroid. This game is going to sell more as a FPS than a TPS,thats one of the reaons that Nintendo changed it.
I don\'t think I\'m the one having problems bringing up a decent point. You keep on throwing us this list of sub-par games that only the greatest of Nintendo lovers could love. Once again, I am not impressed with the lineup.
Sub-par? HA! Just because your too blind to see the good of NGC don\'t try and make it sound like a fact dood.
Then maybe you should stop repeating yourself. You still haven\'t given me the three games on the NGC that can match FFX, Baldur\'s Gate, and MGS2, which will be coming out at around the same time the NGC is released. Don\'t go back on your word, I want to see these games that you said you would show me.
I just gave you the games. But I guess I was acting a little foolish...you will always think that MGS2,FFX, and Baldurs Gate are better than anything I will mention. Your a fanboy. I can\'t change your uneducated opinion on this matter so there is no true point on me telling you which game is better. You\'ll never believe me. You\'ll never admit it. You will always think the same way,but I don\'t care. When NGC comes around your going to be the one missing out,not me.
Thanks for playing.
