What company has the best 1st party developers?

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Originally posted by ElAsesino

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip

Not dissin\' Nintendo, but they haven\'t aged as well. The NES and SuperNES was both excellent systems. But the N64 wasn\'t anything special. The 64DD was a tragedy which is why we anyone out of Japan never got it.  

I\'m with MM though.
Sega if you are over 13.
Nintendo if you are under 12.

Not to say that Nintendo doesn\'t produce some good games. They do. But not near enough.

 

Don\'t tell me that you are talking about Nintendo and their consoles.  How ironic is this considering that the company that you are defending, Sega, has how many failed add-ons and consoles?  Let\'s see, we have the 32X, GameGear, Sega CD, the Sega Saturn, and we\'ll throw in the DC since it appears that you consider the N64 a failure.  

Ok that is 5 for Sega and 3 for Nintendo (Virtual Boy, 64DD, N64).  

Now without the N64 and DC it is 4 for Sega and only 2 for Nintendo.   [/B]

Good point (will admit when someone makes a good point). Part of Sega\'s problem was with the 32x and SegaCD alot of people felt ripped off. Rightfully so. Both add-ons was dead pretty soon after release. Sega mostly failed because of its reputation. But did a nice come back with the DC, too bad people wasn\'t "getting it".

I\'m not saying the GC will fail. Nintendo just needs to come up with some new franchises. And maybe focus alot less on Pokecrap.

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
right Gohan, riiiigghhht. So Sonic is a Mario clone (obviously) , but isn\'t mario a clone of Pitfall or Lemmings, or some other games. Believe it or not, Mario was not the first platformer! GASP! It\'s true! Tell me, does Nintendo make sports games? RPGs? Racing games? (outside of kiddy cart racing or Cruisin\'?)? Puzzle games? Fighting Games? Online? The list goes on and on and on and on... Tell me, who is the best developer? Thhhhaaaaaaattttt\'s right!

Eric Jacob

Its like reinventing the wheel. If I make a better wheel than the one we normally use and you copy my wheel then you have a "Gohan Wheel" clone. Its true.

In terms of variety, Sega owns all, but in terms of brand name titles, nintendo owns all.  Face it, there is no one mascot more recognized then Mario, although Pikachu comes in a close second and those characters could be dubbed, albeit oddly, marquee (sp?) performers.  I mean, Mario has a total of 70+ appearances in videogames, and I\'m sure Nintendo paid Miyamoto handsomly for each one.  Pikachu is just a cash cow, or yellow-buzzy-thingy-mabob, whichever you prefer.  

Money aside, in terms of fun, variety wins out here.  Sega has the BEST franchises along with the most differentiated line up as well.  The only new game that was of Nintendo origin that was truly original was Super Metroid and that was still a sequel to a previous franchise and that was 7 fraggin years ago!  I think that one sentence says a lot about Nintendo.  Now that I think about it, I think Nintendo and Capcom share the same common business practices: "Release one original title every 6-10 or so years, milk the crap out of it in said 6-10 years, then release something completely new or an old rehash that seems fresh and original yet is the same thing regardless.  Rinse and repeat."

Waverace 64 --> Waverace 2
Super Metroid --> Metroid 4
Mario 64 --> Luigi\'s Mansion
Rogue Squadron --> Rogue Squadron 2
Zelda: OoT --> New Zelda game... Links Arousal?  Anybody\'s guess j\\k
Perfect Dark --> After Dark

Company known for it\'s originality and innovation?  If by innovation you mean redoing the same tired thing over and over, you got that right.

Taken from NextGen\'s January 2001 issue in the "Got Talent" cover story section.

Overall 4 out of 5 stars:
Based on their games, Sega\'s developers are, without question, leading the industry in innovation. The downside to this is that regardless oh how good Samba de Amigo, or Space Channel 5 are, these titles aren\'t breaking out of their niche and moving hardware. On the other hand, the overpowering quality of Shenmue has managed to do just that. We expect Sega will continue to bring new and exciting titles in 2001, with stronger online components.

Overall 3 1/2 out of 5 stars:
Sony\'s developers have lots of potential - arguably the most potential to surprise us with titles that can sell hardware. Some teams are unproven, and of the proven ones many PS2 games remain unseen. But it would take a real pessimist to predict flops from Naughty Dog, Insomniac, and several others on this list. However, a year ago, no pessimist would\'ve predicted the flop that is GameDay 2001 either, and the complexity of the means titles may be slow in coming.

Overall 3 out of 5 stars:
Aside froom the obvious coup of Bungie and Oddworld Inhabitants, there aren\'t many groups on this list that really thrill us, and there are a few clunkers as well. Still, some of the new companies boast veteran talent - yet roughly half of Microsoft\'s first-party teams fall squarely into the PC development camp. While this may benefit each developer\'s programming staff, we can\'t help but feel it handicaps the designers. After Xbox launches, we feel this rating could swing dramatically either way.

Overall 4 1/2 out of 5 stars:
While EAD certainly carries the rest of this group (including Rare, whose titles have been, for the most part, paint-by-numbers since Goldeneye), Nintendo very, very, very rarely ships a bad game. Sega\'s first party is comparable in many ways, but before Dreamcast pundits write in to argue for their half star, they should go back and play World Series Baseball 2K1

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Originally posted by Ryu
In terms of variety, Sega owns all, but in terms of brand name titles, nintendo owns all.  Face it, there is no one mascot more recognized then Mario, although Pikachu comes in a close second and those characters could be dubbed, albeit oddly, marquee (sp?) performers.  I mean, Mario has a total of 70+ appearances in videogames, and I\'m sure Nintendo paid Miyamoto handsomly for each one.  Pikachu is just a cash cow, or yellow-buzzy-thingy-mabob, whichever you prefer.  

Money aside, in terms of fun, variety wins out here.  Sega has the BEST franchises along with the most differentiated line up as well.  The only new game that was of Nintendo origin that was truly original was Super Metroid and that was still a sequel to a previous franchise and that was 7 fraggin years ago!  I think that one sentence says a lot about Nintendo.  Now that I think about it, I think Nintendo and Capcom share the same common business practices: "Release one original title every 6-10 or so years, milk the crap out of it in said 6-10 years, then release something completely new or an old rehash that seems fresh and original yet is the same thing regardless.  Rinse and repeat."

Waverace 64 --> Waverace 2
Super Metroid --> Metroid 4
Mario 64 --> Luigi\'s Mansion
Rogue Squadron --> Rogue Squadron 2
Zelda: OoT --> New Zelda game... Links Arousal?  Anybody\'s guess j\\k
Perfect Dark --> After Dark

Company known for it\'s originality and innovation?  If by innovation you mean redoing the same tired thing over and over, you got that right.

Mmmmmmmmm\'hmmmm. But, they will argue that Nintendo is original and re-does the games each time. When is the last time Nintendo came out with something like Jet Grind Radio? Or Shenmue?

You mention Capcom and Nintendo. Only difference is Capcom does continue to put more games out. Where as Nintendo releases one or two here and there and then forgets about them for awhile. I mean, I like Nintendo franchises (most). But, I cannot warrant buying a system because of them. Where as Sega had enough first party games to keep me busy for along time.


Nintendo makes great games. Just not enough games.
And uhm? The Yoshi game for the N64 was not good. I remember buying it thinking "Great, another classic Mario game!". Getting home and beating it and going "I want my $60 dollars back, damnit!"..

Now, when I get some cash, I will go out and pick up Paper Mario. But didn\'t Nintendo hand that out to a 2ND party developer?

Mmmmmmmmm\'hmmmm. But, they will argue that Nintendo is original and re-does the games each time. When is the last time Nintendo came out with something like Jet Grind Radio? Or Shenmue?

I was referring to all new all original titles.  Capcom was Street Fighter and arcade beat\'em-ups for the longest time, but then, out of NOWHERE pops Resident Evil (Bio Hazard for the JP enthuiasts) and Nintendo does the same thing.  They got Mario, and Link and Donkey, but out of nowhere pops Banjo Kazooie, albeit much of the same as most platformers for that system, he still came out of nowhere.  Nintendo tends to come up with one overall main theme with each of their consoles when they release them.  NES was the age of the side scrolling left to right adventure games a\'la Mario 1-3 while SNES was the day of the same, yet MUCH prettier a\'la, Donkey Kong Country and the aforementioned Mario games.  N64 was the day of the third person platformer a\'la donkey, mario, and Banjo.  I dunno what will happen with Gamecube, but I wouldn\'t be surprised if Nintendo follows that formula to some degree in the next 4 years.

I\'m not saying Nintendo isn\'t creative with it\'s existing titles, they just have a tendency to avoid all things fresh and completely new, but once they accept one thing (Mario64) and it becomes a success, lots of games tend to follow suit (Donkey Kong, Banjo Kazooie).  

Ryu the only similarity between Mario on the NES and Mario 64 is the fact that Mario is in both of them. You guys act like Sony and Sega don\'t rehash the same franchises.

Some examples:

-Sonic
-Tekken
-Final Fantasy
-Crash Bandicoot
-Tomb Raider
-etc.

I am not saying that these games were bad it is just that everyone has their franchises. They re-release their franchises because we ask for them. Games like Street Fighter that seemed to come out every 6 months with only minor changes kept coming out because we kept buying them. Just like if Sega announced that they were going to bring back some old franchises we would be crapping our pants in excitement. (ie. Ninja Gaiden, Altered Beast[Power-up ], etc.)

BTW, If someone important is reading this, please bring back Ninja Gaiden and Altered Beast.

Just to set it straight, we are talking about FIRST party software.

Crash(Multi-platform/now owned by Universal)
Tomb Raider(Multi Platform)
and Final Fantasy(Multi Platform/PC)

Neither is Tekken. It may be on PSX, but isn\'t made by Sony.

All are NOT Made by Sony or their First party Subsidiaries.

Originally posted by CygnusXI
Just to set it straight, we are talking about FIRST party software.

Crash(Multi-platform/now owned by Universal)
Tomb Raider(Multi Platform)
and Final Fantasy(Multi Platform/PC)

Neither is Tekken. It may be on PSX, but isn\'t made by Sony.

All are NOT Made by Sony or their First party Subsidiaries.

You got me there.

BTW,
-Ninja Gaiden- -Ninja Gaiden- -Ninja Gaiden- -Ninja Gaiden-
-Altered Beast- -Altered Beast- -Altered Beast- -Altered Beast-

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Originally posted by Gohan
Ryu the only similarity between Mario on the NES and Mario 64 is the fact that Mario is in both of them. You guys act like Sony and Sega don\'t rehash the same franchises.

Some examples:

-Sonic
-Tekken
-Final Fantasy
-Crash Bandicoot
-Tomb Raider
-etc.

I am not saying that these games were bad it is just that everyone has their franchises. They re-release their franchises because we ask for them. Games like Street Fighter that seemed to come out every 6 months with only minor changes kept coming out because we kept buying them. Just like if Sega announced that they were going to bring back some old franchises we would be crapping our pants in excitement. (ie. Ninja Gaiden, Altered Beast[Power-up ], etc.)


BTW, If someone important is reading this, please bring back Ninja Gaiden and Altered Beast.

Uhm? Tomb Raider, Crash Bandicoot, Final Fantasy, Tekken are not first party titles.

Nintendo makes good games. But don\'t come up with something truly original offen. They need something very fresh,hip, and original.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Uhm? Tomb Raider, Crash Bandicoot, Final Fantasy, Tekken are not first party titles.

Nintendo makes good games. But don\'t come up with something truly original offen. They need something very fresh,hip, and original.

I agree with you there, Nintendo and hip shouldn\'t be in the same sentence together and as far as originality goes, No one beats Sega.

I\'d say Nintendo has the best 1st party developers.

Sega has innovation,yes, but sometmies they seem to lack in quality where as Nintendo has some innovation but always delivers in the quality department.

So what if Sega is original, Shenmue sucked and Sonic Aventure was too short. They have a lot of great game though, just not as many as Nintendo does. Innovation can kiss my ass.

Someone mentioned about Paper Mario going to a 2nd party, thats not true. They gave it to fellow 1st party Intelligent Systems(Super Metroid, Kid Icarus, Fire Emblem).

Silicon Knights looks like the most promising new second party developer for Nintendo that I\'ve seen.  Eternal Darkness looks like it could be a million seller easily (IMO), and Too Human has a good theme in it too.  

I personally want Eternal Darkness to be ported to GC, and there is a chance that that could happen.  With Too Human and Eternal Darkness, I think Silicon Knights could eventually be recognized nearly as much as RARE.

I think Nintendo really needs to kill off  its franchises and actually come out with something interesting. Probably not going to happen, and that will keep alot of people from wanting a GC like me


Sega does dome cool things, but I don\'t find  all Sega games to be great.

Sony is just getting out from being considered a rookie, and has invested a tremendous amounts of money into 1st party development.
I fully expect Sony to earn some serious respect this generation with a solid handful of great games , and slew of good games as well.

MS is the rookie in consoles, but they\'ve aligned themselves with a few developers for 1st party franchises

  Also, I think that since Sega is a third party, they might make Sonic and Nights only for GC depending on if they make exclusives for each console.  I wouldn\'t mind that at all .  The only thing wrong with this is that I might not be able to get it because of all the DC games that I need to get .