New DOOM Engine movie on GeForce3 here!!!!

[BizioEE]

Originally posted by ProfessorX
I think you guys are just a little jealous of what is to come against your PS2

How old are you guys anyway?

Jealous?...of a PC-component?...mmm...I\'ve got a PS2 and I\'m going to buy a Game Cube...I\'m not interested in PC\'s games:D

Isn\'t it a Console Debating?

You know damn well that the Geforce 3 carries the same core technology thats going in the Xbox therefore the graphics with equal or better what was seen in Doom3 demo.

Please don\'t insult your own intelligence I know you know what the hell were talking about here.

he prof X why don\'t you chill down a bit, nobody ever said the thing sucked and that\'s cause we know it doesn\'t but it\'s just that not everybody is interested in things like that, so dream on about your 600 dollar card for all I care, but don\'t say we have to like it.

[BizioEE]

GeForce3 is claimed to be:

The first fully programmable GPU -- the nfiniteFX(TM) Pixel Shader processor and Vertex Shader processor give developers the ability to program a virtually infinite number of special effects and custom looks.
The first high-resolution antialiasing (HRAA) GPU, featuring NVIDIA\'s patented Quincunx AA mode, for high-resolution, high-quality, high-performance multisampling capabilities,for the first time ever on the PC!  
A platform for advanced transform and lighting features, enabling more complex, visually exciting objects and scenes.
OpenGL® 1.2 compatible.
Available in 64MB DDR SDRAM configuration that supports both the innovative Apple® Display Connector and the industry standard VGA connection.

X-Box has not 64MB DDR SDRAM and not high-resolution antialiasing (HRAA) and not a CPU like the G4:D

""The all-new Power Mac G4 with Velocity Engine, when combined with the incredible NVIDIA GeForce3 GPU, delivers industry-leading computing and graphics performance to Mac customers.""

Look at the whole Machine...not only the GPU:D

Hey SonyFan, Carmack said that Doom 3 is going to be more single-player and story driven than all of his other games. Gives you a little something to look forward to.

he prof X why don\'t you chill down a bit, nobody ever said the thing sucked and that\'s cause we know it doesn\'t but it\'s just that not everybody is interested in things like that, so dream on about your 600 dollar card for all I care, but don\'t say we have to like it.

1. Never said you guys said it sucked

2. People are interested when the read the post and reply so
   I know they are interested.

3. Never said you had to like it. Don\'t care if you like it.

4. It\'s not about the card...it\'s about the Xbox and the
   technology inside...ie the NV20 core.

GeForce3 is claimed to be:

The first fully programmable GPU -- the nfiniteFX(TM) Pixel Shader processor and Vertex Shader processor give developers the ability to program a virtually infinite number of special effects and custom looks.
The first high-resolution antialiasing (HRAA) GPU, featuring NVIDIA\'s patented Quincunx AA mode, for high-resolution, high-quality, high-performance multisampling capabilities,for the first time ever on the PC!
A platform for advanced transform and lighting features, enabling more complex, visually exciting objects and scenes.
OpenGL® 1.2 compatible.
Available in 64MB DDR SDRAM configuration that supports both the innovative Apple® Display Connector and the industry standard VGA connection.

X-Box has not 64MB DDR SDRAM and not high-resolution antialiasing (HRAA) and not a CPU like the G4

""The all-new Power Mac G4 with Velocity Engine, when combined with the incredible NVIDIA GeForce3 GPU, delivers industry-leading computing and graphics performance to Mac customers.""

Look at the whole Machine...not only the GPU

Ok lets just cut through the Haze! I see you point but don\'t beat around the bush come out and say it!  So your telling me that the Xbox won\'t be able to match those kind of graphics?

Whats wrong with stating an opinion? I will! The Xbox WILL be able to match those kind of graphics and possibly better them come E3 expo. If you dont want to give your opinion then I ask you one important question....whats your point?

Oh one more thing.....since when did Xbox lose the ability to high resolution AA?

[Living-In-Clip]

heh. Viva La Mac!....err..nevermind that.

Just another reason to own a Mac.



Ultimate game machine = 733mhz G4, 1.5 gigs of Ram, GeForce 3, 22 inch Cinema Flat Panel Apple monitor.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Ultimate game machine = 733mhz G4, 1.5 gigs of Ram, GeForce 3, 22 inch Cinema Flat Panel Apple monitor.

 

*drool* I love macs. I am getting a G4 when the DVD-R drives come out for the macs.

If there are any investors in here you better start buying shares of Apple because they are about to go through the roof.

[Living-In-Clip]

Originally posted by Gohan

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
Ultimate game machine = 733mhz G4, 1.5 gigs of Ram, GeForce 3, 22 inch Cinema Flat Panel Apple monitor.

 

*drool* I love macs. I am getting a G4 when the DVD-R drives come out for the macs.

If there are any investors in here you better start buying shares of Apple because they are about to go through the roof. [/B]

They\'re out and shipping now. Go to http://store.apple.com. There is 6 configurations of the PowerPC G4, including the 733MHZ with DVD-R/CD-RW superdrive, which is now shipping.

I saw the 13 meg demo. Am I impressed? Honestly, no. What really shocked me is the time to produce a single frame back 15 years ago with the first Pixtar picture that lasted no more than 5 minutes, which took literally years to produce on thousands of thousands of networked graphic renduring machines. Just makes us wonder and complain the drop from 100fps to 60fps is really that much to complain about.

Simply, the lighting is just outstanding thanks to new shader effects, soft shadows, High Resoultion Anti Aliasing (HRAA). But haven\'t we seen Soft Shadows presented by 3dfx in hardware 1 full year before the GeForce 3? Please, don\'t believe everything nVidia tells you. Especially their HRAA. By what sharkyextreme.com\'s inside nVidia interview, nVidia is still doing it in software and has no intents of making it in hardware as to this point in development. Will it matter if its done in hardware verses software? Yes, to an extent. In hardware, you loose a lot of performance, yet again the result of the feature comes out better. In software, good performance yet below decent quality.


As my personal view of the GeForce 3 up to this point, its generally just taking GeForce 2\'s level up to the next and adding some new things. I mean seriously, who the hell is going to dump 600 dollars on a card that has features that has yet to be used? Wait a month or too and let it kick back. It was halarious, the cut the movie right after the announaced the price, I guess they wanted to hide the commentry of the crowd from us *hint hint*.


In the Doom side, its just looks now. If it incooperates some of the Quake3\'s feel and pace of action, it will easily be another must have. And with the richer graphical advancements, it will offer deeper gameplay.

Ah well, we got til Late March, Early April to disucss the upcoming features of the GF3 aka NV20. Til then, sit back and relax and enjoy the show.

jm

"Hey SonyFan, Carmack said that Doom 3 is going to be more single-player and story driven than all of his other games. Gives you a little something to look forward to."

Perhaps Gohan, but I\'ll save all prejudgements about Doom III until I play it. I mean, Doom was a great game.. it\'s just that the premise of Romero\'s games haven\'t changed much despite the adulation he pours over each new shooter of his. We\'ll just have to wait until it\'s done to see..  

Anyhow, my PC would fry into smoldering lump of melted plastic and circitry if I ever tried to plug the PC version of the GeForce3 into it. It\'ll be awhile before I can afford to upgrade anytime soon too, so it\'s not I\'m likely to have the chance to play it when it\'s released unless I buy an Xbox (which we don\'t KNOW for a fact can produce those kinda graphics anyhow) and that\'s pretty much out of the question for the time being.

[BizioEE]

Originally posted by ProfessorX

GeForce3 is claimed to be:

The first fully programmable GPU -- the nfiniteFX(TM) Pixel Shader processor and Vertex Shader processor give developers the ability to program a virtually infinite number of special effects and custom looks.
The first high-resolution antialiasing (HRAA) GPU, featuring NVIDIA\'s patented Quincunx AA mode, for high-resolution, high-quality, high-performance multisampling capabilities,for the first time ever on the PC!
A platform for advanced transform and lighting features, enabling more complex, visually exciting objects and scenes.
OpenGL® 1.2 compatible.
Available in 64MB DDR SDRAM configuration that supports both the innovative Apple® Display Connector and the industry standard VGA connection.

X-Box has not 64MB DDR SDRAM and not high-resolution antialiasing (HRAA) and not a CPU like the G4

""The all-new Power Mac G4 with Velocity Engine, when combined with the incredible NVIDIA GeForce3 GPU, delivers industry-leading computing and graphics performance to Mac customers.""

Look at the whole Machine...not only the GPU

Ok lets just cut through the Haze! I see you point but don\'t beat around the bush come out and say it!  So your telling me that the Xbox won\'t be able to match those kind of graphics?

Whats wrong with stating an opinion? I will! The Xbox WILL be able to match those kind of graphics and possibly better them come E3 expo. If you dont want to give your opinion then I ask you one important question....whats your point?

Oh one more thing.....since when did Xbox lose the ability to high resolution AA?

 [/B]

Do you want my opinion? ...The Movie I watched is really impressive and I\'m curious to see what X-Box can do!
I didn\'t say X-Box won\'t produce a Graphics close to this one or even better(because I don\'t know what the Microsoft console can do).
If you read between the lines you can notice that my point is not:"X-Box is not capable of producing that kind of Graphics but simply and only a little answer to this statement:"Do you want to see what the NV20 is capable of? Do you want to see the power of a GPU which is ONE GENERATION BEHIND the XBox\'s NV2A?...don\'t you agree this statement contains a misleading message...I mean...a more powerful GPU doesn\'t make better graphics than a more balanced hardware with floods of RAM!

I dislike Microsoft,SURE,but first of all I\'m a videogames-lover so,if X-Box will shine in Graphics and game-play...grrr...GRRRR...I have to say that...I\'ll buy the X-Box too!


 

Most honest opinion I\'ve heard on these boards in a long time! You argue well point well taken.

Originally posted by BizioEE
don\'t you agree this statement contains a misleading message...I mean...a more powerful GPU doesn\'t make better graphics than a more balanced hardware with floods of RAM!

RAM is the ONLY advantage the PC/Mac has over the XBox (and any other console)!

Not only will the NV2A be more powerful, but the system board is significantly better at shifting data than any current PC or Mac (since this what is it was designed to do!).

Sure the PC/Mac has the RAM advantage (it always has and always will), but it terms of maxing out the performance of the GPU, 4*AGP will not be good enough beyond the GeForce3. Hopefully, 8*AGP is just around the corner!

http://www.fullon3d.com/reports/000824.shtml


Here\'s what nVidia\'s Tony Tomasi had to say about it;

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,41849,00.html

"So even though the XGPU is based on nVidia\'s forthcoming NV20 chip that will be used in PCs, its performance is considerably faster than its PC brethren because there are no AGP video bus and north bridge in the way. The XGPU and CPU will both be directly accessing each other via the same high-speed memory with no buses in the middle."

"There\'s absolutely no way you could render 125 million polygons a second across an AGP bus," said Tony Tomasi, director of product marketing at nVidia. "The entire architecture of the XGPU is built around unified architecture where it shares memory with the processor, as opposed to shuttling it across a bus. So that changes the way the whole thing works."

Hence my statement was not misleading, it simply confirmed the facts about the power of the XBox.