Some Geforce 3 screens for you!

nv2a a generation ahead of nv20?...LOL

it\'s going to be faster and that\'s it(same graphic level of nv20 but will run it at 60fps;))

geforce3(pc version) is pretty amazing..and no it will not cost 600$ for us PC users(hercules prophetIII: 529$...very good price for this card i expected something in the 600+$ range) and the prophet III will be here march...i\'m getting one.

geforce3...AMD athlon 800mhz..asus mobo..256MB pc133 ram...i\'m set for the next 2 years:D

Ok, the thing I don\'t understand is.. if the NV2A is going to be a full generation ahead of the NV20, then how will that power translate into a game console with a CPU that\'s going to be as old as dirt in (in computer time) by the time it\'s released?

I mean, everything I\'ve seen and heard about the G4 indicates that it blows away the Pentium III.. outpreforming a 1.5ghz chip while running at only 500mhz. Now I know that the PIII in the Xbox is going to be slightly modified to handle the load better, but it\'s still going to be dogging the system down when compaired to the other processors MS COULD have put in it.

So what I\'m getting at is that while the GeForce3 working with the G4 can produce those kind of graphics, how is the 733(I think)mhz PIII in the Xbox going to handle an even more advanced GPU? Most Xbox fans I talk to say that the PIII won\'t be bearing any significant workload like the EE in the PS2 does, and the NV2A is what will really be pusing the Xbox. What will the preformance loss be? If the card is a generation ahead of the GeForce3, but takes on twice the workload, wouldn\'t that represent a huge bottleneck in the system? Is that why MS and Nivida are making the Xbox GPU a full generation ahead of the GeForce3.. because the inadequacies of the rest of the hardware will cut the NV2A\'s preformance down to the level of what we\'re seeing in the GeForce3 tech demos?

as for the price, MS will take a huge loss on every unit. I don\'t think MS even cares if they make a profit at all this generation because they are trying to get there foot in the door.

Yeah but the Shareholders will tare Gates a new Rectum if MS stock starts to take a swan dive.

Note

the PS2 had a massive drop in share value when it was reveled that only a hand full of PSX games would not work on the new console.

MS Will make a loss and it will effect them , remember Gates has the money they don\'t

and yeah everyone is right DDyral you are tuning into a Microsoft Fan Boy?

i beleve that can be fatal For Moderator, seeing that you ARE meant to keep order and not just pour Ligher fuel on a flame war.

1) Ddaryl isn\'t a Xbox fanboy. People who think so might want to look in a mirror to see if they themselves aren\'t the problem...

2) The GPU in Xbox is even better/faster/more advanced than the GF3.

3) MS has LOTS of money. They can sell Xbox with a loss if they want to. Plus the fact that they buy in bulk numbers (millions) - they don\'t exactly pay the same price as consumers.

4) Stop being so worried about Xbox and either:
a) Buy the thing and enjoy lots of great games, graphics and online games.
b) Don\'t buy one and be happy with what you\'ve got.

Orginially posted by SonyFan:

I mean, everything I\'ve seen and heard about the G4 indicates that it blows away the Pentium III.. outpreforming a 1.5ghz chip while running at only 500mhz. Now I know that the PIII in the Xbox is going to be slightly modified to handle the load better, but it\'s still going to be dogging the system down when compaired to the other processors MS COULD have put in it.

So what I\'m getting at is that while the GeForce3 working with the G4 can produce those kind of graphics, how is the 733(I think)mhz PIII in the Xbox going to handle an even more advanced GPU? Most Xbox fans I talk to say that the PIII won\'t be bearing any significant workload like the EE in the PS2 does, and the NV2A is what will really be pusing the Xbox. What will the preformance loss be? If the card is a generation ahead of the GeForce3, but takes on twice the workload, wouldn\'t that represent a huge bottleneck in the system? Is that why MS and Nivida are making the Xbox GPU a full generation ahead of the GeForce3.. because the inadequacies of the rest of the hardware will cut the NV2A\'s preformance down to the level of what we\'re seeing in the GeForce3 tech demos?

You know this is actually a great question and it is one that I asked myself early on!

One thing that is great about the Xbox is that the PIII is for AI and small routines only!  In a PC the CPU calculates the meshes for a model, in the Xbox the GPU will use do that work and do it several times faster than the CPU. I\'ll explain:


  **If you have a monster 3d acclerator (GF2 GTS or higher
    and you see slowdown its because the CPU is calculating
    the meshes and T&L engine is saying "bring it faster"
    but because of PC architecture you are slowed down not
    only by bus constraints,memory bandwidth,CPU. With the
    NV20 the memory bandwidth is solved with the memory
    crossbar but the PC still has a bottleneck in AGP bus.
    And as far the CPU the T&L engine is more than ample to
    handle the mesh drawings which a texture mapped and
    ready to go for animation! The bus problem is also
    solved by AMD\'s \'Hypertransport\' technology.

So when the T&L is free to do the meshes then the models will be drawn much faster then you have more triangles per second. Hope this helps!

Originally posted by Samwise
1) Ddaryl isn\'t a Xbox fanboy. People who think so might want to look in a mirror to see if they themselves aren\'t the problem...

2) The GPU in Xbox is even better/faster/more advanced than the GF3.

3) MS has LOTS of money. They can sell Xbox with a loss if they want to. Plus the fact that they buy in bulk numbers (millions) - they don\'t exactly pay the same price as consumers.

4) Stop being so worried about Xbox and either:
a) Buy the thing and enjoy lots of great games, graphics and online games.
b) Don\'t buy one and be happy with what you\'ve got.
 

Sorry Samwise but i said

and yeah everyone is right DDyral you are tuning into a Microsoft Fan Boy?

i beleve that can be fatal For Moderator, seeing that you ARE meant to keep order and not just pour Ligher fuel on a flame war.

and it is true, i only said he is starting to sound like a fanboy from what i am hearing ( HENCE THE ?) (sorry if my grammar is not up to scrath ), plus he should defuse a situation like this rather and add more fire to the debate, He is a Mod after all and you guys have to keep order.

p.s.
i am not trying to tell you guys how to run this, but shoulden\'t this be in the Console Debating Forum ?

this is one of many  threads that have been incorrectly posted, off topic should be light hearted and not full on console DEBATING !

please do something about this !

i don\'t see why ProfessorX Should be imune to the rules like the rest of us.

Plus ProfessorX, please remeber the Console debating forum is for talk about OTHER consoles, Seeing that this is a PLAYSTATION 2 site, it is hard to see why X BOX news should take priority over everything else.

IF you want X Box news and debate then GO TO A X BOX FORUM !

 
 SO JOIN MY SAVE THE OFF TOPIC FORUM GROUP

and stop posting anything that can be regarded as Serious .

IT IS MEANT TO BE OFF TOPIC AFTER ALL !

Move this thread to console debating.

Originally posted by ProfessorX
Move this thread to console debating.

Thanks You ProfessorX, you have gained much repect from me for that post.

Well, sorry to disappoint, but technically this post belongs in off-topic. It was about GeForce 3, not Xbox. So it\'s not console debating but a discussion about a graphics card. But now it\'s kinda about Xbox, so perhaps I\'ll move it. For now I\'ll leave it though.

And I still don\'t believe Ddaryl is a fanboy. Just because he\'s a mod doesn\'t mean he doesn\'t have opinions or that he has to swallow all Pro-PS2 / Anti-Xbox talk. Just because he doesn\'t say "Yeah, Xbox sucks" doesn\'t mean he\'s a fanboy. Quite the opposite in fact.

ok then point taken, that gose for DDyarl and the Ge Force 3 card.

it was not the fault of DDyarl or anyone else that this post started as a Ge force 3 thread, and then developed in to a X Box thread.

But you do have to agree that it is a little ot in Depth for a Off topic Thread, theyre meant to be fun and light hearted .

Ok, I\'ll move this into Console Debating, seeing as how it\'s mostly about Xbox.

Thank you Samwise, you and DDyarl have earned even more respect from me for that move .

That is a given, otherwise it will never launch. How much better is still up in the air, as is whether it will make a dent in PS2\'s market share. While I find fishy the claim the xbox will include a card that performs better than the gforce3 and still sell in $300 dollar range, I also find it completely plausible. A loss of several billion $$$ for the next few years is not so mind boggling or foolish considering the potential payoff involved. The number of video game and internet users is still in the early stage of a steep growth curve not soon to be halted, short of a major world wide disaster. MS wanting as big a share as it can grab is nothing to squabble over. It only means keeping Sony on [their] toes to force out the best PS2 can offer ASAP, ushering in the on time arrival of the PS3.

Chrono, what are you thinking? That Billy is a baaaad man, his console will have to be over priced or noooo good, ddaryl must be a MS sucker turncoat or mole? Stop feeding the hate. It really bothers me to see a mind as fine as ddaryl\'s catching crap for looking forward to the xbox, especially when it comes from another good head like yours, Chrono. Hate blinds. We must endeavor to keep it from our sight.

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Originally posted by Chrono
ddaryl, you have become a MS fanboy
even defending them in the IGN ps2 forum,
of which people flammed you
you gave no good reasons why it would be 300 dollars.. I have lot all respect in you and thats why i\'m leaving this forum... thanks for nothing

for anybody that cares to see what ddaryl has become...
http://boards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=3128606&replies=42

BTW, ddaryl
MS is all about money
if they don\'t make money, their stock plunders
they are spending 500 million on advertising
gamespot said the geforce 3 is hard and expensive to produce... the x-box won\'t be cheap
MS HAS to make money... thats how it works, its really sad what you have become

Whats sad is a few things. This contast fighting bewteen you two. Also why do you get the notion that MS is only about money? Well, they are. But so is Sony. Sony doesn\'t care about gamers. They are a company. Nothing more.

And MS won\'t launch at over $300. It can\'t compete with a high price tag over that. Just my opinion.

I dunno, I think Xbox will be successful even if they launch for over 300 dollars. Expecially considering that everyone who bought a MS product after 6/00 is contractually bound to have make an Xbox purchase upon it\'s release. Anyone failing to do so will be fined up to 2,000 dollars. You guys should really learn to read the "Terms and Conditions" boxes that pop up when you install new MS software.    j/k

Really, I don\'t see why everyone is getting so bent out of shape over other members getting a bit excited about the Xbox. It\'s just a console after all, a heap of plastic and circitry. F*ck it, I hope they are successful with the Xbox. That\'s more competition to make future games from all the different companies better. I mean, why are we all Sony Playstation fans anyway? Because we think they\'ll win this little pissant war? No, it\'s because we\'re looking forward to some kick ass games, and as long as Sony can deliver those games.. why should anyone care what else happens in the gaming community?

As far as I\'m concerned, I\'m still not buying an Xbox. I really don\'t care for MS as a company, and I don\'t see anything substancial that it\'s offering that Sega and Sony aren\'t already providing. That\'s just me though. If and when Xbox can prove to me that it\'s worth the extra money, then I\'ll look into it. But just because I\'m not excited about it, dosen\'t mean I have to be stupid enough to think that everyone should see things my way.

Granted this is a PS2 oriented forum, but moreover it\'s a gamer\'s forum and as long as the main forum, which is dedicated to PS2, isn\'t constantly clogged by Xbox, Sega, and Nintnedo threads.. then I don\'t see any reason to not allow people to ocassionally chat about other consoles they are excited about without getting treated like their on trial.