Reasons not to get an NGC

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"this is the sound a dog makes"

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ummm ok that was a good spam

well i think that it is only accpetable that a sequel follow the first in some way or form - if a game doesn\'t have what the 1st one had then it alienates it self from the other game and makes the fan feel alienated from the game

that is something i can not stand is when a game totally changes from the original - for this happened with Legend of Mana - it went from beautiful story[Secret of Mana] to nothing at all...and i mean literally nothing...that alone made me mad that i bought the game and also made me not play it

mario/sonic/banjoe/DK all feel the same becasue well they are all of the same format - think about it - how many platformers do you not go around and collect some sort of item - whether it be a coin/banana/ or some dot on the screen. It all comes down to the fact that this is the way a platformer is made.

Every game genre follows some sort of format. FPS always let you collect weapons off the ground..stupid to say that...but is that not the same as collecting rings or bananas. Even horror survival all seem the same...all thge Resident Evils seem liek the same damn game if you ask me - and they all mostly have the same plot...save you ass and find out abou what the hell is going on.

The reason so many games follow the format is because it is successful. Games that follow this format are genreally good games. Mario/Sonic/DK/Banjo are all great games - each with something a little different and new to make them DIFERENT.

VF is hardly a game to use as an example...for one it is a fighting game, which those hardly ever change from the original, or else it would be pretty much a diferent game altogether.

It comes down to one fact all games of a genre usually are similar in some ways - but the depth and the way it is pulled off make the games diferent.

there i am done with that and know that this is my opinion.

hey, I think you made it alot more clear than I could\'ve made it for Jumpman.

But he still likes to cause a ruckus with me. Lemme respond to him.:

1st: see Sublimes post. All those games are the same. picking up a different item or using a different set of characters/bad guys does not make the games that much different than each other.

2nd: RPG\'s and platoformers are much different than eachother in what SHOULD be expected out of a sequel. A platformer sequel should have something new and exciting to make the same game more fun (see 3d bonus levels for sonic 2, etc.) If you change the gameplay of an rpg from start to a true sequel (ff1 to ff7 are not true sequels as there is no continuum), than every fan of the original will scream in an outrage. PS is not a rehash simply because the story lines are continued and do not always focus on saving or capturing something.

what was different about mario1 to mario 2 to mario 3 in terms of gameplay? what? now you can fly and dig up onion looking things! wow! new and fresh? you mean a jump in a different spot? a racoon tail instead of a leaf? exciting!

3rd. Read above, I can not explain this any clearer, it seems everyone now has seen what I have been saying but you.

4th. i just aded the bowser statement for no reason (althoguh it does bring up another point of a different argument). You said the gameplay of Mario 2 is VASTLY different than Mario 1. Well obviously, since it isnt a REAL mario game! just some sham that NoA pulled and changed the characters around on us! Whoa!

5th. being able to dig up stuff is a new feature? being able to run then fly is a new feature. Some how both of these can change the gameplay completely different, but VF making you CHANGE the way you play it at different times is not changing the gameplay? hmm, thats weird. Let\'s see, how many people agree with Jumpmans statement?  So how bad does the truth hurt? (don\'t add little gay phrases on the end of paragraphs, it makes you sound liek awhiny little *****)

6th: I don\'t really know how to answer this. As you never replied to my question, just made fun of me. Give me a way they couldve ended the game, while still providing a way for Ryo to go to Hong Kong and still avenge his fathers death.

7th. so you are agreeing with me? there is more than 10! in fact, when you don\'t miss the scenes, which is a hard thing to do, you have to fight alot more times than 10 (or 13 as you recanted your statement)

8th. you said that I said CBFD sucked, I never said that. You were putting words in my mouth to try making your point come across. I refuted your flase accusations, making you look like a jackass. People were praising CBFD, and it really is just another Banjo/DK, etc.

9th. I dont think you are getting my point (still!) I am not saying that DK 1 and DK2 are the same (even thoguh they would be), I am saying that Nintendo can  dress up their platformers any way they like, be it mature, kiddy, mario, etc, they are all going to have the same gameplay as eachother.

VF has new features such as an evade button, that YES, vastly differs the gameplay. It also has different levels of fighting that, YES, makes you change the way you fight!

10th: That\'s nice, I really don\'t care how you felt about that game, I think all those games are nice too, albeit they are quite all alike (like I have been Saying), while SA, another game I really enjoy, was hugely different than those 3, as speed is a factor, not found in the other three.

Find someone who can disagree with me w/o any bias.

(IE: Finding Trin or N-Player would be pushing it)

Eric Jacob

I see Mario games as being just like watching basketball or any other sport.

In basketball, you know the goal is to score the most points (Storyline), and this is always the same in every basketball game.

The only thing is, is that even though you know each and every time what they are trying to do, the game (gameplay) is new and exciting every time.  Thus, getting tons of people to watch it (buy it), and make a good profit.


That is all I have to say for now...   (Goes back to playing Zelda: Ocarina of Time)

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
No NiGHTS 2, not by Yuji Naka anyways, as he has said that classics are better left alone. If they were going to make a sequel, wouldnt they have done it for DC while they could?

Then why do they keep making Sonic games (with NiGHTS ads in them?  I really think a NiGHTS 2 is coming, and it will be in full 3D this time round.  The DC still has a good year left, I would think you knew that...

A SF or two? are you sure? That controller doesn\'t lok too good on the hands for fighting games. I guess they got the most out of the DC pad, maybe they can whirl up some magic for the GC.

At least you said "it doesn\'t look", and didn\'t go ahead and say it sucks or something stupid like that.  I\'ve read the controller is very comfortable and will suit many different types of games.  But I\'ll wait and see.  Just don\'t rule out games because of the shape of the controller, K?

Alot of the companies you named are 2nd party. Notice I said Third. As Nintendo will have a low amount.

Konami
Universal
Capcom
EA
Sega
Namco
Midway
Acclaim

All the big players are there.   And they have a big inhouse developement team, I don\'t see any problems...

The fact that Sonic collects rings is irrelevant. The point I was trying to make (and must of succeeded, as you ar the only one refuting my point) was, sarcastically, DK and Mario are the same game.

I really hate to do this, but you made me.  Crazy Taxi and Jet Grind Radio are the same.  Both have you go around a city, Tag/ pick up, and get a high score.  Just a different setting (you know, like Mario has a different setting then DK)  Samba De Amigo and Crackin DJ are the same, Daytona and Sega Rally are the same.  (   I\'m just doing what you are, making generalizations rather than look at their differences that make the games what they are)

Mario 2 is not a real mario game, anyone that plays Mario games (including me) knows that. In every game, isnt it the goal to beat Bowser though?

It still had Mario, so yes, it is a Mario game.  A different story line, so it wouldn\'t be a rehash, would it.  Mario 3 introduced the Koopa clan (the kids), a different story.  So it wasn\'t a rehash.  Mario World had you save the Yoshi\'s and princess, not a rehash.  

And I don\'t agree with your whole Phantasy Star thing.  
Same objective and same play mechanics.  This seems more rehash than anything.  Where\'s the innovation?

I really like Zelda but i really really hate that Pokemon franchise...if GC is gonna be corrupted by that Pikachu.. im going to do a "figure 4  leg-lock" submission move on Yamauchi.

Originally posted by Ginko

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Mario 2 is not a real mario game, anyone that plays Mario games (including me) knows that. In every game, isnt it the goal to beat Bowser though?

It still had Mario, so yes, it is a Mario game.  A different story line, so it wouldn\'t be a rehash, would it.  Mario 3 introduced the Koopa clan (the kids), a different story.  So it wasn\'t a rehash.  Mario World had you save the Yoshi\'s and princess, not a rehash.

Altered is right. Mario 2 was not a real Mario game. It was some weird japanese game that was converted into Mario characters to be released in the US. They were just trying to cash in on the Mario franchise while it was still hot. *cough*POKEMON*cough*

damn, why do you have to make those posts so damn long?
Oh well, just ignore me, for I have absolutely nothing to add to this

thank you Gohan, I am glad someone knew that was right besides me, I thought maybe I was wrong or something.

Eric Jacob

what it comes down to really is that nre games follow popular earlier games of the same genres to be successful

Mario 64 was a very successful platfomer for Nintendo - so why not make some more Platformers with the same style since that style attracted consumers before - this is what nintendo asks themselves and many other companies do as well

Capcom has released what 4-5 resident evils and all have exactly the same gameplay while each has somehting to add to the story - but thats what sells the game...and people love it

Gran Turismo has evolved with more cars and twicked gameplay but it is still the same game - becasue people relate to the style the game has and that style again attracts consumers

What it comes down to is that almost every great game had an original idea at one time that was successful and then they jsut based the rest of the sequels or game of that genre on that success

is that wrong, by no means no, this only gives another great game with something you can relate to and remind you of how much you loved the earlier game - sometimes a dev will risk adding a big change and this can make a game better or can just ruin a game.

games come down to Public acceptance and if something is already accepted one way - why change it?

"If your a die hard Mario/Zelda/Metroid/Pokemon fan, by all means go for it. Everything else, I\'d still stick to Sega/Sony. Nintendo isn\'t gonna stand that much of a chance in the sport/racing/FPS/fighting games."

 This was the N64 era--Don\'t expect the same thing.

 Why does Sega/Sony have everything else? (besides Sega\'s diverse 1st/2nd parties) 3rd parties, thats why. The NGC\'s 3rd party situation won\'t be the same as the N64\'s, thats for sure. In fact, it is looking to be better, a lot better.

"Namco supported N64 - what did it get out? RR64 and Pac Man Maze Madness. WOW!"

 Actually, Namco let another company do RR64... I\'m not sure about Pac Man though. That is a VERY different situation then, and you should know it, too.

http://cube.ign.com/news/31962.html

Seems that Namco is sporting a big loss because of Sony\'s lack of Ps2 consoles. Now they\'re \'throwing their support\' behind the NGC and have at least 2 titles planned (for now.... Quick ports, no less): RRV and TTT. But, thats better than nothing. Besides, Namco has always wanted to become majorly multi-platform.

"Capcom had like 3 games, one, RE2, was jut a port from PSX."

Again, that was a different situation. It was the N64, not the NGC. Capcom has become a huge multi-platform company, and it plans to release every release simultaineously across platforms (as soon as they\'re out, at least).  Heck, they already have an exclusive title planned: Resident Evil: Zero. And it even happens to be a mature one...

"only one of those games were made by Sony. None. And I have hardly EVEr, if EVER, defended Sony, as my hatred for them runs nearly as deep as it does for Nintendo. Sony has actually done some very neat things with games, like Twisted Metal."

 Yeah, they have... but aren\'t you forgetting the constant rehashes that came out of that series, Twisted Metal?

"Sega hasn\'t commited anything to GC yet, so you can\'t claim fighting, RPG, or racing fromt hem. Sonic may be the only thing to go over, since it is for a younger audience."

 Don\'t expect anything to be said until at least E3... But they will be supporting them--Heck, the rumours about the Nintendo<->Sega RPG seem to be true.  

"EA Sports is crap, sorry, that is MO. Sega BETTER be making sports for GC, otherwise, the same old garbage will be pumped out year after year."
 
 Well lots of people like their games, despite your opinions. While I would agree that Sega\'s Sports are better in some areas (NFL2K is the closest sports title for me that I\'ve gotten close to actually liking).

"i did, and I stand by everything I said in that thread, they are trying to cover there tracks by publishing a maturr game, too bad it isn\'t that good, and the humor is incredibly immature."

 Thats funny... Last thing i heard it was getting great reviews. No, its not a mature game and was never reallly meant to be one of those titles. It sports those things like toilet humor. But, you can read on that in the other thread.

"How else do I give an example of a company that makes original games in comparison to Nintendo without including Sega? They both make systems (well, made for Sega), first parties, have mascots, etc. Sega just makes different games every once in a, oh say month, in comparison to hmm Nintendo, as I cannot remember how long it has been."

 You\'re right--I think Sega does make more original and innovative ideas than Nintendo does (at least recently). Shenmue, Ecco, Seaman, etc..

"you obviously did not get my point about Mario/Banjo/Donkey Kong. They are all the same game! if you think Sonic, PSO and VF are the same game, whew! and I already established that no VF has ever been rehashed, nor any PS, as they all have differing storylines and a continuum of gameplay, as Mario games all have the same storyline."

 While they probably use the same/similar engine, they are very different (Well, at least Mario is to Banjo and DK).

"OH!! nevermind, you were right! after all, Mario collects coins and Donkey Kong collects bananas, you were right! my mistake!"

Actually, in Mario 64, Mario really didn\'t collect coins, he collected stars. BUT, not in the sense of DK. It was a level, a stage, beat it and get a star. All the games are similar, because they\'re all platformers... 3D platformers.

"Alot of the companies you named are 2nd party. Notice I said Third. As Nintendo will have a low amount."

Right now they definately have a small amount. However, I expect that to grow... especially after E3.

"i didnt say it sucked. I said it isnt as good as hype says it is. It is just another platform on a Nintendo system, read: banjo, Mario, DK, etc. but THIS time, their is farting and naughty language! COOL!!!"

 Have you played it yet? Have the reviewers? What are they saying?

"People were praising CBFD, and it really is just another Banjo/DK, etc."

yes, I have played it, for about 3 hours, and I am telling you, it\'s not that great. Babbages gets advanced copies that the employees can check out, if you know what I mean.



Plus, much of the stuff that I said, in which yuo quoted me on, were figurative, or very, very slight sarcasm (TM). They are all similar, not because they are all 3D platofrmers, they are similar because the gameplay is slower, and more bouncy and stuff.

Saying SDonic Adventure is like those three because it is a 3D platformer, would be a gross mistatement, simply because it is totally different. Notice I didn\'t say these games sucked, I just said that they were all basically the same.

Eric Jacob

I see.

 Just one question:

  When you work for a company like Software Etc. or Babbages, do you get discounts on the stuff there? Or do they allow you to play the games and all early?

 Thanks

it depends on the game company. Usually Nintendo is not so nice about sending stuff out early, but I guess they want Babbages to create alot of hype by having the employees work for it.


You get a 20% discount on everything Barnes and Noble( B and N, Babbages, S etc., Gamestop) except for on systems, which varies.

You can check out games whenever you like, as long as there is more than 2 copies in the store, of course that might just be a rule made by the manager at that particular store, maybe the other ones dont allow checking games out?

Eric Jacob

dang that sounds pretty cool

i may just have to check out working at the local one here

as much as i go there - the people know me by name now

i go there a lot btwn classes and the employees there are cool and mostly know what they are talking about