PS2 and DEVELOPERS along w/ the GC and XBOX all in one thread

The Japanese created Hello Kitty, Dating Sims and Pokemon. What\'s so damn great about the japanese? Atari for the most part started this ****, they\'re 100% US...

Well Japanese like those kind of games.
Oh yes.. The Japanese created
MGS1, MGS2, GT3, Devil May Cry, REgames, Tekken, FinalFantasy, Shenmue

Japanese created all the GOOOD games!
US game suck most of the time. (not all but most of them), but they can make some great games.
European games also suck.. But Europeans can make some great gams aswell.

I think Japanese makes the best games..

/FASTson

Originally posted by Caspian
WHen you talk about Square I must get involved. In all logical and proffesional opinions Square is going no where. I wll say that the only game i exspect will ever go to any other system will be FFXI, which is completly online. And that is exspected to go to PS2 and X-Box. Ofcourse the PC too. Square has siad in press releases. 2 in fact. That Final Fantasy 12 will be released only on the PS2. It stands to reason that if FFX is only on PS2 and FFXII is only on PS2 that Square is not going anywhere. I could also bring up Financial statements, Buisness contracts, and other odds and ends.

No Worries

I\'m not going to say this as fact or anything, but I did read something not too long ago about Square and Nintendo.

Square wants to develope for GBA, Nintendo said " Sure, but only on one condition, that you make X amount of games for GC."

Square said "Okay, cool."

Well, it didn\'t go exactly like that, but close.

Like said earlier,  there aren\'t any facts to throw around on either side.  So no reason to argue.

What contracts?  Financial statements?  Whose to say Square can\'t make money on another system?  Not you by any means...

Odds and ends?  What odds and ends;)...

Originally posted by Caspian

In all logical and proffesional opinions Square is going no where.

How cute?  He considers himself professional...


I\'m just messing with you and your crystal ball,  no worries...

Nontindo has flat out stated that no Square game will ever be on any nontindo Console. This has been in numerous press releases.

Ginko, I would never call my self a proffesiona. I, however, am well informed. My thesis was on Square and its Busness practises. I have not disrespected you in any way. Why must you insult me?

No Worries

I put a winky guy in there for humor and so you wouldn\'t be insulted...I\'m sorry.  

But anyway, after those numerous releases, another release came out stating that Square will make 2 games for GC, so then they can develop for GBA.  

You don\'t remember the huge controversy over what games they might be?  Everyone was throwing a fit and saying that there is no way in hell a FF game would come out on GC, and blah blah blah.

But like I said, I\'m not 100% positive on this.

I apoligize then, I thought the wink meerly reinstated your piont not made up fr it. My mistake.

I remmember ps2.ign.com making a very big deal about Yamauchi saying that he would never let a Square game on any of thier systems. I am going to look into the article about Square releaseing 2 games for the Gamcube so they can blah blah blah. . .

Finally I would like to say i am not a Blind Square loyalist. Granted I dont think Square will develope outside of the PS2, but these are just the facts i have obtained. IM open to all possibilities. After all it is only a company after a greater profit margan. So I guesse you can say I am a Realistic Square Loyalist. I hope I am never one of those people who just say "Square will never leave PS2 because they make moeny thier"

Originally posted by fastson


Well Japanese like those kind of games.
Oh yes.. The Japanese created
MGS1, MGS2, GT3, Devil May Cry, REgames, Tekken, FinalFantasy, Shenmue

Japanese created all the GOOOD games!
US game suck most of the time. (not all but most of them), but they can make some great games.
European games also suck.. But Europeans can make some great gams aswell.

I think Japanese makes the best games..

/FASTson

MGS=American story, characters and setting, made by japanese, influenced  by american movies.

GT3=Isnt that Europoean based? I dont follow racing, but Japan isnt known for it...

RE=see MGS

The last 3 you got me on, and Devil May Cry is... well, I havent seen much about it...

My point is, the best things coming out of japan, arent very japanese. And for every AAA game hyped up coming from japan, theres a sleeper hit of equal quality coming from the US or Europe... everyone gives japan too much credit...

MGS=American story, characters and setting, made by japanese, influenced by american movies.

GT3=Isnt that Europoean based? I dont follow racing, but Japan isnt known for it...

RE=see MGS

The last 3 you got me on, and Devil May Cry is... well, I havent seen much about it...

That still doesn`t change the fact that these games originate from japanese developers.
 
Japanese based developers 99% of the time develop for Japan first and the rest of the world second.

If Microsoft can`t intice japanese software houses to produce exclusive titles and not ports (a-la MGSX) for the XBox, Microsoft may have a very hard time breaking into the Japanese gaming market, which to my knowlegde is the largest in the world with the US second.

Without that slice of the gaming pie, Microsoft will have to rely on America, Europe and the pacific nations to buy its product. Since Sony has a firm hold on all of these markets including Japan, Microsoft will have to perform that much better in these territories just to even keep up with Sony.

Personally I think Microsoft WILL have an extremely difficult time busting into the eastern markets.
Maybe Microsoft could invent its own territory ruled by Bill and they could call it Hells Gates j/k , where everyone who lived there owned an XBox and only played Microsoft games. Then maybe Microsoft may have a chance at being number 1.


PS. Japs have and always will make the best games

Originally posted by IronFist
Yeah, I read it.  While it did have some good points, I think the PS2 is going to do just fine -- especially now because of all of the bad news about the Xbox (in console debating).  
There are so many things that will prevent the Xbox from taking the #1 spot. (Lack of interest in Japan, lack of support from some developers, rumored delay until 2001 in Japan, awful profits, etc.)
The Gamecube in general, like many have said, is made for a younger audience than the PS2.  
This will leave the PS2 all alone at the top of the console war.

I don\'t know how you come to some realization that a few bad posting in a console debating forum will stray ppl away from xbox. If that was the case then nobody would have a ps2. I really don\'t care about the console war. Because I have ps2 and I am getting a xbox. I think we will start seeing developers doing more 3rd parties titles because they have to make money. And if they can captilize on xbox audience or gamecube no doubt they will try. I think the past few years of sony have all the strong titles will fade bacause there are 3 strong consoles. Sega did not have the money to stand up against sony, and nintendo hardware was lacking. Now we got MS that has the hardware and money and now nintendo has better hardware. So I think as a gamer it is a win win situation.

Byatch-I not saying no good stuff comes out of Japan, I\'m saying it isn\'t better than the US or Europe at making great games. Everyone\'s free to kiss any countries ass they want, but closed minded gamers rely too much on the products of that one market...

Also, UK developers aim their games at the UK market first and formost. US companies do the same with the US market. Theirs nothing special about Japanese developers keeping japanese gamers in mind...
I\'ll also point out that every major developer in every market, japan included, except Square, has pledged XB support...


As for your last sentence, i\'ll simply say, creative people make the best games, not just \'japs\'. They have a over 5:1 crap to classic games ratio. That\'s not better than the US or UK or French, etc companies...

Very true, don`t mind what I say though because I am extremely biased towards Japanese games when it comes to consoles. I just hope the XBox gets some top quality stuff that isn`t already being done on the PC or other consoles.

Originally posted by Caspian
I remmember ps2.ign.com making a very big deal about Yamauchi saying that he would never let a Square game on any of thier systems. I am going to look into the article about Square releaseing 2 games for the Gamcube so they can blah blah blah. . .

Anything Yamauchi says should be taken with a grain of salt. He REALLY hates Squaresoft(you know the whole backstabbing thing). He was just giving his opinion. A lot of people have said that his reaction to the questions about Square may have been because he didn\'t like that they were going to develop for the Gamecube. But nothing has been confirmed so it is all speculation. Lets just wait until E3 when it will all be sorted out.

Byatch- My favorite games are Jumping Flash and Deception, both (to my knowledge) Japanese games, and I wish MS the best in Japan, but if they arent 1st in Japan, I don\'t think it\'s game over for them...  If it weren\'t for Sega\'s debt, they could have coasted in the US and Europe w/DC for a full generation...

Friend Gohan,

I am still firm in my opionions of Square and consoles. Weather Square develops for GBA, however much I feel it to be unlickly since they are suporting the WonderSwan Color with all thier might, I must realize that it is a possibility. And the articile I was revering to was not the Bloomberg Interview, but the actuall Nontindo Press-Release. Ign had the title "No More Square rumors" I believe. I plan on buying all the consoules So I dont care if Sqaure developes for any other company\'s. I just like to have my facts in line. Especially when it comes to square.

No Worries

Thats cool man. I understand. We will just have to wait until E3 to get all the "facts" sorted out.