Former XBOX fan, new to this forum, needs info

Another bit of info:

If you are a fan of the World Rally Championship then sony have brought the licence for 5 years. This console will
be the only place that you will see official drivers/logos/stages/car decals etc.... This is one hell of a big bonus for me.

Originally posted by Leatherface
I\'d just like to say hey, I used to post over at msxbox quite a bit and after what I saw yesterday, I just yawned real loud

Leatherface, there are three XBox related events this month. Gamestock is one, it was just the beginning, now it\'s over. Next week (20th-24th) we have the Games Developers Conference (GDC) which is usually a good event for major announcements, and an opportunity for developers to show off! Then there\'s the Tokyo Game Show (TGS) at the end of the month (Bill Gates will be present also).

So tell me, you have an awesome XBox game to announce to the world, which event would you choose to show your game for the first time? Think about it!

Hence over the next two weeks, expect many XBox announcements to be made, and a FAR greater range of XBox software to be shown, especially from the best developers.

If afterwards you still feel the same, then fine, cancel your order.

Hey, a new member is always a welcomed member! I don\'t matter if you still would be an X-box fan, if you just wouldn\'t abuse these boards.

But, for a change, it\'s nice to hear really negative thoughts about X-box; from an experienced FAN. Your posts will be interesting to read

Ah, you seem much like me ( expect I would buy x-box if I had the money... and I think you would too ) - buying GBA and all ( if enough money that is, again ). So forth, I welcome you to the forums!!!

You will find lots of interesting personalities. Let me introduce some of our regulars here to you, Leatherface...

Samwise - The newest moderator. Nice, funny and wise. And handsome
MM - a schitzophrenic with splitted personality. Actually he owns a chimp named Clyde and he lets Clyde to post here sometime
SoulGrind - The God of terror and Evil.
ddaryl - an unbiased mod. Wery Wise.
Darth Joyda ( that\'s me ) - sometimes posts like crazy, and usually tries to post long and thoughtful posts. Sometimes failing and completely turning the thread upside down actually
BJORN!!!! - The Boss. I should\'ve had introduced him first. But he\'s da Boss. Every positive reply you get from him is a great honour. Really nice fella\', and the creator of this site!
Adan - crazy Spanish person. Has a cool pic
SublimeSjg - you notice him for his hilarious mouse-pic!
Deadly Hamster - the hamster with a deadly pic. A moderator-fellow of mine in another forum.
Solid Snake 88 - Crazy poster. MGS -fan, apparently Likes crawling in the snows of Alaska.
unknown - was once the craziest and fastest poster on this board. Got some sense, slowed down a little ( just kidding - has always been smart )
And YET SO many nice members I haven\'t introduced. Get to know them yourself. My apology to everyone un-mentioned! You just didn\'t pop into my head right now

About the Troll -systema.

Everyone who\'s a jack4ss here; that means spamming, bashing a specific console all the time ( doesn\'t have to be ps2 to achieve troll-pic ). Annoys moderators or admins too much, doesn\'t obey their orders... and so on.

And don\'t fear. If you somehow turn to be annoying you will be warned first.

[ after posting, spits all the sh1t out of his mouth, goes and brushes his teeth, and comes back ]

-the consequences of serious arsekissing -

Welcome to the best PS2 forum in the world.

Well, thanx for the insult, buddy.  I\'m a regular at MSXbox and I\'m also a regular at these forums.  You\'re to blame for your disappointment.  You are too stupid to realize that games 7 months from launch aren\'t going to be anywhere near complete.  All of the games at GameStock were 50% or less complete.  Hell, Project Gotham was put together in 4 weeks!  Most people in here like you were expecting CG quality graphics even though the games are incomplete and the dev-kits were incomplete.  I know you have to be smarter than you seem, because anyone with clear thinking faculties knows that games shown seven months prior to a system\'s release isn\'t going to reflect the power of a system.  I don\'t care how easy a system is supposed to be to program for.  

What pisses me off are the guys that compare 4 week old Gotham code to 3 year old GT3: A-Spec code.  Now, I believe Xbox will be a great system, but a developer just can\'t cut and paste code and expect everything to be magically upgraded.  The fact of the matter is that 4 week old code held it\'s own against GT3: A-Spec.  Imagine what the game will look like when it\'s actually FINISHED!!! You can\'t compare 10% of  a game on 50% of hardware to a 90% game on 100% hardware.  That\'s unfair and unrealistic.

Leatherface, you have to understand that GameStock was not intended to be a graphical Xbox showcase, but rather it was intended to show that Microsoft did indeed have first party titles in development for the Xbox, and we got to see what they were.  Now tell me, what other company will be launching with more first party titles than Microsoft?  That\'s what the show was attempting to show you.  Every intellecutally honest person knows that the Xbox will be 3 times more powerful than PS2, so there was no need for MS to try and prove that.  You are acting like this is how the games will look at launch.  If it were August or September, yeah, I would be worried too.  But, dammit, it\'s March!  E3 hasn\'t even come yet, nor has the GDC or TGS.  Stop jumping to conclusions before you see the whole picture.  People like you are hard to understand because you bash Microsoft for not living up to your unreasonably high expectations.  I guess Microsoft could have put together a few high-end Toy Story-like, non-playable demos of how Xbox games WILL LOOK LIKE ON FINISHED HARDWARE, but then you would complain that "Xbox is screwed because the games weren\'t playable!"  Some people just can\'t be pleased.  If you act this way toward Xbox, no console is good enough for you.  Just quit gaming.

[nO-One]

Grrr Darth you didn\'t include me:rpissed:.The happy poster with all the whitty comments
Now I am mad at you sticks out his tounge to show his discontempt
nah just kidding you know I love\'ya.
Anyhoo welcome to the forums leatherface,enjoy yourself.

Is this a x-box forum?

My humble apology, nO-One

Let me include some I forgot... to you Leatherface:
nO-One - humble, funny and ...erm... "wise" ( just look at his brain-scan-pic and you can see )
Politiepet - funny name, funny pic. Funny person
Dr. Yassam - Debates like no tomorrow. A professional.
Ginko - the devil clown from h3ll. Watch, as he might post you into a bag...
Avatarr - Angel from H3ll. The most evil member after SoulGrind. Was a mod. He writes wisely, thus very evil words.
Hawke - a nice, wipE\'out" freak from Finland ( I\'m from Finland too BTW. ) - and his girlfriend...
SmallLady - Hawke\'s girlfriend. The only girl around. From Finland too. Nice. Havent had time to post here often \'tho.
Simchoy - where has he gone again? Nice person but rarely met

Agh, I won\'t continue as I see this is becoming to be just a list of members. I just can\'t point out something out of everybody! Sorry...

bah!

I get left out of EVERY list we ever make. People always forget about me, its damn annoying.

you don\'t know how many times I get
"Hey, who\'s that hottie in the corner?"

ITS ME!! but don\'t just love me cause of my beautiful face

Originally posted by DirectXbox



Leatherface, you have to understand that GameStock was not intended to be a graphical Xbox showcase, but rather it was intended to show that Microsoft did indeed have first party titles in development for the Xbox, and we got to see what they were.  Now tell me, what other company will be launching with more first party titles than Microsoft?  That\'s what the show was attempting to show you.  Every intellecutally honest person knows that the Xbox will be 3 times more powerful than PS2, so there was no need for MS to try and prove that.  You are acting like this is how the games will look at launch.  If it were August or September, yeah, I would be worried too.  But, dammit, it\'s March!  E3 hasn\'t even come yet, nor has the GDC or TGS.  Stop jumping to conclusions before you see the whole picture.  People like you are hard to understand because you bash Microsoft for not living up to your unreasonably high expectations.  I guess Microsoft could have put together a few high-end Toy Story-like, non-playable demos of how Xbox games WILL LOOK LIKE ON FINISHED HARDWARE, but then you would complain that "Xbox is screwed because the games weren\'t playable!"  Some people just can\'t be pleased.  If you act this way toward Xbox, no console is good enough for you.  Just quit gaming.

Any intellecutall person should know that its more then 3 times more powerfull.  What in hell are you talking about??  Its not 3 times more powerfull, and I doubt that we will ever see any graphics comming from the X-baux that are 3 times more powerfull.  But I guess Im not intellecutally inclined then.  I must be some wandering retard then...  You continue to amaze me with your flagrant posts..  I can understand defending the X-baux to a point....  But your a zealot about it and no one really wants to listen to you anymore.

I was going to give the X-baux a couple thoughts, but more and more I can\'t stand to even say it...

And "GameStock was not intended to be a graphical Xbox showcase" well what in the hell was it for.  All the hype building up to this event was geared toward MS showing its supposed superitority...  Well even the hardcore PC games dissed the X-baux, and some of them are hardcore MS gamers...  ITs not looking good.  So guit lashing out against everyone..  We really don\'t care about your short game commings...  Ok

Originally posted by kirath


Any intellecutall person should know that its more then 3 times more powerfull.  What in hell are you talking about??  Its not 3 times more powerfull, and I doubt that we will ever see any graphics comming from the X-baux that are 3 times more powerfull.  But I guess Im not intellecutally inclined then.  I must be some wandering retard then...  You continue to amaze me with your flagrant posts..  I can understand defending the X-baux to a point....  But your a zealot about it and no one really wants to listen to you anymore.

First of all, let me make my point clear, I was not insulting your intelligence with the term "intellectually honest", however you just insulted yourself by not knowing what it means.    To be intellectually honest means that you have to look at something without bias and stand on neutral ground...kind of like me.  I love my PS2, but the notion that a system three times more powerul than PS2 coming out TWO YEARS after the PS2 hardware was complete, doesn\'t surprise me.  I\'m willing to give the Xbox (not X-baux...is that supposed to be funny?) a chance.  Some weird logic in your head seems to be preventing you from realizing that a newer system will obviously be more powerful than an older system.  I\'m willing to accept that.  Now if I were going around saying, "Xbox will be BETTER than the PS2", you would have good reason to be perturbed.  You may use "BETTER" and "MORE POWERFUL" interchangably, but I don\'t.  Better != more powerful by anyone\'s means.  I won\'t comment on whether or not Xbox will be "better" than the PS2, but I think I\'m not stretching the facts when I say that it will be 3 times more powerful than the PS2.  That\'s not stretching the imagination, that\'s realistic for hardware that is released two years after the previous one.  

Why don\'t you believe that Xbox isn\'t 3 times more powerful than the PS2?  Are you judging by half-baked software and tech demos thrown together in one month?  Are you judging demos on under-powered dev-kits?  If you are, I\'m asking you to reevaluate things a little.  Is that really fair?  Is comparing half-baked software to complete software fair by your standards?  If it is, then that tells alot about you.  An intellectually honest person would realize it and reserve their judgement until the software is more complete or when it is on fair ground.  E3 will be fair ground to make comparisons because new Xbox and new PS2 games will be on display and Xbox fans can\'t say, "well, the games aren\'t anywhere near complete!"  Then we can say, "then why did MS show it at E3?"  Wait until E3.  That sound fair enough to you?

I was going to give the X-baux a couple thoughts, but more and more I can\'t stand to even say it...

Well here\'s a couple of thoughts: Wait until TGS (two weeks) and wait until E3.  Fair enough?

And "GameStock was not intended to be a graphical Xbox showcase" well what in the hell was it for.  All the hype building up to this event was geared toward MS showing its supposed superitority...  Well even the hardcore PC games dissed the X-baux, and some of them are hardcore MS gamers...  ITs not looking good.  So guit lashing out against everyone..  We really don\'t care about your short game commings...  Ok

Yes.  And I stand by that claim.  If all Microsoft wanted to do was show pretty pictures then they would have made all of the games pre-rendered and unplayable.  GameStock is an event where Microsoft shows off that it can deliver content and what this content will be.  E3 will be the Xbox tour de force because Xbox software will be running on 100%(meaning finished) Xbox hardware.  Please, do yourself a favor and wait until E3.  GameStock was a success since we know MS will be launching more first party titles than anyone else.

I compared Gotham to GT3 a-spec,and all i can say is,what is the point in showing a 4 week old code?
People are going to insult it,so dont get your self worried about it,i am sure that in a years time it will look alot better,and i will say that it looks better if it does.

Welcome to the forums and sorry for filling your post with Debating crap.  I realize it should not have happend here, Im just trying to realize peoples points which they mistakenly made in your post..


DirectXBaux if you want to continue lets goto console debating where this belongs..  Agreed...??

And leatherface I hope you enjoy the forums,  there are a lot of good people here and some good discussions..

There certainly are a bunch of haterz here...

hey leather. I got a question for you. How can you be a \'former\' fan of a product that hasn\'t been released yet even? You are basing your opinions on screenshots... If I did that, I\'d have not gotten a PS2... narrowminded is a word that comes to mind...

hey leather. I got a question for you. How can you be a \'former\' fan of a product that hasn\'t been released yet even? You are basing your opinions on screenshots... If I did that, I\'d have not gotten a PS2... narrowminded is a word that comes to mind
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To answer your question Ethugg, I did not have a change of heart based only on graphics.  The games shown, nearly a third of the supposed 30 or so at launch, looked like the gameplay would be lacking or else something I wouldn\'t like. I saw nothing that looked innovative really, even the mighty Halo looked like Tribes with better graphics.  I was pushed away more by this lack of innovation than the graphics.  I have to admit I was initially attracted to the XBOX because of Nvidia\'s rep.  I think they make the best cards in the business.  But the way the games looked were very PC looking, making XBOX look more and more like the stripped PC people have been accusing it of being all along.  PS2 is very solid right now.  In my mind XBOX will have to prove that it can compete.  I\'ll give it a year before I buy it because MS is unproven in this arena.  Many people percieve MS as uncool at least and evil at the most.  We\'ll see...