The console war is going to go like this

let me start with sega:

The sega empire was dead long ago, the saturn was the worst console failure since the american atari..they supported it to the bitter end(and they should get credit for that)..they lost millions upon millions of dollars, but some how some way they lived to fight another day...in comes the sega dreamcast.

The dreamcast lived up to segas expectations..at launch that is...shortly after it\'s sales were FAR FAR below expectations, the software was mostly AAA yet sales NEVER came close to what sega needed to break even...and that\'s not the end of it, sony\'s sleek black console came in october and created demand so high it might never be seen again(until PS3 of coarse;))...then shortly after sega gave up..in november they started talkes with all the console makers to make deals for games...and sega as well as the dreamcast were offically dead..

Today sega software looks to be one of the biggest third party\'s ever...maybe even giving EA good competition, their future is clear:

1)make tons of software(expect many below average games)
2)sell them on sony\'s nintendo\'s and to a lower extent xbox to make as money as they can
3)get out of debt..if that\'s possible
4)get some respect back and be a happy company that provides gamers with great software.

Nintendo:

This company\'s CEO(hiroshi yamauchi) may sound like a mad man some times, but when he talks about the gaming industry he is right most of the time...Nintendo has had 2 successful consoles(the NES and SNES)..but it\'s arrogance is what turned the N64 into a loser. Now don\'t get me wrong, i have a N64 and don\'t regret getting one....but nintendo lost MUCH of it\'s respect to the japanese and lost many third partys...

That failure was a wake up call for them, and i\'m glad it happened, it made a smarter nintendo..a nintendo that knows it CANNOT run the gaming industry any more..instead they now know they have to share it with SONY.....and they know they CANNOT bully developers into making exclusive games for it\'s console...they know they cannot charge outrageous ammounts of money for it\'s new media(miniDVD)....

Today nintendo\'s goal is simple...make very fun games for EVERYONE and make lots of money doing it....make a simple console that is very easy to use..

Nintendo\'s future is like this:

1)Make great games
2)make games for the 18+ market
3)establish the MiniDVD format as a standard(come on it\'s cool;))
4)sell as many consoles as they can and get a respectable 2 place in the console race.
5)they will be a huge part in on-line gaming....with pokemon on-line and mario kart on-line...they will help make on-line gaming a standard for home consoles
6)continue to hold the hand-held market with a iron fist and never letting go.


And now it\'s time for Microsoft:

First let me start off by saying the xbox sucks.

This company\'s goal is simple...prevent sony from ever making the Playstation(2 3 4 whatever) from taking over the living room...why? because the PC is in it\'s last days and the future has nothing to do with the miserable wintel monopoly......

The PS2 IS going to be the start of a revolution...as too what part the PS2 plays is any ones guess, but one thing is clear..it\'s to establish the PS2(or the playstation/sony brand name) as the new computer....Ken kutaragi said the future for SCEI involves a  NEW OS and ULTRA POWERFULL hardware that lets people do everything the could ever imagine on their hardware...why should microsoft fear this?...it has NOTHING to do with wintel.

Microsoft is scared stiff at the thought of what sony can do....sony beat them to the living and they had to do something to stop them..how would they go about this?...in comes xbox.

Even tho microsoft says it\'s intentions for the xbox are "just games"...they are full of ****...it\'s never been about the games..it\'s been about how they could see their death in less than 15 years because of sony\'s control of the living room..because of the new OS that can destroy windows(think of a trojan horse;))...because of how a console can topple the PC almost over-night...

that\'s why microsoft is here.

xbox:

first this is a piece of hardware which is a big disappointment to gamers all over the globe.....it\'s gamestock show was a joke, showing software that looks below PS2 levels and barely passes DC software in terms of graphics...strike one for xbox

Games are pretty damn mediocre to say the least, HALO is a joke, why? no mouse or keyboard support...it\'s going to be at 640 resolution..and the gameplay is nothing revolutionary or new....NFL fever does not come close to the master piece which is madden or NFLK franchises...the other games are all PC ports which will be better on the PC..strike two.

Timing....if they think they will beat sony they need to get off that cronic they are smoking...with a 15+million user-base by fall2001 with the huge number of games for the PS2..with the GCN launching right next to it at launch...this thing has no chance in hell of winning in any territory...stirke three.

xbox future is like this:

1)DOA japan
2)last place in europe,america
3)loose billions for microsoft and it\'s stock holders(stirke 4?)
5)bring nothing new to use GAMERS(be it console or PC)...instead they will ripp-off games to try and establish it\'s self(there is already a mario party and soul reaver ripp-off)
6)after it\'s failure, microsoft will have to make a hard choice..continue to fight a war they cannot win...or try and take over the living some other way...they will get out of the console business.
7)xbox will be forgotten and insulted for years to come...deliver a blow to microsoft they will never recover from.

the grand champion for a second time..SONY

The PS2 is a console that has just taken over my mind...lol

This system is going to be the begging of the new computer age.....instead of big bulky windows-based PC...we will use small sleek and elegant sony made OS based systems with awesome power.....we will be able to do everything on these systems...the biggest advantge they will have will be the price...for a mere 300$ we will  have the power of supercomputers:D...and this power WILL be taken advantage because every system will be the same..or will they?

Not only that but the BB era will get a large push thanks to sony and it\'s playstation systems....in 5 years every person should have BB..thank in part to SONY.

with BB we will be able to download movies and music for a mere price of 100$ a year.

but that is only ONE part of the PS2....great eh?

There is games as well...not just "games" but "great games" such examples like MGS2 and GT3 show that the PS2 can hold it\'s own...and those games are only scratching the surface...

It has such large support games should be available for years and years to come...games for every kind of taste will be available...from sims to FPS...games will not be a problem....the only way SCEI\'s master plan will works is by getting the PS2 into every home possible..games will play 90% of that role...

internet,music,movies will take the other 10%...

PS2 future is like this:

1)rule the gaming market with a iron fist
2)establish sony as the new computer provider
3)establish sony CPU and GPU as the standard
4)pave the way for the PS3 revolution
5)sell 15+million by fall2001
6)will be the start of a new OS...a new computer platform...a new empire in computers.
7)will be enjoyed by 10\'s of millions of people around the globe.



Any questions?

can i get an abbreviated version?

i dont have time to read all that before that bastid mm sticks me back in the cage

The Blue Falcon agrees with most of that well thought out and put together artical.  You have apparently given this a lot of thought!  


X-Box = GPF

check your PM box.

rotflmao

Ths thread completely nullifies any credibility you just had.

First let me start off by saying the xbox sucks.

LOL.

The PS2 is a console that has just taken over my mind...lol

lol is right...

i guess jokes are too hard for jumpmans brain to process..it\'s okay:)

"can i get an abbreviated version?" - Clyde

Hey Clyde, take a greasy poop in your hand and then fling it at a wall. Stare at the smelly brown streak for about 10 minuites. You\'ll get about the same effect as reading what Nplayer just wrote.

Listen Nplayer, your not playing by the rules, your posting console debate topics in the main forum  and now I\'m getting pissed

we have a forum for these topics USE IT !!! This forum is for PS2 topics, not heavily biased opinions on who will win the console war, or why you hate Xbox

cut it out please

Thank you
The management

Sega\'s games will turn to utter crap,eh?

Why would segas games go bad after they go third party? They have aways made the best games in the business and will continue to do so.

Saturn -well over a million sold in NA
Atari Jaguar - 200,000
Turbo Duo - 100,000
AmigaCD32- less than 100,000
Virtual Boy - 100 - 150,000.

and so on. The Saturn was not as big of a  failure as you may think.

Eric Jacob

where did i say ALL sega games would turn into crap? WHERE!! show me..ya can\'t?...

the point i was trying to make was that lots of their software will be not as good as what we see in the early days of the DC....they cannot spend another 80million to make shenmues ya know;)

oh and about the saturn software sales

mario64 has sold around 13million alone...nuff said:P

ddaryl...okay.

wow that was fairly imformative. I actually read all that stuff and it seems fairly logical. Now im going to go take some aspirin cuz all that reading has just fried my brains. :boom:

wow, I can\'t believe some of you people are reading this with enlightment.



you said "1)make tons of software(expect many below average games)"

many, sorry, I took a little lee-way on that and put all.

Why can\'t they make 80 million dollar games anymore? They aren\'t hampered down with losing money on every system sold now. They arent spending money on R&D anymore. They still have the arcades to make them money (all signs point that this will happen as it seems arcades are going to have a turnaround), so, YES, the can make a game on how much money they want. and no, their games wont turn to utter crap just because they are making for a new console. In fact, you will see that the best games on PS2, will be Sega games. They have been working with multi-processing for over 9 years, longer than anyone else in the business. One example of that is VF4, a true masterpiece.

Eric Jacob

Ddaryl.........Close this topic please.

Why does Nintendo\'s future look brighter than Microsoft\'s and Sony\'s, N-Player? What made Mario so appealing past the last SNES serie it had? I saw nothing thrilling in SM64. I mean beat it once, theres nothing else to do, no secrets no nothing. I could say the same for Sonic, it was wearing off. A wake-up call for Nintendo after its N64? I doubt it. They went too far when they released Pokemon and centering it (making its N64 and behond) as its main mascot for its console. That, with the appeal, with turn off MANY, I mean MANY gamers over the age of 15. Plus what was Nintendo really known for other than Pokemon, Mario and its very, VERY trusty companion Rareware? Absoulty nothing.

As for Sega, yes their Saturn had to be a huge failure and probally the main reason they lost so much money for the continuation for marketing the product. That doesn\'t interfear with Dreamcast alone. Had Saturn been \'decent\' and Sega not loosing 1/3 of the money it did with Saturn, Sega would still be in the game. Dreamcast for the time being was superior creation from Sega redefining console games. Simply Sega had relied too much on its console, why wouldn\'t they? Had they planned this 5 months before September they could probally avoid the anticipation of PS2 and still be in the game.


A lot of this also comes from the console cycle. You usually see a console released in the fall, not spring or summer. Had Sega marketed its Dreamcast in lets say early summer, would have really boomed sales dramitically.

jm

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Another great NPlayer thread (Why are they all the same?)....

Most amusing part of this one? Him calling the Saturn the worst console failure ever. As Altered pointed out, there was plenty that was way worse then the Saturn.
But hey, whatever facts you wanna make up is cool, Nplayer.