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« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2001, 05:35:39 PM »
really.......... what makes people do those things? i mean i know i would never shoot someone no matter what happend. well unless i was a cop or something. i mean there has to be something else wrong with those kids........ something like THEY ARE ALL VERY VERY SCREWED UP IN THE HEAD.
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« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2001, 07:58:36 PM »
well i have been shot, in the arm with a 22 rifle.. bullets be hot they burnin! it wasnt pleasent at all, guess cause im gang affiliated at that time, i wasnt in it, just kicked it with a grip of  peeps
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« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2001, 08:04:52 PM »
well one thing is guarenteed. Lil Bro won\'t be hoggin the controler anymore


wonder how big bro is dealing with that



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Darn shame.
« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2001, 08:30:59 PM »
To get carried away like this is so tragic of course this could have been over anything. Kids killing Kids spells a deeper problem in our society. People have just lost thier fear of God.
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« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2001, 08:58:33 PM »
"Until we evolve beyond the gun toteing mentality that is America this kind of outcome is bound to continue." - Heretic

Wrong. There is absolutely no reason why the populous of this country should go defenseless in the face of internal or external threats. What we need to do, as a society and as a race, is learn that we all must be held accountable for our own actions and that we should have a basic level of respect for one another.

Do I blame guns? No, a gun is an inanimate object, the kid could have just as easily stuck a steak knife in his brother\'s ear. Do I blame the Parents? No, at least not entirely without knowing some more details of their homelife. They could have been very good parents, but if the kid lives around or goes to school in violent surroundings.. then the kid will likely pick up those violent tendacies from his friends. Do I blame a violent media? To a digree yes.. it takes a village to raise a child, and with the advent of Television, Internet, and poorly regulated movies & videogames.. this whole world has become one big village. If the parents do not instill their morals into the child, then primetime TV and violent games will.

Ultimately, it is the child\'s fault. An "Accident" my ass... even if the older brother was just trying to scare his little brother, at 14 he should have known goddamn well enough what the reprecussions of his actions, weither deliberate or not, would bring. Both in immediate punishment and long term mental torment. He could have found a much better solution, even if he insisted to use violence. A busted tooth and black eye are much less painful for both brothers than half a missing crainum and a dead brother.

In bitter irony, Jeb Bush is considering giving the "poor" kid a break. Once again, showing this culture\'s severe aversion to taking responsibility for one\'s self. Blame society, blame guns, blame parents, blame video games.. but by all means don\'t blame the one who pulled the trigger. What a load of horse crap.
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« Reply #35 on: March 19, 2001, 10:00:09 PM »
God, I won\'t blame the parents, nor the society. If I\'d blame them, we\'d all be wackies with guns here. I am about to be 15, and I wouldn\'t even dream of killing my little-sister, as I have respect towards her life. I know what I do every day. I can separate good and bad from each other. I am old enough to take responsibility.

So, this 15 year old has been crazy trough his whole life. Something that has been with him since his born. I\'ve watched gory movies and played gory games from my early childhood, and never I have thought even to beat someone up ( well, maybe in boxing; but that\'s quite different ).

but we could blame the Society for launching the reaction, wich was ready to be launched inside this mentally ill mind. Maybe this boy saw a really gory movie wich then pushed the open "I\'m-crazy"-button in his head. There\'s something to start the reaction. Maybe just the anger towards the little-brother.

I know how annoying it is when my little-sister wants to get to computer and is all c0cky and says "she\'s going to be here for a loooong time" and so on. But never I have hit, nor even thought of hitting my little sister! Of course I\'ve been yelling back, but never could I take anyones life. That means, I\'m mentally normal and no movie can start any reaction.

I hope you get my point here. Don\'t blame the parents, don\'t blame the society; or at least don\'t blame them over a certain point.
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« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2001, 10:11:48 PM »
No guns = No "accidents" !!!
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« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2001, 10:16:33 PM »
Love is the answer. That\'s a very sad story. You know the recent school shooting? My friend\'s sister\'s friend was one of the two people that died in that scary mess...:(. What a world we live in...

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« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2001, 07:58:52 AM »
For all these people who say that guns are the cause of these crimes, I wonder if it would make them feel better if they were pushed out of a window instead.
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« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2001, 08:31:45 AM »
That´s complete bull$hit...
It is a huge difference to pull a trigger, or to take a person and throw him out of a window...

We here in Germany don´t have any guns alowed... and it doesn´t rain ppl... ...
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« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2001, 10:05:50 AM »
Sony Fan,

The key word to the quote used from my post is "evolve". By that I don\'t intend to imply guns be taken away nor people without guns are better than those with them, only better off without them. Nothing more. I can certainly see the statement now as a major put down of gun ownership and I\'m sorry for dropping such a bomb on ya without explaining it better. If you want to hash it out some more with me a better place would be in the off topic forum. Let me know

I was lumping this topic into the kids killing kids category which is maybe a mistake also. In searching for why, spreading the blame around is not to take away from the killers guilt/resposibility but an effort to try and head off the next one. Anyone see the movie Grand Canyon? As Danny Glover\'s character says early on in the middle of some baaad she-at "Its not supposed to be this way"

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« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2001, 10:45:22 AM »
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That´s complete bull$hit...
It is a huge difference to pull a trigger, or to take a person and throw him out of a window...

We here in Germany don´t have any guns alowed... and it doesn´t rain ppl... ...


And the difference is what?  Either way it\'s murder.

King Solomon said "There\'s nothing new under the sun", and he was and is right.  There were no guns back then, but murder has existed since man.

People do not kill because they have a gun in their hand, they kill because they have hate in their heart.

I would die before I let my sister be hurt and this kid picked up a gun over a game.  Where\'s the love there?
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« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2001, 01:58:50 PM »
Yes, there was like that, in USA. 5 kids went to a gun shop and 2 of them got shogun and other 3 just get a gun, They thought it would be cool to go school and shot all teacher and Guess what? It happen.

They only kill 5 Teacher and get this! They kill around 20 student! WTF is that?! what did the student did to the kid?! That why I don\'t want to see shooting and people getting killed. I hope that we all can get rid of gun on the Earth, throw out into space where alien can use them. If I was wrong about something, or miss...pls tell me.

What was that, a boy shot his little brother because he lost?! it just a game dammit! Really, I hate to see my family member or friend died in my own eye. It a shame that the little boy died.

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« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2001, 08:02:57 PM »
"King Solomon said "There\'s nothing new under the sun", and he was and is right. There were no guns back then, but murder has existed since man." - EmporerRob

Exactly, gun\'s haven\'t created murder, they\'ve just made it easier. Their an equalizer since anyone can talk **** and kill without having to put any effort or respect into learning the weapon. It\'s a whole nother story to talk **** and get into a sword fight, since you have to know how to weild the sword and do it better than your opponent. Ever wonder why there hasn\'t been any Martial Art\'s mass murderers (Aside from the people who do it for a profession)? It\'s because of the respect you learn for the art durring the years of arduous training.

They also remove responsibility since they can "Accidentally" go off without the agressor "Knowing it was loaded". It\'s bull****, if you don\'t have enough respect for the power you\'re weilding then you have no buisness with that weapon in your hands. It\'s the same as keeping Nukes out of irresponsible government\'s hands, but on a much smaller scale.

However, to ban guns isn\'t the answer. If guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have guns. But more than that.. the government will still have guns.. and other governments will still have guns. We are granted the right to bear arms for protection, from outside and inside hostilities. Our forefathers built the USA on the principle of freedom and granted us the right to protect our freedoms from everyone, even the US government should it start opressing it\'s people. If we give up our guns, we give up our power. There\'s more might in the populace of the USA than in our entire military... and if we give that up, we give up one hell of a tactical advantage over enemies who might invade America. Remember, we would have lost the Reveloutiary war if it weren\'t for every farmer along the New England colonies taking pot shots at the brittish troops. Now also remember Europe, who\'s unarmed populace and weak defences allowed Hitler to march all the way to the english channel almost unimpeeded. Thanks to the Stuka\'s and Panzers, he most likely would have made it anyway.. but he\'d have had a hell of a lot more opposition and prehaps wouldn\'t have had the resources to put up the fight he did durring the Allied invasion of Europe.

America will be invaded by forigen hostiles at some point in the future. It\'s not a question of "IF", it\'s a question of "When". Every great empire in history has crumbled, often violently, and it\'s foolish to think that America can never be knocked down to the status of a 3rd world country. I want to be ready to defend my little corner of this country if the need arises.. the military can\'t be everywhere at once.. but the citizens can.

Our problem is, the populace is armed to the teeth for war, but living in peace. Without training and respect, of course their going to use their tools of destruction irresposibly. There\'s a better solution out there, It\'s just a matter of finding it. But banning guns, I\'m afraid, is far more dangerous than having them.
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« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2001, 08:29:47 PM »
Yeah, but it doesn\'t take a master to stab someone in the back or kill an unarmed man.  People are taken advantage of all the time.  Only thing that changes is the way we do it.

You\'re right on about gun legislation.  Guns will not just dissappear.  Drugs are illegal too, and there\'s plenty of that makes into the States.
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