Xbox effects impossible on PS2? NOPE

pointless thread.

I think I liked him better when he HATED sony:)

Originally posted by superl33t
NPlayer does have a point. But...

There will always be stuff that the X-Box can do that the GC cant, and the PS2 can do things the X-Box cant and so on and so on.

Hell, the PSX one of (if not the) most popular console ever SUCKED in 2D, the Saturn had much better 2D support. Also the N64 had cleaner overall graphics than the PSX, yet the PSX was the most popular by far of those three systems.

Every console has it\'s own strengths and flaws and whichever system makes the best quality software out of these parameters will be the most successful.

Technical Specs mean very little to me, the only one I am concerned with is Nintendo\'s choice not use the the DVD format, but only time will tell how everything plays out.

Right now i\'ll enjoy Onimusha....BOOYAH!

Bullsh!t!!!  What can PS2 do that Xbox can\'t do?  Oh yeah, lots of jaggies...that must be it.  Can PS2 do HRAA?  Can PS2 do per-pixel shading?  Does PS2 have nFiniteX technology?  A hearty HELL NO! to all of those.  Just face the fact, PS2 is not the most powerful console anymore.  Shouldn\'t that be expected?  GC and Xbox have it beaten graphically and in all technical areas!  Why can\'t you and NPhucker get that through your heads.  PS2 isn\'t the latest and greatest console anymore...deal with it.

I don\'t think anyone has made the asinine predicton that xbox will beat PS2 here, that is besides the point..The xbox will get it\'s little niche market in it\'s little corner but nothing even close to the great victory PS2 has over it. The "war" has been waged and a victor has been decided...The PS2 is the casual gamers choice of console for this gen...case closed:D


And this thread was not about that nor why you bought a PS2 and so on....it\'s about the FACT that PS2 can do any damn effect xbox does in software(which developers like better than hardwire effects)...

I see reverendxbox(aka directXbox) did not prove me wrong..why? because i am right..as usual:D

COOL!!A FIGHT BETWEEN THE 2 TROLL DUDES!!

LETS ALL GATHER AND PUT SOME BETS:D

Hmm...

The PS2 gets great games

                   +

The XBox and GC will get great games

                   =

Everyone will be happy. Except these idiots who keep on downing one (or more) other console for it being inferior and claims their console of choice is a gift from the heavens.

I don\'t give a flying **** about any numbers on some stupid spec sheets or how "shiny" the games look (wake up Revvy). I\'d rather play Super Probotector, Zelda III or Sonic 2 over many of today\'s crappy titles. It\'s amazing to see so much idocy packed in small human beings... no wonder we haven\'t been contacted by a higher intelligence.

I\'d love to bet on Revvy and NLamer killing each other, but unfortunately that\'s very unlikely.

[BizioEE]

Originally posted by ReverendXbox

Bullsh!t!!!  What can PS2 do that Xbox can\'t do?  Oh yeah, lots of jaggies...that must be it.

Maybe you haven\'t seen GT3 and Devil May Cry

 Can PS2 do HRAA?  Can PS2 do per-pixel shading?  Does PS2 have nFiniteX technology?  A hearty HELL NO! to all of those.

While X-Box and GC do a lot of things via Hardware,PS2 has to do all the work via Software,I mean,you have to write the code to do a lot of that stuff.
But that\'s the trick behind it...on the one hand the downside is that it\'s not done for you. On the upside, if it\'s not done for you then you can do it yourself, and potentially better -- more specialized to what your specific application is. So it\'s really a double-edged sword. That\'s the mystery of the system.

For example,Gamecube renders up to eight effects layers to a polygon in a single pass,
so Gamecube developers can effectively start with the base geometry (1), add a bump-map to it (2), add a dirt map (3), add a gloss map (4), add a reflection map (5), add a radiosity light map (6) and two other effects layer of their choice (7,8) -- all in a single pass.
Yes, it\'s very nice that Nintendo Gamecube can do eight layers in one pass. It\'s all set up for you. But some developers have eight-pass techniques(via software) done on PlayStation 2\'games  they are developing(The E3 will show what I\'m saying) So it\'s automatically done on Gamecube, but Naughty Dog,for example,have got the same techniques. Yes, they take more time and yes they take more CPU power, but here we go again -- PS2 has a more powerful CPU so who cares?

People,I\'m not saying PS2 is as powerful as X-Box on paper...only that PS2 can do a lot of things via software and that you have seen nothing about the true capabilities of the PS2!
And another thing...X-Box has one year and half of advantage over the PS2(technologically)...so...we should see a huge step forward,especially if you think that the X-Box is ways easier to develop for than PS2!
Have you seen this huge step forward?  ...From what I know...AC4 for PS2 is graphically stunning...and developers have just learnt how to scratch the surface of the Hardware...so...I\'m wondering...is X-Box 3 times more powerful than PS2??  It\'s just a question!
...and you say...the first X-Box games use less than 50% of the real power...so...how much power of the PS2 do you think developers are using just now?
My opinion...less than 40-50 %(from what I read all around the net...)

I really dislike Bill and Microsoft...and I\'m so sceptical about the X-Box...but if this console is really so powerful and if I\'ll be able to play an Ultra-wonderful-Doom and other Great exclusive games...well...I\'ll buy the X-Box too and I\'ll have to learn how to play with a single arm because I\'ll have cut the other arm after buying a Microsoft-Console
I wanna Great Games....so...show me what the X-Box can do!!  I don\'t want only per-pixel shading...I want original games...

Just face the fact, PS2 is not the most powerful console anymore.  Shouldn\'t that be expected?  GC and Xbox have it beaten graphically and in all technical areas!  Why can\'t you and NPhucker get that through your heads.  PS2 isn\'t the latest and greatest console anymore...deal with it.

...in all technical areas! ...I\'m not sure...


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Originally posted by ReverendXbox



Bullsh!t!!!  What can PS2 do that Xbox can\'t do?  Oh yeah, lots of jaggies...that must be it.  Can PS2 do HRAA?  Can PS2 do per-pixel shading?  Does PS2 have nFiniteX technology?  

:eek:.


Jesus H Christ i tought we banned you age\'s ago how did you slip through the troll nets ?


look Rev we can only have one troll at a time it\'s N players job to be a resident Troll

please please WAIT YOUR TURN !

So what blah blah blah Xbox this Blah blah blah.

:rolleyes:
FACE FACTS YOU AD TROLL there are sometings that the X box will never do, like not being able to play Gran Turismo 3 for a start (oh i forgot that a SONY excluse he  he )

We cant win can;t we when Rev is way the board is full of PS2 bashing

and when Player is in we get X box bashing.

p.s.

Hey Rev WTF are you doing here in the first place ?
if you don\'t like PS2 and you are just here to bash which you clearly are then (**** of !).

Originally posted by BizioEE


Maybe you haven\'t seen GT3 and Devil May Cry



While X-Box and GC do a lot of things via Hardware,PS2 has to do all the work via Software,I mean,you have to write the code to do a lot of that stuff.
But that\'s the trick behind it...on the one hand the downside is that it\'s not done for you. On the upside, if it\'s not done for you then you can do it yourself, and potentially better -- more specialized to what your specific application is. So it\'s really a double-edged sword. That\'s the mystery of the system.

For example,Gamecube renders up to eight effects layers to a polygon in a single pass,
so Gamecube developers can effectively start with the base geometry (1), add a bump-map to it (2), add a dirt map (3), add a gloss map (4), add a reflection map (5), add a radiosity light map (6) and two other effects layer of their choice (7,8) -- all in a single pass.
Yes, it\'s very nice that Nintendo Gamecube can do eight layers in one pass. It\'s all set up for you. But some developers have eight-pass techniques(via software) done on PlayStation 2\'games  they are developing(The E3 will show what I\'m saying) So it\'s automatically done on Gamecube, but Naughty Dog,for example,have got the same techniques. Yes, they take more time and yes they take more CPU power, but here we go again -- PS2 has a more powerful CPU so who cares?

People,I\'m not saying PS2 is as powerful as X-Box on paper...only that PS2 can do a lot of things via software and that you have seen nothing about the true capabilities of the PS2!
And another thing...X-Box has one year and half of advantage over the PS2(technologically)...so...we should see a huge step forward,especially if you think that the X-Box is ways easier to develop for than PS2!
Have you seen this huge step forward?  ...From what I know...AC4 for PS2 is graphically stunning...and developers have just learnt how to scratch the surface of the Hardware...so...I\'m wondering...is X-Box 3 times more powerful than PS2??  It\'s just a question!
...and you say...the first X-Box games use less than 50% of the real power...so...how much power of the PS2 do you think developers are using just now?
My opinion...less than 40-50 %(from what I read all around the net...)

I really dislike Bill and Microsoft...and I\'m so sceptical about the X-Box...but if this console is really so powerful and if I\'ll be able to play an Ultra-wonderful-Doom and other Great exclusive games...well...I\'ll buy the X-Box too and I\'ll have to learn how to play with a single arm because I\'ll have cut the other arm after buying a Microsoft-Console
I wanna Great Games....so...show me what the X-Box can do!!  I don\'t want only per-pixel shading...I want original games...



...in all technical areas! ...I\'m not sure...


 

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Well  and perfectly said.

Originally posted by Nplayer-2
Jumpman:

it was in interview in EGM in november i belive....sorry i don\'t know if it\'s on-line(you could check their website)

So far i have yet to be proved wrong, i have yet to see a link which proves some effects on xbox are impossible on PS2....until that happens i am right.

jumpman, perhaps you can tell me what GCN or xbox effects are impossible on PS2?

Thats right, you have NOTHING. Atleast I could easily go to IGNcube and proved what I said before...

But I won\'t post it know because I want to see you write another moronic and hilarious post for out viewing pleasure before I put your argument to waste.

Hmm...


The PS2 gets great games

+

The XBox and GC will get great games

=

Everyone will be happy. Except these idiots who keep on downing one (or more) other console for it being inferior and claims their console of choice is a gift from the heavens.


I don\'t give a flying **** about any numbers on some stupid spec sheets or how "shiny" the games look (wake up Revvy). I\'d rather play Super Probotector, Zelda III or Sonic 2 over many of today\'s crappy titles. It\'s amazing to see so much idocy packed in small human beings... no wonder we haven\'t been contacted by a higher intelligence.

I\'d love to bet on Revvy and NLamer killing each other, but unfortunately that\'s very unlikely.

 ahem... amen to that.

Reverind throws a right and Nplayer throws a left!    Seriously dudes, we\'ll just have to wait until the Xbox is out before we can make a judgement.  I have to agree with the Rev. though, PS2 isn\'t king of the console hill anymore...and this is coming from a proud PS2 owner.  

~Goes and plays the MGS2 demo for the 213th time...oh yeah, ZOE is pretty decent too.~

Super Probotector? hahahaha!! you Euros are so funny! Contra is a much better name and will always be a much better name  what the heck is a probotector anyway?



Eric Jacob

Originally posted by ReverendXbox


face the fact, PS2 is not the most powerful console anymore

and right here\'s where you\'re wrong, ps2 is the most powerfull console, it\'s just that when the xbox/gamecube are released that it won\'t be the most powerfull. And that is all that matters, you can praise your xbox, but you can\'t even play it for months, while we can play kick ass games on our ps2, nuff said!

Originally posted by BizioEE
While X-Box and GC do a lot of things via Hardware,PS2 has to do all the work via Software,I mean,you have to write the code to do a lot of that stuff.

There is a limit to what you can achieve with software, and that limit is usually set by the performance hit incured. For example, the realtime shadows demonstrated on the NV20 in games like Malice, Kakuto-X and Doom3, would be impossible to achieve at that level on the PS2 without a MASSIVE performance hit. That\'s not to say that the PS2 cannot handle great shadows (just look at Buldur\'s Gate), but it will never be able to acheive the level seen on the XBox.

so...I\'m wondering...is X-Box 3 times more powerful than PS2??  It\'s just a question!
...and you say...the first X-Box games use less than 50% of the real power...so...how much power of the PS2 do you think developers are using just now?
My opinion...less than 40-50 %(from what I read all around the net...)

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That\'s a totally different comparison! The XBox games we\'ve seen have been running on hardware which is, at best, 50% of the power of the final console. So if we imagine Halo was using 40% of the power of current XBox hardware, then it is in fact using just 20% of the power of the final XBox!!! Hence the final version will use that extra power for more polygons, more effects, more on screen characters/models etc.

I really dislike Bill and Microsoft...and I\'m so sceptical about the X-Box.....

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Read the following interview with Microsoft\'s Seamus Blackley (very interesting!);

Xbox marks his spot:
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1014-201-5264348-0.html?tag=bt_pr

"As a game developer a few years ago at Looking Glass Studios and Dreamworks Interactive, the former nuclear physicist could sling the Microsoft rhetoric as well as anyone.  "I used to be a dyed-in-the-wool Microsoft hater," Blackley recalls. "I couldn\'t imagine ever coming to work for Microsoft.""

Hmmm...

Hate MS and hate Bill Gates if you want, but everytime I read an article or interview with either S. Blackley or J. Allard, I have more and more respect for these guys and with what they\'re trying to achieve. Hence, I\'m confident about the XBox and really look forward to TGS and E3.