x-box 3 times more powerful?

Konami is playing it smart because of it\'s relationship with Sony and it\'s consumers.  What if he said "Oh yeah the Xbox version is alot better than the PS2 version"? That could, not saying it would, but could hurt his sales of MGS for PS2.

Come late this year after Konami has released MGS2 I\'d like to hear his response again.  This is common practice when a title of this magnitude is yet to be released....Konami spent a crap load of money in development for this title and are not about to see it\'s profits dwindle by remarks that could hurt them.


**** I know I would be saying the same thing even if MS created a damn virtual world that you can step into.  Money is what drives them all and don\'t let them tell you different!

Originally posted by Unicron!
Yeah but do we know what percentage of the processing power does it waste?
As long as it can do many great effects then its ok atleast with me.
MGS2 and GT3 have so many effects without any performance hit you simply cant imagine what else does it need.
Also....PS2\'s GS is by itself what the NVIDIA 3D Card stands for XBOX.
The difference is that unlike XBOX\'s card in which the effects are ready to use(made to be able to do the effects from day one) in the PS2 you have to set what effects you want it to make.
Its like having an NVIDIA card that has its effects ready and an NVIDIA that you have to ser what kind of effects you want it to do.

It doesn\'t matter how much processing power it wastes. The problem is that it wastes power at all. Kojima himself said that they had to dumb down the graphics a bit because the effects and AI were to much of a hit on the processor.

As for the PS2\'s GPU, Do you think developers are not going to mind programming effects into every game that they make? Sure they can use Sony\'s middleware but the effects will still take a hit to the processor which in the long run will upset developers. The PS2 is an awesome machine which, in theory, has a lot of untapped power. But the flaws in the design will cause a lot of this power to remain untapped until late in its life. IMHO

Originally posted by Gohan


It doesn\'t matter how much processing power it wastes. The problem is that it wastes power at all. Kojima himself said that they had to dumb down the graphics a bit because the effects and AI were to much of a hit on the processor.

As for the PS2\'s GPU, Do you think developers are not going to mind programming effects into every game that they make? Sure they can use Sony\'s middleware but the effects will still take a hit to the processor which in the long run will upset developers. The PS2 is an awesome machine which, in theory, has a lot of untapped power. But the flaws in the design will cause a lot of this power to remain untapped until late in its life. IMHO

Well ok.But again I think PS2 wont suffer a lot from these issues.Develpers may find solutions to them.
Kojima said that if they had a couple of years more to work on MGS2 they would have come with something a lot lot better.If you spent much time in development you can achieve things previously you thought they were impossible.
Just like GT2000 and games with jaggies.Everyone was underestimating PS2\'s capabilities.But look now.No more jaggies,we ve got great textures,big polygon counts,CGI quality graphics and GT2000 that previously was held as GT2 with less cars and overdone reflections now is the greatest most realistc racing game ever(When GT2OOO was shown everyone had doubts if the PS2 could reach the GT tech demo\'s quality).

Except if MS convinces developers to dump PS2 for XBOX\'s ease at programming PS2 will suffer from the issues regarding its difficulties.

Originally posted by Bossieman
What does 3 TIMES MORE POWERFUL MEAN?????

According to J. Allard Xbox "is 3 times the graphical and computational power of the PS2".  Which means that it would take 3 PS2\'s to match the Physics/AI and Graphics processing power of the Xbox.

Originally posted by BizioEE


...Jason Rubin\'s New Creature will blow away Malice out of the water...

 

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B*tch please!  Naughty Dog are a bunch of overatted trash-talking sons-of-b*tches!  I predict that they\'re new game will suck donkey balls.  The only thing they did was the hokey platformer Crash Bandicoot and without Crash they\'re sunk.  He\'s been hyping up that game only for it to be crushed under the hype.  If Naughty Dog is so good, then why haven\'t we seen a Way of the Warrior sequel?  Because it sucked, that\'s why!  Naughty Dog sucks!  They\'re just a mediocre development house that got lucky when Sony asked that Crash be their mascot.  Without Crash Naughty Dog is nothing!  It pisses me off when people listen to that Sony d*ck riding Whore, Jason Rubin.  He talks too much smack and I\'d love to put my size 11 up his ass.  Haughty bastards like him deserve to have thier sh!t flop.  Naughty Dog\'s game will SUCK.  That\'s no shot against the PS2 but a shot against Naughty Dog.  They\'re way too overated.  Bastards...

 As you can tell, I can\'t stand Jason Rubin (I don\'t have an opinion about Andy Gavin, but since he hangs around Rubin, he\'s probably as big an a$$hole as Rubin).

I agree, Rubin\'s is at least as biased as Lanning. I think more, but it\'d debatable.

Microsoft doesn\'t own OddWorld (that\'s debatable since all of OW games will be Xbox exclusives) so I don\'t see how that\'s possible.  Rubin\'s been on Sony\'s nuts since the PS2 unvieling.  He\'s talked so much sh!t that he feels that he single handedly has to make the PS2 look good.  Fact is that Naughty Dog really sucks and their PS2 project will prove that.

Fact is that Naughty Dog really sucks and their PS2 project will prove that.

Hate to disappoint, but that\'s no fact.


- dm
- what\'s in the f\'cking box?

Originally posted by DirectXbox
Microsoft doesn\'t own OddWorld (that\'s debatable since all of OW games will be Xbox exclusives) so I don\'t see how that\'s possible.  Rubin\'s been on Sony\'s nuts since the PS2 unvieling.  He\'s talked so much sh!t that he feels that he single handedly has to make the PS2 look good.  Fact is that Naughty Dog really sucks and their PS2 project will prove that.

Wow gotta love the idiocy

Naughty DOg is the most underrated developer and there PS2 project will squash any thoughts of them sucking. I\'ll bet the farm on that one. The Crash platformers games we\'re all fantastic. They pushed the PSX to its limitsand got performance where others could not. Naughty DOg has enjoyed success for awhile, they just never had the big budgets until they signed on to do Crash and got backing from Universal, and they did not dissapoint when given that chance. With Sony and the money Naughty Dog made from the Crash series  not to mention  the fact they picked up a few other talented Developers to add to the Naughty Dog team, I say beleive the hype. Naughty DOg will get performance out of the PS2 that only the top dev\'s are getting.

and yes Rubin is going to spew the Company line because Sony owns NaughtyDog now and even before the buy-out, NaughtyDOg signed on as a 2nd party developer. What would one expect

But Lorne is just a meat head IMO.


as for Naughty Dogs creature blowing away Malice. I don\'t know. I\'m positive the game will look quite excellent and the gameplay will be quite cool. but without actual details we\'re left waiting for the unveiling

Originally posted by DirectXbox
Fact is that Naughty Dog really sucks and their PS2 project will prove that.

Sorry, but Naughty Dog, despites Rubins ego, is pretty good. I loved Crash and even liked Way of the Warrior. I also like Oddworld. Both teams are stronger at different things, and both make quality products. Both are also only famous for a single character/series. If it weren\'t for Rubins excessive **** talking, and the fact that Sony owns them, I\'d say they were on even ground in credibility.

Originally posted by ddaryl
Naughty DOg is the most underrated developer and there PS2 project will squash any thoughts of them sucking.
....
 Naughty DOg will get performance out of the PS2 that only the top dev\'s are getting.
....
But Lorne is just a meat head IMO.
....
as for Naughty Dogs creature blowing away Malice. I don\'t know. I\'m positive the game will look quite excellent and the gameplay will be quite cool. but without actual details we\'re left waiting for the unveiling

1- Underrated by who? I thought most people who remotely liked Crash, liked ND...

2-I\'m not that impressed with most of the \'top dev\'s\' results yet, so that\'s not impressive....

3-Why? What did he do wrong? Outside of saying he can realize the full vision he has for Munch on XB, but not on PS2, I can\'t think of a single other thing he\'s said that should bug you.

4-Agreed. I am awaiting ND\'s next game eagerly. Has it been confirmed, or just rumored, as being unveiled at E3?

Originally posted by EThugg


1- Underrated by who? I thought most people who remotely liked Crash, liked ND...

2-I\'m not that impressed with most of the \'top dev\'s\' results yet, so that\'s not impressive....

3-Why? What did he do wrong? Outside of saying he can realize the full vision he has for Munch on XB, but not on PS2, I can\'t think of a single other thing he\'s said that should bug you.

4-Agreed. I am awaiting ND\'s next game eagerly. Has it been confirmed, or just rumored, as being unveiled at E3?

1- By most. Nobody places ND up there with Konami, Rare, Capcom, Square and others yet. They look at ND as the makers of Crash. Alot of people bash ND and its always a fanboy of another system.

2- I am impressed with Square (FFX), Konami (MGS2, ZOE), Capcom (RE, DMC, Onimusha), Polyphony(GT#), Snowblind Studios(Dark Alliance), Studio SoHo(Dropship, The Getaway, Wipeout Fusion), and a few other dev\'s outputs or up and coming games for the PS2 which have been seen in motion

3- Lorne is a meathead cause his vision for his game can be acheived on the PS2 with some minor sacrafices, but nothing that would ruin the game for PS2 owners and would have made him lots of money !!!!. Now he will make his game which may or maynot live up to expectations and have a severly reduced fanbase. All becasue the man was lazy. Lorne and MS both hoped that his signing with MS and XBox would open a floodgates of frustrated devs over to Xbox. It didn\'t and since then there have been more PS2 announcement snad more PS2 break throughs, with some sweet looking games.

4- I keep hearing buzzes from sources it will be shown off at E3 to some extent. Also on a lighter note Insomniac should be showing off there 2nd party game at E3 too

Originally posted by ProfessorX
Konami is playing it smart because of it\'s relationship with Sony and it\'s consumers.  What if he said "Oh yeah the Xbox version is alot better than the PS2 version"? That could, not saying it would, but could hurt his sales of MGS for PS2.

Come late this year after Konami has released MGS2 I\'d like to hear his response again.  This is common practice when a title of this magnitude is yet to be released....Konami spent a crap load of money in development for this title and are not about to see it\'s profits dwindle by remarks that could hurt them.


**** I know I would be saying the same thing even if MS created a damn virtual world that you can step into.  Money is what drives them all and don\'t let them tell you different!

no that wouldn\'t hurt sales like you think might happen. actually it would help the sale of the series more since the Xbox version will need all the help it can get,the loyal fans know which version is the real one and now that the demo (via Z.O.E.) is readily available to the mainstream which shows how awesome it looks and plays,there is nothing hidden now. the sale of MGS2 on PS2 will soar into the millions (even way more copies than what the supposed "superior " Xbox version will sell),no one in their right mind will believe otherwise...

[BizioEE]

Originally posted by DirectXbox

B*tch please!  Naughty Dog are a bunch of overatted trash-talking sons-of-b*tches!  I predict that they\'re new game will suck donkey balls.

You\'re the classic example of BS,rude,ill-mannered X-Troll and you can predict nothing because you know nothing !
I think Crash,Crash2,Crash3 and Crash Team Racing are really good games and I feel the New Creature of Jason Rubin will be something Big(the only thing we can do is waiting until E3)
We have to debate about the capability,talent of Developers(and Naughty Dog proved to be a talented developer with Crash3 and Crash Team Racing),not the psychology of a single Man....
If you don\'t like Naughty Dog or their games that\'s your own business...because there are a lot of People who really like these Games!
So please,if you like so much insulting developers,or you have nothing positive to offer to this Great Forum...it\'s better you go to some X-Troll-MS-Forum where most of the people are exactly like you= BS and Ignorant

 .....He talks too much smack and I\'d love to put my size 11 up his ass.  Haughty bastards like him deserve to have thier sh!t flop.  Naughty Dog\'s game will SUCK.  That\'s no shot against the PS2 but a shot against Naughty Dog.  They\'re way too overated.  Bastards...

...I think you are not stable mentally!
Why Bastard?  Did you have any personal problem with Jason?   If you don\'t like the games don\'t play them...what\'s the problem odd being !
Try to show us some interesting and productive Posts...or the only thing you can do is proving each time to be a Troll?

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[BizioEE]

Originally posted by EThugg
I agree, Rubin\'s is at least as biased as Lanning. I think more, but it\'d debatable.

...again...Naughty Dog are really talented developers and they pushed the PSX hardware to the limits!

So dear Ethugg,I don\'t give a toss if a Man is BS or Not-BS...I do care about games...

I don\'t care if Rubin is more or less BS than Lanning...I do care that Naughty Dog are FAR more talented in 3D than the Clumsy Odd World