PHENOMENAL New Xbox Movie!!! Evolution!!!

hmm..
The Tech "demo" was impressive in terms of skinning tech and per_pixel FX-rendering.

Skinning apparently used quite heavily vertex-shaders, and movement was quite nice. there was some object "wings and muscles" going into other objects, but it is not possible to avoid those things with power of ps2 or x-box.. at least if you don\'t want to sacrifice the performance Big time.

what comes to the most apparent advantages of X-box over ps2 the per-pixel fx.. this demo had some fx used quite nicely.
Yes there were bump_mapping and other "normal" stuff, but what impressed was a use of specular strenght/color map which gave the creature nice depth. this is easily seen in a wings of the creature.
"normaly color of specular light is color of the light independent from the color of material" the self-shadowing was nice exept the fact that only "bone" areas of wings casted shadows.

Things like view distance and polygon count in this kind of presentation is quite irrelevant. For one can have incredible enviroment IF camera stays in about one spot/ or line. This becouse enviroment can be made to use optimal amount of polygons for current location from camera in offline.

Well.. Lets hope Inevitable Entertainment can make something that uses this tech with more than one creature and with idea behind the game...

Originally posted by mm
again, graphics = fluff

oh, and xbox = vaporware untill i see some impressive "in game" demos

*yawn*

/me goes back to phantasy star online

so true... so true

/me goes back to MGS2

Ugh.

Those graphics aren\'t that great at all. Only one character?Pppfffttt. Show me ten to fifteen of those things flying around, then I\'ll be impressed. But now , like mm said, its just fluff.

Originally posted by ProfessorX
I just don\'t agree at all! Yeah there\'s no gameplay but thats not what were talking about here.  

IMHO those graphics beat anything shown on the PS2 thus far.... yes even FFX.  While FFX is very impressive the detail that is in that thing is above beyond anything I\'ve ever seen on the PS2.

Moron.

Well first of all. Demos like this are the same as games, they are just more limited in functionality.

Surely you have no idea what you\'re talking about. I can show you about 20 \'demos\' for my GeForce 2 and no game looks anything near those demos. Demos are usually used to demonstrate a certain aspect of the card, that it can technically do, doesn\'t mean you\'ll see all those nifty things in a real game.

- dm
- what\'s in the f\'cking box?

Originally posted by datamage




Surely you have no idea what you\'re talking about. I can show you about 20 \'demos\' for my GeForce 2 and no game looks anything near those demos. Demos are usually used to demonstrate a certain aspect of the card, that it can technically do, doesn\'t mean you\'ll see all those nifty things in a real game.

- dm
- what\'s in the f\'cking box?

I agree ususally they cant, but sinse its on incomplete dev kits, the final kit might...

One beast sprouting wings and playing with a green ball of poop is the best graphics ever?  Come on... can someone at least show me something in motion that\'s actually being played before we consider them the best graphics ever?  By all standards, when I compare this to the FF8 tech demo of the ball room dance sequence, at least the ballroom scene had two people in it.  Oh well, who gives a flying f*ck about a goddamn tech demo anyways?  Monsters flying or sprouting wings doesn\'t make me wanna pick up an XBox, it\'s the games we get to play that does.  So far, all we have scene is more "graphics will look like this... when it\'s done..." blah blah blah, horsesh*t.  Just stop hyping the ****ing thing and show us some goddamn real games we all want to play.

Originally posted by Ryu
One beast sprouting wings and playing with a green ball of poop is the best graphics ever?  Come on... can someone at least show me something in motion that\'s actually being played before we consider them the best graphics ever?  By all standards, when I compare this to the FF8 tech demo of the ball room dance sequence, at least the ballroom scene had two people in it.  Oh well, who gives a flying f*ck about a goddamn tech demo anyways?  Monsters flying or sprouting wings doesn\'t make me wanna pick up an XBox, it\'s the games we get to play that does.  So far, all we have scene is more "graphics will look like this... when it\'s done..." blah blah blah, horsesh*t.  Just stop hyping the ****ing thing and show us some goddamn real games we all want to play.

I agree, sort of. Munch, Malice, Halo, DoA3 (I think) were shown with actual gameplay.

Ryu is right:Graphics mean nothing.I bought Ehrgeiz just from it looks and I got bored easily.Bouncer is another game with superb graphics.But people prefe playing Smugglers Run or Driver or Tekken3 more than these 2 even if they dont look as good.

Originally posted by EThugg


I agree, sort of. Munch, Malice, Halo, DoA3 (I think) were shown with actual gameplay.

So?4 games only?
Also we havent played them either so we still dont know if they have good gameplay.

Originally posted by Unicron!


So?4 games only?
Also we havent played them either so we still dont know if they have good gameplay.

No one\'s played any GC games either! What\'s your damn point?

Originally posted by EThugg


No one\'s played any GC games either! What\'s your damn point?

Whats YOUR point?I didnt mention GC have I?

Well.. on the whole \'tech demo\' thing.. it\'s not impossible that in the end the x-box won\'t do those type of graphics. I\'m just sick of people going crazy over just that, demos. If it means anything, the tech demos Sony showed are possible on the PS2.. The FF8 ballroom looked great, IMO, FFX looks better. The Namco girl,. try the intro to RRV. Might not be exactly but they look close. Regardless, one shouldn\'t jump for tech demos.

- dm
- what\'s in the f\'cking box?

Originally posted by Unicron!


Whats YOUR point?I didnt mention GC have I?

Game journalists HAVE played XB games. And your (again) dissing XB for something, but giving another system a pass.

Originally posted by EThugg


Game journalists HAVE played XB games. And your (again) dissing XB for something, but giving another system a pass.

Oh its not fair.Poor little XBOX.GC got away.

This thread is about XBOX.

Ok then.

GC games havent been tested.Xbox games have.So?
Whats the difference?
Should I have started talking about GC out of nowhere im my post??Ofcourse I didnt say a thing about GC.I couldnt start talking about GC out of nowhere.

(Also send me a url with the journalists impressions.)

\'So?4 games only?
Also we havent played them either so we still dont know if they have good gameplay.\'

You were dissing XB for only having 4 playable demos. Then you MUST diss GC for having none.  And go to IGN, DR etc, they have impressions Im sure.