My take on the console wars

It\'s all happening again......

Dreamcast, like the Saturn, came first...it was evolutionary, but it flopped...the PSX came, and sold and sold...no one knows why....so, the PS2 is selling and selling..

N64 joined the party later, like the Gamecube, and N64 sold reasonably well, but really failed a bit. I predict the same pattern will occur...PS2 will sell loads, Dreamcast has already flopped, and Gamecube will do luke-walm...

BUT.....

Then comes the bullying, mighty, god-damn rich Microsoft. Having already conquered totally the PC market, they set out to do the same here, and they very well could...they will buy all the exclusive games, advertise and hype, and bribe their way to victory...it will be a huge fight...Can PS2\'s previous success help it, or will the powerful Microsoft promote the X-Box to higher ground??

What a stupid post. I\'m sure MS will do some of those things, but those are the exact things Sony did to get started. You convieniently left that out.

This should go to the console debating, but I forgive you, as you\'re new here

Microsoft can\'t buy out the exclusives - Microsoft can\'t buy fans. Console-marketing, however, is about games. If Microsoft would even try to buy out sony\'s exclusives, Sony would become very angry, and spread the word... and many Sony-fans would get very angry, and so on. A war would begin.

Money can\'t buy everything. Some developers might even have principals. They just wouldn\'t betray the console they\'re working to / have been working to for the past years.

And we do know why PSX sold and still sells - it IS about the games, after all. All the exclusives, including Metal Gear Solid and the FF-serie, were reasons enough for many to buy Playstation. PS just was taken as more \'mature\' console, and it just had/has the largest selection of games to date - with real jewels amongst many \'grey\' ones.

History might repeat itself, but due to a longer time-span. You can\'t speculate what is going to happen just due to what happened - altho\' the past seems to change the views of the players a bit - but GC, for example, has a chance to survive and make out and sell well - just because it doesn\'t have that pricy/kiddish cartridge-system to play with.

X-box isn\'t going to bully around - it could get a serious competetor for PS2, but it isn\'t a certain winner. PS2 already has so many great exclusives coming, that many buy PS2 just to get them. And a player who buy a console just for the raw graphical power, shouldn\'t call himself/herself a player. And it\'s all matter of opinion. Even if X-box would buy some exclusives, PS2 still would have some games X-box wouldn\'t, and those games would make the difference.

BUT.....

Then comes the bullying, mighty, god-damn rich Microsoft.

Hahahahahahahahahahahah!!!! Oh god,....that was ****ing histerical! You blabber about the other console then you make it sound like the Xbox is god and you did it in the weakest form that I have ever seen! God dammit that was funny! LOL.

Hey Darth Joyda- Microsoft can buy their way tgo victory. They can easily buy out developers( like Sony and even Nintendo) and they can use their cash to get them a victory. It could happen, but its highly unlikely.

Hey I dont find this thread stupid.Why is it stupid?

History might repeat itself but now with MS I (me) have fears that console gaming might change into monopoly.
1)From Barnaby Jones\' statements MS intentions are clearly shown.
2)Look how Bill was acting when Rock came to show off XBOX.(as if XBOX is a nation or something.)
3)Just its massive power(if its true) sounds as if nowone can compete.
4)Trying to bribe developers

etc.

I just cant imagine only XBOX2 or 3 OR 4 OR WHATEVER with no PS3 or 4 or 5 or Gamecube2 3 4

Originally posted by Unicron!
Hey I dont find this thread stupid.Why is it stupid?

History might repeat itself but now with MS I (me) have fears that console gaming might change into monopoly.
1)From Barnaby Jones\' statements MS intentions are clearly shown.
2)Look how Bill was acting when Rock came to show off XBOX.(as if XBOX is a nation or something.)
3)Just its massive power(if its true) sounds as if nowone can compete.
4)Trying to bribe developers

etc.

I just cant imagine only XBOX2 or 3 OR 4 OR WHATEVER with no PS3 or 4 or 5 or Gamecube2 3 4

1-Once again, Mr. Jones\' does NOT speak for MS!

2-How did Gates\' act???

3-Every company says that (except Nintendo so far...)

4-Unlike Sony? Were\'s your proof?


you are either ignorant and paranoid, or a fanboy.

1.Ok Mr. Jones\' does not speak for MS.(lets say he doesnt speak for MS)
2.How did Gates\' act???Well if you remember a certain pic you ll know.
I dont know a url to show you but if someone remembers please post it.
3.-Every company says that (except Nintendo so far...):
Sony said that when there was only DC to compete with.And PS2 was clearly more powerfull.But not THAT powerfull.They didnt make PS2 monstrously powerfull.And they knew Nintendo was going to come woth a better console.(Sega did a mistake by creating a console which would easily become obsolete).
MS has PS2 and GC to compete but still unlike Sony they have GC as well.....Nintendo?Nintendo is smarter and acts better.They see PS2 and XBOX as competitors.
Its different to create a console that is just morep owerfull from creating a console NOBODY CAN COMPETE WITH.Thats my point.
4.Proof??Munch\'s developers are a proof.He also tried to bribe other developers like Square and NAMCO.Proof?
I cant proof easily about these 2 because they didnt accept.(some game magazines and sites refered to this)
Ohhh.
Unlike Sony you said.Hmmm.DO YOU HAVE PROOF?U beleive that Sony bribed developers.Proove it to me.

Originally posted by Unicron!
1.Ok Mr. Jones\' does not speak for MS.(lets say he doesnt speak for MS)
2.How did Gates\' act???Well if you remember a certain pic you ll know.
I dont know a url to show you but if someone remembers please post it.
3.-Every company says that (except Nintendo so far...):
Sony said that when there was only DC to compete with.And PS2 was clearly more powerfull.But not THAT powerfull.They didnt make PS2 monstrously powerfull.And they knew Nintendo was going to come woth a better console.(Sega did a mistake by creating a console which would easily become obsolete).
MS has PS2 and GC to compete but still unlike Sony they have GC as well.....Nintendo?Nintendo is smarter and acts better.They see PS2 and XBOX as competitors.
Its different to create a console that is just morep owerfull from creating a console NOBODY CAN COMPETE WITH.Thats my point.
4.Proof??Munch\'s developers are a proof.He also tried to bribe other developers like Square and NAMCO.Proof?
I cant proof easily about these 2 because they didnt accept.(some game magazines and sites refered to this)
Ohhh.
Unlike Sony you said.Hmmm.DO YOU HAVE PROOF?U beleive that Sony bribed developers.Proove it to me.

1.Good
2.I remember all the pictures. He acted like any nerd introducing a guest and unveiling a console.
3.Yes, Sony did. They said it could produce life like graphics in real time and was more than 10x as powerful as DC. It is neither. Nintendo \'acts\' better? WTF does that mean? They help old people cross the street?
4.Sony bought Psygnosis, Naughty Dog, and others, and paid tremendous money behind the scenes to get Square away from Nintendo. If you think it was about cartridge vs cd, your a damn fool. BTW, Oddworld isnt owned by MS, and you can prove they were bribed as much as I can prove Suare was by Sony.

Originally posted by EThugg


1.Good
2.I remember all the pictures. He acted like any nerd introducing a guest and unveiling a console.
3.Yes, Sony did. They said it could produce life like graphics in real time and was more than 10x as powerful as DC. It is neither. Nintendo \'acts\' better? WTF does that mean? They help old people cross the street?
4.Sony bought Psygnosis, Naughty Dog, and others, and paid tremendous money behind the scenes to get Square away from Nintendo. If you think it was about cartridge vs cd, your a damn fool. BTW, Oddworld isnt owned by MS, and you can prove they were bribed as much as I can prove Suare was by Sony.

1.Good
2.Some specific  pics showed Bill gates doing some "unacceptable snoots".Like "This is XBOX.Now eat my **** suckers".What is this?The ultimate machine?
3.I remember 10x the power of the DC.Not more.And its slowly proving what Sony promised.GT3\'s can be considered as life like.
I am agreeing with you about Nintendo dude.Instead of hyping their console trying to make it sound better than XBOX or PS2 they are letting US to decide.I thought yuo didnt like hyping.
4.Sony bought Psygnosis a couple of years before PSX.And PSygnosis can develop for other consoles too.
(A 1994 gamer:Naughty Dog??Who da hell is naughty dog?)
Get squaer away from Nintendo???WTH are you talking about??CD was the storage meium that enabled them to produce the graphics they wanted.In noway a cardridge would allow them to create a FF they wanted.It was their own decision.Square always chooses one platform having the technology and the market success in mind.It was the PSX back then.This is the reason.I am not a fool.Proove it to me that Sony Bribed Square.
Oddworld developers were bribed to can the PS2 version of Munch.
U can not proove Square was bribed by Sony thats why u say "you can prove they were bribed as much as I can prove Suare was by Sony.".A smart move for not answering me my expected question....

Originally posted by Unicron!

1.Good
2.Some specific  pics showed Bill gates doing some "unacceptable snoots".Like "This is XBOX.Now eat my **** suckers".What is this?The ultimate machine?
3.I remember 10x the power of the DC.Not more.And its slowly proving what Sony promised.GT3\'s can be considered as life like.
I am agreeing with you about Nintendo dude.Instead of hyping their console trying to make it sound better than XBOX or PS2 they are letting US to decide.I thought yuo didnt like hyping.
4.Sony bought Psygnosis a couple of years before PSX.And PSygnosis can develop for other consoles too.
(A 1994 gamer:Naughty Dog??Who da hell is naughty dog?)
Get squaer away from Nintendo???WTH are you talking about??CD was the storage meium that enabled them to produce the graphics they wanted.In noway a cardridge would allow them to create a FF they wanted.It was their own decision.Square always chooses one platform having the technology and the market success in mind.It was the PSX back then.This is the reason.I am not a fool.Proove it to me that Sony Bribed Square.
Oddworld developers were bribed to can the PS2 version of Munch.
U can not proove Square was bribed by Sony thats why u say "you can prove they were bribed as much as I can prove Suare was by Sony.".A smart move for not answering me my expected question....

You CANNOT prove that either. And there was a FF for N64 that was canned.

Sony did buy Psygnosis back then, to add dev houses, just like MS is now.

Naughty Dog was bought recently.... after the successful Crash series.

Square left Nintendo for 2 reasons

first the PSX had a better medium in CD\'s which offered Square the opportunity for FMV and more content in its games


2nd, Nintendo was tryint to tell Square how to make there games. Nintendo was tottally against FMV in Squares RPG\'s and thats somethign square likes to use to progress storyline

Nintendo intuded on Squares artistic rights and Square left

I don\'t think any money was involved and I don\'t think there is anything to back that up.  Any money changing hand would be publicly known I\'m sure. However I am sure SOny gave Square a sweetheart deal on dev kits and liscensing fees and other contracted perks

There however was a few interviews in regards to the Square/ nintendo relationship that backs up what I mentioned

Originally posted by ddaryl
Square left Nintendo for 2 reasons

first the PSX had a better medium in CD\'s which offered Square the opportunity for FMV and more content in its games


2nd, Nintendo was tryint to tell Square how to make there games. Nintendo was tottally against FMV in Squares RPG\'s and thats somethign square likes to use to progress storyline

Nintendo intuded on Squares artistic rights and Square left

I don\'t think any money was involved and I don\'t think there is anything to back that up.  Any money changing hand would be publicly known I\'m sure. However I am sure SOny gave Square a sweetheart deal on dev kits and liscensing fees and other contracted perks

There however was a few interviews in regards to the Square/ nintendo relationship that backs up what I mentioned

Yes, but can you PROVE Lanning just sold out, as opposed to truely thinking XB was better hardware for him and his game? I don\'t think you can...

The debate nowadays seems to be between PS2, Gamecube,and Xbox. No one even mentions dreamcast anymore. Funny thing is that ive been saying this for months now and i used to really stir up the dc fanboys. I knew dc couldnt compete with the others and now reality has set in. As for the best console so far, of course its PS2.

Originally posted by Jumpman
Hey Darth Joyda- Microsoft can buy their way tgo victory. They can easily buy out developers( like Sony and even Nintendo) and they can use their cash to get them a victory. It could happen, but its highly unlikely.

Microsoft could go out spending a large amount of money, buying out multiple of developers, and win the \'console war.\' There\'s one thing that should be kept in mind there, though: Their goal is to be profitable, not spend it all or break even. That goal is the primary one, before becoming the industry\'s leader.

If they ended up losing most of their money, but still coming out on top, then they wouldn\'t have achieved one of their main goals.

They could buy their way to victory, but they\'d prevent themselves from reaching a main goal.

I knew dc couldnt compete with the others and now reality has set in.

It could have competed, going by what was known several months ago. It had a lot of great games, an online network launching, lower prices than the competitors, a head start. It could have competed with others; it had a lot going for it.

But reality has set in, and we all know what the outcome has been. I\'m merely saying that it could have been thought that DC could have competed well a few months ago with ease.

Originally posted by M4

Microsoft could go out spending a large amount of money, buying out multiple of developers, and win the \'console war.\' There\'s one thing that should be kept in mind there, though: Their goal is to be profitable, not spend it all or break even. That goal is the primary one, before becoming the industry\'s leader.

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I disagree, I don\'t think MS gives a rats ass if it pulls a huge profit this round with XBox

WHY ????

Cause MS has one thing in mind this genration, grab market share and living room space.

The real war here is the battle of the living room and gateways to the internet though set top boxes. Games are the appeal that gets this all rolling and keeps it rolling.

MS is a new comer, and sure they\'d like to make a huge profit and will strive too, but whatr MS really wants is a solid footing in the market and a even playing floor for the next round.


MS can afford to buy every developer and so can Sony, but trying to buy the industry will have a reverse effect IMO and either team trying to hard to buy  out the entire industry or getting pushy will backlash IMO