Red Faction locked in at 30 FPS

30 fps isn\'t that bad. If you complain, then how do you watch TV, let alone go to the movies?

[Evi]

Don\' get me wrong, but 30 FPS is crap!! This is what Summoner was running at and it was a bit slow...even annoying at times...I really hope they can up the speed with the final product somehow... Not only because that would make the game better, but I\'m really looking forward to this game...

I was under the impression that it was almost impossible to tell the difference between 60 and 30 fps, since our eyes see only about 25 fps.

I am so sick and tired of this damn statement. Before I even bother to argue, go search for the facts. We can see way beyond 25fps.

- dm
- so whose god will f\'cking save me now?

Yes, but I hear that Red Faction is also running at a max resolution of 640x480.  I heard somewhere, I think a tech site and correct me if I\'m wrong (this does sound a little weird), but if something is running at 640x480 the TV can only run display a picture of 30 FPS, but if it\'s lower, not quite sure how much, it can run at higher frames.  It sounds kinda fishy, but any tech guys hear to correct me on this?

Anyway, while 60 FPS is obviously smoother to the eye then 30 FPS then, as long as their is no slow-down I could care less.  Sure 60 would be better, but this game is going to be fun no matter what.  I don\'t think it affect the game truthfully by all that much...just my oppinion.

[Bobs_Hardware]

I was under the impression that it was almost impossible to tell the difference between 60 and 30 fps

thats wrong dood, the human eye can notice the difference between 30 - 60 fps, and its a big difference

this is good news...but i dont see this being a stable 30fps.  Volition have done some wonderful things with the PS2, but framerate has been a problem with them.  

Don\' get me wrong, but 30 FPS is crap!! This is what Summoner was running at and it was a bit slow...even annoying at times...

Summoner had a perrfectly fine framerate...unless you wanted the camera to zoom out, then it dropped uite markedly

this is what i was talkign about, Volition have framerate troubles, but they have made great games

but it isnt the same type as gameplay as timesplitters, which IMO is easily the fastest paced FPS ever, in which it needed the good frame rate so you could turn around without having a strobe light effect.  this is going for a much more Half Life feel to it, and im hoping it can actually be a better single player game than half life...now those are expectations

Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware

and im hoping it can actually be a better single player game than half life...now those are expectations

I totally agree...it will be tough to do, but it sounds like it\'s going to be a heck of a 1 player experience.  Can\'t wait for the final game!

Well, Red Faction has never been graphically stunning, its always been about the engine\'s more advanced features.  BTW:  Trespasser was revolutionary until it was released.

Hoej,
What was Trespasser\'s about?

Oh  It was a PC game loosely based on the Jurassic Park license.  The entire world was supposed to be interactive and be based around a \'revolutionary\' arm system.  Basically this arm could do anything from picking up and firing a weapon to slapping around a branch.  All of this was supposed to be possible because of an amazing physics engine that allowed you to do whatever you wanted.

The dinosaurs around you where going to be these incredible AI beasts with moods based on the their surrounds.  You could, in theory, judge their mood just by hearing the different sounds it made.  In other words, you could hear if the T-Rex a mile away was injured or starving.

In reality, the guns got slapped out of your \'revolutionary\' hand by leaves and branches.  If a dinosaur attacked you the gun would go flying from you hand.  A lot of the levels required box stacking and the incredible, real-life physics made them slip around on top of one another like blocks of melting ice.  The difference in a dinosaur\'s moods was not noticeable and anything that suggested a personality was a scripted event.  To make maters worse, the game was made for 3DFX and was released just as the TNT was released and bought up in huge numbers, leaving many players with insanely choppy and ugly graphics.  Basically, one of the biggest let downs in gaming history.  I am sure you can search the web and find a ton about it, sort of like ET for the Atari.

Maken X for the Dreamcast ran at a constant 60 FPS, but the levels had less detail.  It ran super fast and had great graphics.  Timesplitters is the same, but everybody complains about the graphics?  I think there good, not mindblowing but good.  If you go to Sega forums you hear the same arguments about the framerate in games.  Everybody expects 60fps these days.  30 is fine by me and I\'ll be getting this game for sure!

I find this topic funny.  PS2 fanboys bash the Xbox because they say it WILL have "PC-style" games.  All of a sudden a "PC-style" game is NOW one of PS2\'s top games...go figure. :rolleyes:

Although the game is good...30 fps is still kinda disappointing.  I actually thought the DC would be the last system with 30 fps games.  However, jaggies were supposed to be a thing of the past with the PS2 also, so I\'m not at all surprised.  So I won\'t complain.  I\'ll just drag my ass off to block buster and rent that mofo.

A toast to all "PC-style" games!!! Woo-hoo!!

I\'m sorry DirectX, what was the point? I didn\'t understand a word you said. Whats wrong with PC style games? And what does Xbox have to do with this?

He\'s trying to link people who say "Xbox will get nothing but PC ports" to these people who like Red Faction with its "PC style". Style and port are two different things. If its a port, why bother. If its just the style, I don\'t see anything wrong with that. Also, even though both are coming out, Red Fraction for the PC and the PS2 are not ports of each other. They are just made at the same time (like Silent Hill 2 and Silent Hill X).

Originally posted by DirectXbox
I find this topic funny.  PS2 fanboys bash the Xbox because they say it WILL have "PC-style" games.  All of a sudden a "PC-style" game is NOW one of PS2\'s top games...go figure. :rolleyes:

Although the game is good...30 fps is still kinda disappointing.  I actually thought the DC would be the last system with 30 fps games.  However, jaggies were supposed to be a thing of the past with the PS2 also, so I\'m not at all surprised.  So I won\'t complain.  I\'ll just drag my ass off to block buster and rent that mofo.

A toast to all "PC-style" games!!! Woo-hoo!!

i wouldn\'t exactly call it a top PS2 game,graphically it isn\'t near any of the main titles (MGS2 / GT3 / etc..) coming out and gameplay-wise it\'s only a fps (with enhanced features new to the genre). it just happens to be the flavor of the month,that\'s all...don\'t get your panties all ruffled up over it,let down your hair,pull off your dress,take off the lipstick,enjoy games for what they are

Jaggies?
Ive seen those on Xbox games too.
As for 30 FPS, what do you expect on a game pushing this much physics.
If they make a part 2 then Im sure the will be able to increase the FPS.