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« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2001, 04:16:21 PM »
Maybe we should just Let China overtake Taiwan

screw that, someones got to step in and tell Tyrants no way.



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« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2001, 04:21:36 PM »
China is mainly opposed to the US giving Taiwan the Aegis defense system. The system is able to track over 100 independant planes, boats, subs, and missles. They feel that it would help Taiwan defend against a possible China invasion. The US did not want to back down from China and they also do not want to blatantly provoke them into battle so they gave Taiwan  a couple of powerful yet slightly old battleships from the 70\'s and several other weapons that I can\'t remember at the moment. Taiwan did not receive a lot of the weapons that they wanted. Which should appease China for a while.

There are so many places where war is brewing and China is only a small threat. IMO, If we do go to war with China it will not be during GWB\'s tenure as US president. I predict 2006(Give or take a year).

The next war is probably going to be in columbia. Many people say that it is only a matter of time before the US sends troops down there to shut down the drug trade. The govt. and GWB knows that George Bush Sr\'s "War on Drugs" was completely inaffective and something has to be done. The main problem is that the terrain in Columbia is almost EXACTLY like Vietnam\'s and for some reason that scares a lot of people.

Just think about it. The American people care more about things affecting their own soil (directly) than they do about China bullying Taiwan. As we all know, Politicians tend to support what the majority of the people want in order to get re-elected.

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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2001, 04:30:22 PM »
No, No, Gohan. You did make alot of good points. But if Taiwan takes this as an advantage, and declares their independence, China will act. Bush "hopes" that Taiwan won\'t do this.
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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2001, 04:37:08 PM »
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If there is a war and you are sent, try and not let them take you alive !

Don\'t Quote me on this one but i think their Goverment are not a great belever in human rights, just look at the "prison camps" they have for anti Communist crimes.



Yeah I know, that scares me. I already thought about that. If China imprisons me I\'ll committ suicide by snapping my neck or somethin that doesnt hurt.

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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2001, 05:03:51 PM »
You know Nostradamus predectited that WW.III would be started in the east.
Who knows???Maybe George W. Bush is leading his people into war.
But the guy was wrong about the world ending in the year 2000.

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« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2001, 05:05:42 PM »
You know, Eienstein once said "I don\'t know how world war III will be fought, but I know how World War IV will be fought- With sticks and stones"
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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2001, 05:40:36 PM »
China will not invade Taiwan or attack the US.  If they did so, their government would collapse and they know it.  They narrowly averted a revolution 12 years ago, so I think the leadership in China has a very good idea of what\'s at stake.  I\'m not arguing that we can take advantage of them or do anything we want; I\'m just saying that His Fraudulency\'s recent posturing with the Chinese will be proven to be relatively risk-free.
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« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2001, 06:16:04 PM »
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No, No, Gohan. You did make alot of good points. But if Taiwan takes this as an advantage, and declares their independence, China will act. Bush "hopes" that Taiwan won\'t do this.


Taiwan has no advantage. They received a couple of battleships and some missles and they were taught how to use a cool computer system but they didn\'t receive the computer system(WTF????).

China\'s navy will still kick the living sh!t out of them. China considers taiwan a rogue state and is bidding their time before they can pull it back under their influence. The US is not likely to try and stop them and if the do, don\'t expect even the amount of troops sent to Bosnia.
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« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2001, 07:25:37 PM »
Yea.. I like the part where bush expects Australia to help him with his little fight..

Ignorant bastard. Fight your own f@#ken wars...
Lets throw the dumb**** in a room with the jap leader. Let the 2 morons fight it themselfs...
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« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2001, 07:48:09 PM »
Look, there seems to be a little rampant arrogance running around in this thread and I just want to set a few things straight.

1.  If a war is fought between the US and China, you can be assured that the US will act within the UN\'s best interest and obtain the most assistance from other UN affiliated countries.  UN = power.

2.  China is NOT dumb enough to provoke the UN in any way.  The US pulls a lot of weight with that organization and you can be assured that with the UN\'s help, China would essentially be fighting many countries rather then just the US.

3.  People saying that the war will not be fought with nuclear weapons are correct.  That is to say, it won\'t start out that way.  Think of it this way, suppose for a second the US is about to be overrun finally by Chinese troops and planes and they begin bombing our cities.  Our military is smashed, 90% of our defenses are wiped out and our cities are crumbling... what\'s the best way to assure that you won\'t lose the war?  Make sure the other side isn\'t alive to enjoy their close victory.  Birds fly and pass in the air and the two largest nations on Earth are reduced to smoldering rubble.  The "nuetral countries" would be forced to face nuclear winter.  I\'m glad I live within just 10 miles of a primary target.  I will be spared the horror of survival.

4.  World powers do not fight over islands.  If they did, then we wouldn\'t have been able to purchase Alaska from Russia.  I\'m not saying China can buy Taiwan, but I am saying that the matter will die down.  For those of you thinking of Vietnam, think again.  The US was the only world power involved there.

5.  For those of you blaming President Bush for our nation\'s troubles, even those who think it\'s safe to criticize thanks to the fact that they are not goverened by him (you know who you are), it is not entirely his fault.  The president has policies, but he has a whole entire cabinet of advisors telling him what\'s good and what\'s bad.  Those people will not allow him to do something incredibally stupid enough as to threaten a massive global war between nations which could eliminate all life on Earth.  Critisize all you want, but until you sit in that big chair in the oval office, you sure can\'t understand what it is he is trying to do.  Walk 10 miles in another man\'s shoes or something...

As for the rest, in my personal opinion, war would result in no gain at all.  Germany wanted to rule the world, as did Japan, but what motivation does China or the US have when it comes to a massive scale movement such as those imagined above?  Nothing.  American\'s have always thought, just as was apparent in the pre-bombing of Pearl Harbor, and the anti-war movements in the 70\'s, that war is unacceptable until it directly affects us as a nation.  If Pearl Harbor would have never happened, the US would have never sent troops to Europe in the first place or bomb Japan in the "Dolittie Strike."  Obviously, the US didn\'t give a flying sh*t about Vietnam, which is why so many people marched in so many cities claiming war was wrong.  What happened when US troops returned from fighting in Vietnam?  They were spit on and yelled at.  The people love victories for a cause that suits the best interest of the world, but hate losses when it concerns small backwater countries that interest no one accept the invaders.

War will not happen and our world will do fine until we are destroyed through some means of massive natural disasters brought on by ourselves anyways.  War is not something we should fear, we should fear self destruction through loss of natural resources.  Cars need gas and homes need gas, but without gas, you have no heat and you have no cars.  Without either, we\'re a species just waiting to die.
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« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2001, 08:01:49 PM »
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Obviously, the US didn\'t give a flying sh*t about Vietnam, which is why so many people marched in so many cities claiming war was wrong.  What happened when US troops returned from fighting in Vietnam?  They were spit on and yelled at.


That is something that I will never understand. My uncle was drafted right out of high school and he fought for 5(?) months before the war was over. He told me how he came back and people were cursing him out and trying to attack him. Some of his friends from high school went after him too. Its not like he or most of the people fighting had a choice. My uncle was not a rich son of a politician so he couldn\'t be stationed in a nat.l guard station at a desk in Arizona and what not. I just dont understand what goes through some of these peoples minds.
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« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2001, 08:11:25 PM »
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That is something that I will never understand. My uncle was drafted right out of high school and he fought for 5(?) months before the war was over. He told me how he came back and people were cursing him out and trying to attack him. Some of his friends from high school went after him too. Its not like he or most of the people fighting had a choice. My uncle was not a rich son of a politician so he couldn\'t be stationed in a nat.l guard station at a desk in Arizona and what not. I just dont understand what goes through some of these peoples minds.


Yep, comrades and soldiers and sons of good people died for their nation and its leaders "best interests" and when they returned, alive and well, they might as well have been dead.  It\'s like the parents of columbine sueing game companies for their childrens deaths.  "oh, it was your videogames that killed my son, not the maniac wielding the sub-machine gun and pipe bombs."  Just like the US people saying "It was you that chose to fight over there rather then saying no and gotten arrested and imprisoned for avoiding the draft."  People are f*cking stupid and that stupidity continues to rear its ugly head ever so frequently in both the internet and in every nation of the world.
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« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2001, 04:41:18 AM »
You know I love you all, you\'re like family to me:) So...don\'t take it personal when I say...  WTF are you all (with some exception) talking about?!?!?!?!?!?!

Where were your hippie peace loving America bashing opinions when Billy boy sent over Americans to bomb the living Sh*T out of Serbia???

What\'s that?? Milosovic was an evil, evil man and needed to be stoped? Ha!!

The Albanians started a Guerilla war with the legitimate (like it or not) government of Serbia. In a guerilla war tactic are used that effectively hide the fighters in the civilian populace. So everyone dies. Don\'t like that? Guess what! That\'s how war works.

So....Old billy boy teamed us up with the puppet UN and we proceded to bomb Serbia into the stone age... Weeeee

That very area is where WW2 was started, why weren\'t you screaming Dumba** Billy is gonna start WW3!!!!!???

***Oh and now the supposed "good guys", the Albanians are doing guerilla attacks on Macedonia.

Go figure.


The China Tiwain situation is more complex than you think. Even I don\'t portend to know it entirely. Billy coddled and took money, and gave US secrets to the Communist-human rights ignoring-Catholic killing-suppresion of free spech regime.

Now GWB stand\'s firm.....and he\'s a dummy:rolleyes:

Taiwan is a free country and should be defended at all costs, otherwise:

1. What\'s the point of having a military. Why not just let China(or whomever) do whatever they want.

2. Oh, I get it--- We only stand tough with push over countries.

That\'s my 2 bits. And remember, I\'m just stating my crap here, I like to argue, I\'m patriotic and there are no hard feelings towards any of you.:)
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« Reply #28 on: April 27, 2001, 06:02:01 AM »
This is great news! Lets all hope for the \'worst\', so the human race will get what it deserves. Extinction.
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« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2001, 07:44:57 AM »
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Yes, I am quite aware of the circumstances under which China reclaimed Hong Kong, that was not my point.  My point was that they didn\'t interfere with something that was making them alot of money, namely, Hong Kong.

Why would they necessarily harm commerce or trade with another cash cow of the Orient, Taiwan?  This could be one reason why GWB would want a conflict with China, my original point!  :D
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