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« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2002, 07:17:24 PM »
Halo is simple yet fun.  There isn\'t much to it but for a console game the multiplayer is amazing IMO.  I could play that game for days.

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« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2002, 07:18:21 PM »
i couldnt, well untill the pc version graces me
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« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2002, 07:36:38 PM »
L-I-C summed it up :)

The levels are really really fun at the start, but they just drag on too long and I find myself about three quarters of the way through the level wanting it to be over.  Probably moreso with the repetitive levelling.  This problem in particular has dampened my experience a little :)

But I don\'t agree with complaining about the same enemies over and over.  Sure there are only  the basic few, but compare that to a game like Medal of Honor where there is only the basic ONE (with different guns tho :)) and its not so bad :)

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« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2002, 10:41:51 PM »
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I can name instances durin\' play time that the game would start to drop frames. Keep in mind, I\'m not talking massive drops, but it is still stuttering and when you pay $300 dollars for a new system and supposely buy the showcase game, you expect more than frame rate issues.


Come on now.  There are games with far worse framerate issues that Halo barely touches.  I do admit that there are plenty of instances, I notice them quite often, but it\'s not like it remains that way for the entire level.  You have to give credit for what it CAN do without said framerate issues most of the time such as great texturing (albeit repetetive in certain instances), weather effects such as rain and snow, an incredibly draw distance, fogging to add effect and not hide limited draw distance, real time lighting effects, bump mapping, the list just goes on and on and almost all of the time, it\'s a fairly stable 30FPS.  Comparisons aside, that\'s an awesome number of effects for a launch game and it looks surprisingly good as well.

As for the whole money thing, I don\'t think that\'s fair.  There are plenty of consoles released over the years and millions of games over time and it\'s VERY unfair to bash a game solely because of the hardware.  I believe that if the developers were given say, another 6 months, they could have fixed that framerate problem, but that\'s just me.  I remember how angry and underwhelmed I was when I played my PS2 and that too was 300 dollars, but I never bashed the console for that.  It\'s just an unfair bash.

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I found myself enjoying the first part of a mission, but when I had to revisit / or be in the same enviroment again, I was annoyed.


Too true, but they do spice up parts here and there to make it more bearable.  I\'d say 70% of the game is fresh for you while the other 30% is really what kills people about it.  I suppose that\'s why they have co-op.  Everything feels different and much more difficult when you\'re with a friend.  :)

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Same enemies over and over and dull weapons...


I like how you can use a set of weapons on certain levels and are given new ones at the start of a new level each time.  I also like the fact that you can carry only two weapons as well.  It adds a dynamic to the game that isn\'t easily matched.  I cycle through many weapons while playing and it\'s nice to know that I can go through the game not having just one weapon that can annihilate anything.  Besides, I think the needler rocks.  :)

As for enemies, there\'s four different types of covenant soldiers, the grunts, jackals, elites, and hunters.  The elites have about 4 different types ranging from cloaked, cloaked with plasma swords, gold elites who are MUCH smarter then standard elites, and the standard purple elites who are pretty tough on the harder difficulties.  Then of course, there\'s the flood which has another four types with the small tiny crawlers, the exploding ones, the larger attackers who have melee attacks as well as carry weapons, and of course the smaller more human sized flood who can jump through the air.  So if you count the different elites, the different covenant troops, the different flood, and then of course the covenant who use vehicles, there\'s almost 16 different types of enemies, each of which has to be approached differently.  

There\'s a grat amount of variety that you pick up when you play it on legendary and it\'s hard to describe here, but most people don\'t see it who just blow the game off after going through it on normal.  Their loss I guess, but I don\'t think the enemies and the play style should be shrugged off simply because the weapon selection is small (I disagree with that also, but I won\'t bother with it) and because the enemy selection is small, even though I addressed this directly.  It\'s funny you knock Halo for limited enemy variety, but just how varied was Shenmue when you went through it for the first time?  It\'s your GOTY, so you tell me...  ;)
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« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2002, 10:43:56 PM »
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If you really did beat the game from start to finish, you\'d know that there were a lot more enemies then just the basic 4... Also, don\'t forget the fact that a lot of these guys are in vehicles too.  I count them as seperate enemies altogether.


I never said there were only four enemies for the entire game... I said that you have to shoot four types of enemies for hours and hours... then you are correct in that those enemies will be replaced with about four more new ones for more hours and hours... [Swarms, Floating Turrets [some good and some bad], Exploding Monsters, and Humanlike Monsters]... I might be forgetting something but I don\'t think so...

For a long time you encounter nothing more then the same four creatures... Oh you might encounter a few from time to time that are in a Vehicle [Once again I think there were about four of them... a Hovertank, Flyer, Jetbike and Turret]... Those were rare though...

The problem I had with the Weapons was that there were so few of them and some of them were even the same damn thing... I mean when you have so few weapons then coming up with something more unique should not be a problem... a Rapid fire weapon that shoots lasers is not much different then a Rapid fire weapon that shoots bullets... not in game terms...

I\'m sorry that this thread had been turned into a Halo bashing thread... That wasn\'t my intention...
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« Reply #35 on: August 05, 2002, 10:51:59 PM »
Is Halflife any different?  How many different kinds of enemies are in that game?  Weapons?  And those weapons are different, it\'s not as simple as you say.

The human pistol shoots an accurate bullet, you can zoom.  Pretty standard pistol.  The Convenant pistol shoots an energy blast that temporarily stuns an enemy, although it does far less damage than the human counterpart, it has its uses and is not simply a repainted human pistol.

Both have their uses.  The weapons that exist in the game are all unique--you simply cannot trade one for the other as you do in your post.  Also, factor in the vehicles and their weapons and you have many more.  You aren\'t considering the entire game.
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« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2002, 10:54:07 PM »
I still feel the dynamics of each weapon are different.  As I said, I use each one for different reasons and I use each one to explore the weaknesses of my enemies.  If you have a plasma hand gun and a needler on Legendary and fighting a hunter, you can do little damage unless you melee him to death, which is an art I can do easily, but is definitely far too difficult for a novice.  I\'ll just say that each weapon has pluses and minues and those are only explored depending on which enemies you encounter.  I don\'t know, maybe I just play too much of it to notice all these quirks about each little thing.  I can see how you can say the plasma gun is the same as a rifle, but honestly, in my opinion, the two are like night and day.
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« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2002, 01:34:42 PM »
Shenmue II was obviously game of the year last year. Unfortunately, from the looks of this year, it will be again.


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« Reply #38 on: August 06, 2002, 03:14:10 PM »
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Thats a good one, Altered...
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« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2002, 04:11:04 PM »
"I  have felt a great disturbance in the force; as if a million
voices suddenly cried out in terror."

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it was just altered realizing that shenmue 2 on the xbox was a sloppy port
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« Reply #40 on: August 07, 2002, 08:03:33 AM »
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Shenmue II was obviously game of the year last year. Unfortunately, from the looks of this year, it will be again.


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« Reply #41 on: August 07, 2002, 09:54:55 AM »
I thought this was locked...

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it was just altered realizing that shenmue 2 on the xbox was a sloppy port


I guess this proves once and for all that DC is the most powerful console out there...

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« Reply #42 on: August 07, 2002, 07:33:30 PM »
I have to first say that no matter how hard I try to deny if I am an PS2 fanboy and for the most part proud of it.  I defend the PS2 all the time but I also defend gamecube mainly because like many people I was raised on Nintendo.  I can\'t turn my back on it.  

It\'s like your first car  think of how you loved it so much and you spend so much time with it and it got you where you wanted to go.  Sure if was a piece of $h!t but you didn\'t care because it was all you had.  Then You get money and get something better so are you dump it off and have run in your new car and curse that piece of crap that you used to have becaue now you have something technically superior that is guaranteed to give you pure satisfaction.  

But on sometimes you think back to all the memories you had with your first car and it makes you smile.  That\'s what\'s I mean with game consoles.  Most of us started out with a basic system like NES/SNES or Genesis and then it was cool.  Then playstation came out and divided the crowds and broke up into battles of loyalty.  

I\'m only saying that even with the new systems like Xbox, PS2, GC and DC we all love our systems but we should always look back on the originators that gave us so many late nights of fun that made us late for school the next morning.   Being a fanboy kills the spirit of gaming by bashing those who don\'t own the same system as yourselfs.  Hatred or biased towards a system is just a waste of time.

I admit I am biased against Microsoft even though 60% of my pc has microsoft parts of products.  I put down Xbox many times but there are some games that interest me.  I like DOA3 and Panzer Dragoon is very tempting.  I don\'t like the fact that GC uses mini DVD and I think that mario sunshine commercial is gay but I\'m really interested in Metriod after seeing a few videos and even though I though the N64 was one of the worst systems ever most of my best gaming memories were of multiplayer games of WCW Revenge, Goldeneye and Perfect Dark.

So what I\'m saying is that there are too many great things about games to let the negative issues be a problem.  Besides being a bashing systems without good reason is just pointless I\'d own all 4 next gen systems but I just can\'t buy a system for one game cuz it just seems like a waste though a Gamecube is in my future...
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