Ken Park

Alright Racer, now I\'ve seen this movie.

I\'m still puzzled as to where all that shocking imagery is.

I\'ve read about all the nudity/sex etc., but the truth is you hardly see anything \'shocking\'. The only thing is the guy jerking off, but other than that is was pretty tame. You don\'t see any actual oral sex nor penetration. It\'s all implied.

As for the suicide - have you seen Full Metal Jacket? The suicide in that is much more graphic (or at least I remember it that way).

As for the movie itself - I don\'t think it was half bad.

I guess I\'m in the minority because I actually liked "Kids" and "Bully".

The fact that "Bully" was based on a true story made it that much more interesting to me. Those kids were ruthless. In a lot of movies, murder is such an easy thing for the stars to do. I like how "Bully" shows the kids planning the murder like its an easy Hollywood production before they are faced with the reality of it.

"I have no legs. I have no legs."

Samwise, whats shocking is not the actual nudity or sex itself, but the way its implied. The way his father so tenderly strokes his 15 yr old sons leg hair before reaching out and touching his dick, its just sick.

The autoerotic asphyxiation scene was also pretty creepy. Kids die from doing these kinda things, and by the amount that kid came, I can see kids all across town trying it out.

It was just a twisted film. It didn\'t (IMO) make any sense, and it was just creepy because it revolved around kids.

Samwise, freaking hell, you see a kid eat out his girlfriends mum.

Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
Samwise, whats shocking is not the actual nudity or sex itself, but the way its implied. The way his father so tenderly strokes his 15 yr old sons leg hair before reaching out and touching his dick, its just sick.

The autoerotic asphyxiation scene was also pretty creepy. Kids die from doing these kinda things, and by the amount that kid came, I can see kids all across town trying it out.

It was just a twisted film. It didn\'t (IMO) make any sense, and it was just creepy because it revolved around kids.

Samwise, freaking hell, you see a kid eat out his girlfriends mum.

And you don\'t think these things really happen?

I think it\'s important to open your mind once in a while (or preferably all the time). The movie is not unrealistic! That\'s the whole point! It is of course dramaticed to fit in a movie perspective.

Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
Samwise, freaking hell, you see a kid eat out his girlfriends mum.

Yeah, I liked that scene too.

^^

I know that these things happen, but thats the point, they shouldn\'t happen! Kids shouldn\'t have to go through with this. Just because it happens doesn\'t make it right.

It was gritty, disturbing, and certainly struck a chord within me (which is exactly what art is supposed to do), I just think its so tacky. Do people really need to see this sort of stuff just to say "hmm, that was entertaining"? Its art for arts sake. The movie had no plot or good moral value at the end, it left the viewer feeling sick, it did for me anyway.

[nO-One]

shocking, disturbing and considered utter trash by the general public.....I must see this movie.

Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
^^

I know that these things happen, but thats the point, they shouldn\'t happen! Kids shouldn\'t have to go through with this. Just because it happens doesn\'t make it right.

It was gritty, disturbing, and certainly struck a chord within me (which is exactly what art is supposed to do), I just think its so tacky. Do people really need to see this sort of stuff just to say "hmm, that was entertaining"? Its art for arts sake. The movie had no plot or good moral value at the end, it left the viewer feeling sick, it did for me anyway.

That\'s the thing. I don\'t think it\'s entertainment, but rather it makes me think. And isn\'t that what art should strive for? If I wanted brainless entertainment I\'d watch the latest stupid Hollywood blockbuster.

Imagine having a father like that no-good white trash beer-drinking dad. Yuck.

Originally posted by ##RaCeR##
I know that these things happen, but thats the point, they shouldn\'t happen! Kids shouldn\'t have to go through with this. Just because it happens doesn\'t make it right.

It was gritty, disturbing, and certainly struck a chord within me (which is exactly what art is supposed to do), I just think its so tacky. Do people really need to see this sort of stuff just to say "hmm, that was entertaining"? Its art for arts sake. The movie had no plot or good moral value at the end, it left the viewer feeling sick, it did for me anyway.

People shouldn\'t get commit murder; but It happened in just about every movie this year but Seabiscuit and Finding Nemo.

Is it the realism that you had a problem with? Would you rather he implied that all that bad stuff was happening? Do you think it would have had the same effect on the audience? I\'m sure he wanted you to be disturbed by what you were seeing.

Gohan, I was maily disturbed by the fact that it wasn\'t seen as being negative. It was like it was totally okay for the father to be molesting his son, that is was ok for this guy to kill his two grandparents in the nude and then go and jack off afterwards.

It didn\'t have a moral to the story or anything. Have you seen it?

If not, I suggest you have a look before commenting further.