Things we could do without...

[clips]

all hail clipism! so the question is when is sin not a sin? you can kill somebody it\'s a sin, when you\'re fighting a war and kill, is it still a sin? It is but it\'s for a righteous cause right? Being slightly sarcastic but serious at the same time also.

point is you gotta have rules,..you gotta have guidlines..remember those virgin comercials (cell phone) with the naked people in them? I don\'t want to sound like an old fart but even i felt that those commercials were inappropriate. As far as good or bad is concerned there is a gray area concerning abortions and things of that nature..but like someone stated earlier something considered  bad today will be accepted tomorrow.

Problem with non-Christians is how poorly they misinterpret the Bible. For example, they can\'t distinguish between the NEW and OLD testament.

This is simple.

Old testament = No longer in practice.

New testament = What most Christians try to abide by today.

The church has been corrupt by politics and other outside influences over the years, often plagued with hypocrisy.

I\'m all about a personal relationship, me and God.

Jesus rocks as well.

So do you just read the bible and follow god as opposed to heading to church all the time?

Honestly I rarely just pick up the Bible and read it. I do go to church a lot and help out, because it makes me feel good to just help out. Some churches are more corrupt then others, as biased as this may sound, my church is very clean cut and extremely friendly.

I think its important to take some parts of the Bible with a grain of salt, and use your own intuition to determine what God wants.

"What does God need with a starship?" --Captain James T. Kirk

Julius Cæsar » Jesus Christ. The Romans were the true authors of the New Testament. Christianity was created by the Romans as a tool, originally intended to be used by Roman aristocrats and priests to keep the slaves of Rome humble, fearful, hopeful, and submissive. Slavery was paramount to Roman aristocracy and to the Roman economy. Christianity emphasizes poverty, humility, submission, and servitude, with the promise of a glorious afterlife in heaven, but only following a lifetime of suffering obedient servility on earth.

Amazing, Spudz knows how to copy and paste.

I also know to save time by simply cutting and pasting my exact point.

[Titan]

Spudz, you have a good point. It was also used as a tool during the medieval times as a weapon by saying that "this war is god\'s war, fight in it". As for people saying that true happiness is with God, I say that is a load of crap. I\'ve been agnostic/athiest for 3 years now and I\'ve never been happier. I have morals and a really nice and moral person. Did I get these from the Bible and religion? Some, but like abortion and premarital relations were crushed when I became athiest. Before, I was prolife and anti sex and antiperverted (like whacking off, etc). Now, I\'m neutral on abortion (I could care less), can\'t wait to have sex and have my hormones get the best of me sometimes. Does that mean I\'m immoral? No. I have morals. I don\'t lie, cheat or look down on others. Religion can be a good thing to follow, but there are too many people that take it way too seriously and literal. Also, I believe religion was intended as a way to guide people\'s lives. I believe the Bible was never a basis for religion but more as a way to guide people with stories to teach morals and lessons. God don\'t need me and I don\'t need him.

[clips]

Originally posted by Titan
Spudz, you have a good point. It was also used as a tool during the medieval times as a weapon by saying that "this war is god\'s war, fight in it". As for people saying that true happiness is with God, I say that is a load of crap. I\'ve been agnostic/athiest for 3 years now and I\'ve never been happier. I have morals and a really nice and moral person. Did I get these from the Bible and religion? Some, but like abortion and premarital relations were crushed when I became athiest. Before, I was prolife and anti sex and antiperverted (like whacking off, etc). Now, I\'m neutral on abortion (I could care less), can\'t wait to have sex and have my hormones get the best of me sometimes. Does that mean I\'m immoral? No. I have morals. I don\'t lie, cheat or look down on others. Religion can be a good thing to follow, but there are too many people that take it way too seriously and literal. Also, I believe religion was intended as a way to guide people\'s lives. I believe the Bible was never a basis for religion but more as a way to guide people with stories to teach morals and lessons. God don\'t need me and I don\'t need him.

i usually don\'t chime in much with religious threads but "god don\'t need me and i don\'t need him" i know you don\'t believe in him or whatever but you gotta admit..we come from somewhere...the big bang theory or the neantherthal (spell)  theory i don\'t buy it. we just didn\'t appear from cosmic dust..i believe in one shape or another that we all have guardian angels watching over us..you can\'t say that you\'ve never been in a situation where you was like "damn i just can\'t believe i just got outa that jam!" there are other forces at work whether you realize it or not..

i had to put this in..looking at what i wrote might bring a little heat on me..i respect the fact that you have your beliefs..but let me ask you this and everyone else who doesn\'t believe in god..who do you think is our creator?

Then there are the situations that leave you wondering where the hell is your guardian angel?!

Guardian angel, fate, luck...whatever you want to call it.

[clips]

Originally posted by Ginko
Then there are the situations that leave you wondering where the hell is your guardian angel?!

Guardian angel, fate, luck...whatever you want to call it.

in those situations i look at it as a learning experience..hell you don\'t want them to bail you out of everything right?

[Titan]

Originally posted by clips
i usually don\'t chime in much with religious threads but "god don\'t need me and i don\'t need him" i know you don\'t believe in him or whatever but you gotta admit..we come from somewhere...the big bang theory or the neantherthal (spell)  theory i don\'t buy it. we just didn\'t appear from cosmic dust..i believe in one shape or another that we all have guardian angels watching over us..you can\'t say that you\'ve never been in a situation where you was like "damn i just can\'t believe i just got outa that jam!" there are other forces at work whether you realize it or not..

i had to put this in..looking at what i wrote might bring a little heat on me..i respect the fact that you have your beliefs..but let me ask you this and everyone else who doesn\'t believe in god..who do you think is our creator?

Yes, we did come from somewhere but I don\'t think some "supreme being" made everything. Then where did he come from? He couldn\'t have just appeared out of no where. That what created God? That couldn\'t have come out of no where. I believe in the big bang and the fact things evolved from there. This took billions of years to do (too tired to fully explain and the fact it would take forever). In a nutshell, earth was created through a long drawn out process of chemical reactions and synthesis. After the earth formed a familiar look and after years of it being in the molten state, the first cells were formed either in a primortial soup or when bacteria came in on asteroids and landed in earths ocean. All this has a one in a septtillion chance of happening. I don\'t feel like going into details but just thought I\'d give you enough so you can search for yourself (or I post in pieces, either way).

Man, why the hell does everyone have to have such long posts in multi-paragraph form, when you could have the thing said and done in under 3 sentences.

Thats why no one participates in these really- too much reading.