Things we could do without...

Ever wonder what life would be like without silly little things gnats, butt hair, boy bands, politics, pride, or religion?  While all these topics deserve their own special attention I\'d like to turn to religion for this post.  

Why is it that so many people are obsessed with looking beyond themselves for answers to their lives?  Their beliefs, morals, and ultimately their existence are drawn from an unknown and they reinforce their lives off it everyday.  Ask yourself...are your beliefs entirely random as to what household you ended up in or what side of town you grew up on, what country you were born in?  

God, Allah, Mecca, etc.  Same thing, different spelling.

How is it that so many people abandon free thinking for faith?  Are people so drained of life that they\'ve lost the ability to interpret life as it is so instead take a page from someone elses book?  A someone claiming to know the rights and wrongs of any given religion...someone, a person just like you and me, claiming they know how to live.    

Did you know that the catholic church used to burn people for proclaiming that the sun was the center of our galaxy?  The church found it unaccpetable that man would not be placed in the center of the universe so they killed people for it.  You know how that one turned out...

How about the fact that it\'s been historically proven Mary Magdalene and Jesus were an item all those years ago when the church has been preaching she was a whore.  Turns out she was of royal blood...oops again.

Those are just two examples but you get the point.  What\'s not proven is open for discussion...think of something, we\'ll make them believe it so to speak.

BAh!  There are so many directions I could go with this...I just needed to vent.  I\'m getting tired of bible thumpers and their rants that boil down to inequality, self-righteousness, and their own foolish pride.

Perhaps religion started with good intentions but it\'s been largely distorted to become the largest grounds for prejudice.

I see this as being the religious thread of the month, whether you intended it to be or not.  

What I can add to this is the shear fact that I\'m not religious and people are continously speaking to me about The Passion.  Just because I\'m not religious, and not dying to see this movie, doesn\'t mean I\'m a bad person.  It is possible to have morals without being religious.

The sooner someone goes ahead and develops a cheap, effecient, abundant, and clean energy source, the better off we\'ll be.  I\'m sick and tired of everyone on Earth living and dying by the crude we pump each day and how this insignificant black crap can rule all of our lives in one way or another.

Careful Ryu.... With talk like that you might upset GmanJoe.


anyway you might want to look into the Hydrogen Fuel cell debate, and the fact that ICELAND plans to be Fossile Fuel Froo By 2020.

Froo indeed.  And 2020 isn\'t soon enough.  I was speaking more about cold fusion then anything else.

Ah only noticed my type-o after i posted it

Cold Fusion might be later than 2020.

But your right... we need to cut our over dependence on oil, its a Finite resource and has a high impact to both human health and the environment.

[GmanJoe]

Originally posted by Ryu
The sooner someone goes ahead and develops a cheap, effecient, abundant, and clean energy source, the better off we\'ll be.  I\'m sick and tired of everyone on Earth living and dying by the crude we pump each day and how this insignificant black crap can rule all of our lives in one way or another.

We have hydrogen powered cars in our city. The biproduct is water vapor. So be patient. And don\'t bother with ooseven, he\'s all piss and fart but no real substance. He doesn\'t know that much about America as he thinks he does.

Originally posted by Bozco
I see this as being the religious thread of the month, whether you intended it to be or not.  

What I can add to this is the shear fact that I\'m not religious and people are continously speaking to me about The Passion.  Just because I\'m not religious, and not dying to see this movie, doesn\'t mean I\'m a bad person.  It is possible to have morals without being religious.

It is possible to have morals and not be religious. But, where do you think those morals came from? The Bible. Everything that is good comes from the Bible.

Originally posted by Deadpool
It is possible to have morals and not be religious. But, where do you think those morals came from? The Bible. Everything that is good comes from the Bible.

your kidding right? :eek:
not to say that the bible doesn\'t have good morals, but to say they \'invented\' it is just stupid!

[GmanJoe]

Originally posted by politiepet
your kidding right? :eek:
not to say that the bible doesn\'t have good morals, but to say they \'invented\' it is just stupid!

In my old anthropology class, I remember reading that a lot of morals and culture of the past and present are greatly influenced by religion.

No, not just the Bible. I said "religion".

1 : moral principles, teachings, or conduct
2 a : the mental and emotional condition (as of enthusiasm, confidence, or loyalty) of an individual or group with regard to the function or tasks at hand b : a sense of common purpose with respect to a group : ESPRIT DE CORPS
3 : the level of individual psychological well-being based on such factors as a sense of purpose and confidence in the future

A respect for living and those around you can be owned by anyone.

"This is the way in to heaven."  Doesn\'t that upset you in the least bit that a person could be telling you this?  Why is it so acceptable when millions are doing?  What makes them so sure or what started it all?

It was once believed that the rising and setting of the sun was due to Helios and a flaming chariot.  Earthquakes and tidal waves were the wrath of Posiedon(sp?), and those were eventually proven to be false by science.  Could it be that someday science will have all the answers that relegion still claims...Where do we come from, what are we doing here, and what is the meaning of it all?

Why is it either God or The Big Bang Theory?  These two sound pretty similar to me.  Everything from nothing.  A singularity that created it all...why is it that religion was so opposed to scholars back in the day as to call them heretics.  Could it be a struggle for power?

And the bible...I\'ve never opened it to tell the truth but I used to go to church every Sunday.  Everything I\'ve heard always starts with "As told by", then it\'s followed by a disciple\'s name or something like that.  People lie and exaggerate sometimes, even more so to get a point across.  I do think that some of the readings are inspirational but at what costs...the truth, perhaps your ability to think for yourself.

[GmanJoe]

Veritas! Veritas! Beware.....some truths can burn your soul and change you into a quivering pile of flesh (or jello, if you\'re fat).

Originally posted by GmanJoe
We have hydrogen powered cars in our city. The biproduct is water vapor. So be patient. And don\'t bother with ooseven, he\'s all piss and fart but no real substance. He doesn\'t know that much about America as he thinks he does.

We have all these kinds of cars around here and it certainly doesn\'t hurt that the Prious is the car of the year according to all the famous car award givers (if that stands for anything) and it gets friggn excellent gas mileage while being relatively affordable and  fairly stylish as far as hybrid cars go.  I\'m glad to see alternatives to ween the general public off of fossil fuels, but the question in the thread wasn\'t really dealing with how far away technology is or just how grounded our wants are in some type of perpetual realism that\'s "far away."  It\'s what I want and I want it today.  Whether or not it will happen, is a totaly different thread altogether.

Ginko is asking for, basically, religion to take a much more subtle approach in people\'s lives rather then this full blown evangelist crap we see everyday when people use the words of the bible as a sword or a shield rather then as a warm blanket for comfort or a device for knowledge.  He certainly won\'t have that this year, and I won\'t get my cold fusion, but hey, we could certianly, as a species, learn to do without fossile fuels and excessive religion.

[videoholic]

Larry David drives a Prius on CYE.  That show rocks...

there is also the Honda V3...

In addition to the ultracapacitor, Honda introduces an abundance of other advances in the FCX V3 over earlier fuel-cell concepts. They include:

Lighter weight and a 50 percent larger hydrogen fuel tank.
A lighter, more compact and more powerful drive motor.
Four-passenger seating.
A 10-second startup time versus 10 minutes.
A 5-minute refueling time versus 20 minutes.
Weight is still a problem with electric-based vehicles, and the FCX is no exception. It has pounds to shed before it can match scales with today\'s small sedans. Honda says the FCX has a 3600-pound curb weight versus about 2400 pounds for a similar-size car with an internal-combustion engine. The fuel-cell stack must go on a serious diet before a salable version of this vehicle can be produced

http://popularmechanics.com/automotive/concept_cars/2000/12/Hydrogen_Fuel-Cell_Car/print.phtml

From the sounds of things the Car would be "do-able" with the excpetion of the following (reason why there is a 10 to 20 year wait).

• Weight of the Car is still two heavy (requirment in design refinement)
• The weight also causes the car to doesn\'t react slowly to sudden turns
• the distrobution of Hydrogen Fuel and storage tanks to conventional petrol (gas)stations.