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Offline Coredweller
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« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2004, 11:41:39 AM »
I\'m trying to figure out if you\'ve at least watched the movies.  If so, perhaps you noticed something you didn\'t like about it.  Then you tell me and we discuss it.  That\'s how a movie review usually works.

One thing I can\'t stand it when people say "Michael Moore is shit" or "his movies are inaccurate," but they haven\'t made any effort to evaluate the movie themselves.  They just heard from someone else that they shouldn\'t like it.  I\'m not saying that is you.  I\'m just trying to start this conversation on a stable footing.
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« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2004, 10:58:24 PM »
I really don\'t get this whole arguement that his films aren\'t documentaries.  Since when was it decided that a documentary can\'t have a spin on it or can\'t be trying to convey a message with what it\'s showing?  Many documentaries do this, it just isn\'t always as strong or clear a point as in Moore\'s.  If they aren\'t documentaries, why don\'t you tell me what they are?

And all in all, I basically agree with all that Coredweller is saying.  It\'s easy to go and look up a site that has errors that may or may not even be valid in his documentary, but when and if you saw it yourself, what did you take away, what did you hate so much about it besides maybe that he was presenting a different opinion from yours?  If you haven\'t seen it at all, you have no reason to be insulting it, and if you did, that\'s what would really interest me, what it was that you personally found wrong about it.
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« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2004, 02:39:50 AM »
As much as I hate censorship, I hate more when people use the word and don\'t know what it means.. Disney owns the release right\'s, okay? If they own those rights, that gives them the right to release it or not release it. That is their choice, as a business. Now, censorship, would be them releasing it and editing out important parts of it to serve a general purpose, but they aren\'t doing that. Instead, they are simply acting on their rights to release or not release.

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« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2004, 05:45:04 AM »
exactly
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« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2004, 05:09:47 PM »
I am just waiting on someone to argue my point, but we all know I am right. It is not censorship.

Do you people realize how many films are funded and not released? There are a bunch, even one\'s with big name actors. I don\'t see you people crying censorship on that, but instead, this is Michael Moore and it just has to be censorship, right?

Seriously, this has nothing to do with "Land of the free", "cenorship" or any of that NON-SENSE. This is a simple case of a company making a choice not to release a film, but in the process of this, somehow , some of you people have decided to spin doctor this into a cenorship story.

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« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2004, 06:43:51 PM »
You don\'t understand Giga, if he makes more usernames more people will agree with him.

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« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2004, 07:30:05 PM »
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I am just waiting on someone to argue my point, but we all know I am right. It is not censorship.

Do you people realize how many films are funded and not released? There are a bunch, even one\'s with big name actors. I don\'t see you people crying censorship on that, but instead, this is Michael Moore and it just has to be censorship, right?

Seriously, this has nothing to do with "Land of the free", "cenorship" or any of that NON-SENSE. This is a simple case of a company making a choice not to release a film, but in the process of this, somehow , some of you people have decided to spin doctor this into a cenorship story.
Wow you certainly are proud of yourself, making two posts to repeat the same point.

It hasn\'t been proven what Disney\'s motivation was for backing out of their distribution agreement with Miramax.  They could have made the decision because they see themselves as catering primarily to redneck middle america, and they don\'t want to be accused of being liberal.  That seems to be what you all want to believe, and if it\'s true, then it is spineless, shortsighted, and weak, but not exactly censorship.  The situation would be no different from those of other films that are axed by their studios as you mentioned above.

HOWEVER, if Disney reached the decision because they were concerned that distributing a political film that was critical of GW Bush would piss of his brother the governor of Florida, and endanger the corporate welfare they\'re receiving from that state, then I believe there is a definite tinge of censorship about it.  What do you call it when a Governor exerts direct or indirect pressure to have a film shelved because he doesn\'t like the content?  Do you want a government official telling you that you shouldn\'t see something?

I know many of you don\'t care about this because you don\'t like Michael Moore, you\'ve never seen his movies, and you don\'t plan to see this one.  However, try to reverse the situation and tell me how you\'d feel if it was a film containing conservative viewpoints, funded by a corporation based in Vermont, and that corporation backed out of a distribution deal because they were afraid Gov Howard Dean would cut off their tax breaks.

(I know it\'s hard to imagine, but give it a try :p)  I don\'t know why people like you, L-I-C, find it so easy to applaud this kind of back-stabbing corporate decision making.
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« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2004, 07:32:58 PM »
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You don\'t understand Giga, if he makes more usernames more people will agree with him.


And those people will be himself. BTW, he\'s becoming the next BS2girl.
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« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2004, 11:15:11 PM »
What recent works from him have you viewed Cored?  I haven\'t seen anything from Moore, thus why I\'m not joining the debate.  I\'m about 100% positive I\'ll disagree but I still want to check it all out.

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« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2004, 11:15:19 PM »
*shrug*  I never had a problem with Miramax choosing not to distribute the film.  It\'s really their loss, since they funded it and now won\'t see a return on that funding.  I can see why Moore would make a big deal about it considering the political reasons surrounding it, but whatever.  It\'s not like it won\'t be released and not like people won\'t see it anyway.
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« Reply #40 on: May 09, 2004, 08:09:12 AM »
It\'s a really easy way for him to get free advertising for his film and it\'s working like a charm.
Wrong. There are two other people who can.
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« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2004, 03:59:52 AM »
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One thing I can\'t stand it when people say "Michael Moore is shit" or "his movies are inaccurate," but they haven\'t made any effort to evaluate the movie themselves.  They just heard from someone else that they shouldn\'t like it.  I\'m not saying that is you.  I\'m just trying to start this conversation on a stable footing.


I place "Bowling" in the crap bin along with "JFK". I\'d rather watch "Grease".
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« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2004, 06:14:07 AM »
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I place "Bowling" in the crap bin along with "JFK". I\'d rather watch "Grease".
I think we already knew you felt that way.  I was trying to find out WHY.

BTW, you believe in the Warren Commission Report?  :laughing:
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« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2004, 06:34:45 AM »
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I think we already knew you felt that way.  I was trying to find out WHY.

BTW, you believe in the Warren Commission Report?  :laughing:


As much as I give credibility to Moore and "JFK". :p
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