The big PS3 PAL delay

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meh i was going to wait for this thing anyway...somehow i think even with normal defects that come with the first shipping, now i really feel that alot of these systems being shipped on the ship date are going to have some major issues...and delaying europe? it really is baffling, this was sony\'s time to shine and nearly every step of the way they have stumbled....

From Gamespot\'s editors :

"But much as I dislike the notion of not being able to get my hands on some sleek, new, cutting-edge gaming lounge-ware, from a business perspective, Sony was left with little real choice. Why mess up three markets, when you can just mess up two instead? At least, with the figures on actual consoles available even in Japan and the US, that\'s mostly how it looks."

Link : http://www.gamespot.com/features/6157294/index.html?tag=topslot;action;1

They make some good points imo.

It seems Ken Kutaragi is mighty pissed at the rest of Sony for not being able to deliver on its promises.

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=reutersEdge&storyID=2006-09-08T105025Z_01_ZWE839007_RTRUKOC_0_TECH-SONY.xml&pageNumber=0&imageid=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage3

"If you asked me if Sony\'s strength in hardware was in decline, right now I guess I would have to say that might be true," game unit head Ken Kutaragi said after Sony pushed back the PS3\'s European launch by four months to March.

Don’t worry Ken, its not your fault.

It seems Sony Shiroishi Semiconductor are the ones to blame for not being able to manufacture the promised amount of blue laser diodes.

the manufacturing of blue-laser diodes was commited to Sony Shiroishi Semiconductor, one of child companies of Sony the parent company. Test production and test mass production were without troubles but apparently in July it was discovered that some reactors had good yield while others didn\'t. They could fix the optimal parameters for each reactor recently so it incurred approximately one-month delay.

Thanks to one @ B3D for the translation

Once the system is out I hope all the troubles are over ( and I don’t want a 360 fiasco post release, where 40-50% of the systems break!), because the recent months have seriously put a dent in the PlayStation image in some peoples eyes. GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER!

Seems the downfall started when STRINGER took over the ship. Can’t have a white man rule a Japanese corp, everything starts de-syncing.

Here are the shipment plans from release up to the Euro-release.

blue-violet laser semiconductors installed in other Sony products were produced in a single reactor while for PS3 they had to use multiple reactors at the same time to process millions for the shipment target. As for buying laser semiconductors from other companies, it was not possible since others still can\'t handle mass production of these chips. The mass production of PS3 was delayed from early Septmeber to late September.

The US market is prioritized as Thanksgiving is in November. From late September, mass-produced PS3 will be shipped by boats to the US and the last batches will be by air. Since PS3 will be manufactured in Japan and China they can secure the assignment for Japan later than for the US.

As for Europe, PS3 shipped by boats in late January will reach there in early March. However, for the launch day, 1 million PS3 are secured for EU. They plan to ship 1.5 million PS3 to EU in March.

The initial target, 6 million PS3 till March 2007, is unchanged. Their internal target was 7.5 million and they plan to increase the output per month to 1.2 million.

Other parts are apparently in good yield. Cell has almost too good yield and they have 3 million of them. RSX, the 90nm southbridge chip, the RF controller chip for Blu-ray called "Savanna" are in good yield too.

Once again, thanks to One @ B3D for translating.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showpost.php?p=825209&postcount=164

[Paul2]

This makes me realize something according to my experience with Sony products.

I remember back in Oct/Nov of 2000, when I first had my first dvd player which was also made by Sony.  The disc reading quality was average imo.  It doesn\'t even support cd-r discs.

Then in July 2001 when I first had my ps2, after years of usage.  I found out it have below average disc reading quality.  I guess most of you can remember the infamous disc read errors.  Now, my ps2 can read dvd games and dvd video okay, but it have problems reading CD Audio and CD games.  As if with time pass, the below average reading quality of the lasers worn out  or something.

I think around that time, my brother first bought a Sony CD Boombox, and everything seems to work out good, except the disc reading quality.  Again, it seems like the laser reading quality is average at best.  If the quality of the disc is below average or poor.  the music would freeze or skips.

Judging from my experiences with most of sony products, I can see most of their electronics quality are good except the lasers pickup.  Except Sony CD/DVD writers which were rebaged from 3rd party manufacturers such as Lite-On and Ben-Q which have really good to great read and write quality.

I can\'t say about later generations ps2 such as the slim ps2 having any disc read errors problem that early ps2 generations plagued.  Maybe those who do can chime in.  But base on my experience, most of sony early generation products have average to below average lasers reading quality.

No disc reading problems with any PAL PS2\'s nor PStwo\'s here.

My Xbox does have some problems with loading during PGR2 though...

This makes me realize something according to my experience with Sony products.

I remember back in Oct/Nov of 2000, when I first had my first dvd player which was also made by Sony.  The disc reading quality was average imo.  It doesn\'t even support cd-r discs.

Then in July 2001 when I first had my ps2, after years of usage.  I found out it have below average disc reading quality.  I guess most of you can remember the infamous disc read errors.  Now, my ps2 can read dvd games and dvd video okay, but it have problems reading CD Audio and CD games.  As if with time pass, the below average reading quality of the lasers worn out  or something.

I think around that time, my brother first bought a Sony CD Boombox, and everything seems to work out good, except the disc reading quality.  Again, it seems like the laser reading quality is average at best.  If the quality of the disc is below average or poor.  the music would freeze or skips.

Judging from my experiences with most of sony products, I can see most of their electronics quality are good except the lasers pickup.  Except Sony CD/DVD writers which were rebaged from 3rd party manufacturers such as Lite-On and Ben-Q which have really good to great read and write quality.

I can\'t say about later generations ps2 such as the slim ps2 having any disc read errors problem that early ps2 generations plagued.  Maybe those who do can chime in.  But base on my experience, most of sony early generation products have average to below average lasers reading quality.

Its weird that most people have problems with the CD format. Mine doesnt play CDs either anymore.

When my PS2 didnt play any disks at all and opened it to fixed it, I realized that the lens in certain positions  playied CDs like a dream but didnt play the DVD format at all. When I positioned the lens so it would play DVDs it didnt play CDs.

I ve tried to position it so it would play both but to no avail . Currently it is set to play DVD movies and DVD based games

[Paul2]

Its weird that most people have problems with the CD format. Mine doesnt play CDs either anymore.

When my PS2 didnt play any disks at all and opened it to fixed it, I realized that the lens in certain positions  playied CDs like a dream but didnt play the DVD format at all. When I positioned the lens so it would play DVDs it didnt play CDs.

I ve tried to position it so it would play both but to no avail . Currently it is set to play DVD movies and DVD based games

Funny How you mentioned that because that was the case with my playstation 2 too.

I also wrote an update weeks ago about my ps2 ribbon problems and this is part of what I wrote,

[INDENT]"...After hours of adjusting the gear, I couldn\'t find a spot that can read both the dvd and cd. If I find a spot that can read dvd discs, but it have trouble reading cd discs. If i find a spot that can read cd discs, it have trouble reading dvd discs. Mine ps2 really does have crappy laser pickup. So, I gave up and adjusted the gear back to the factory default spot..."[/INDENT]

After I adjusted the gear back to the default spot, it will only play DVD discs but not CD discs.  I have to flip the ps2 to stand vertically for it to reads CD discs.

Here is the Link  on my update if you are interested.

Well its an interesting read thats for sure. But it wont help fixing my PS2 to play TTT again

[Paul2]

have you ever try standing the ps2 vertically?  That\'s what I do to CD discs in order to play psone and ps2 games.

If my memory serves me correctly, turning the gear clockwise to from 17 - 22 clicks from the factory default could read CD and DVD discs...but it\'s not without glitches when I first tried weeks ago.

But anyway, ps3 is around the corner.  If you can hang on to the ps2 for like a year or two, then replacing the ps2 with the ps3 should do.  Hopefully this time around, they make better quality lasers pickup for the ps3.

have you ever try standing the ps2 vertically?  That\'s what I do to CD discs in order to play psone and ps2 games.

If my memory serves me correctly, turning the gear clockwise to from 17 - 22 clicks from the factory default could read CD and DVD discs...but it\'s not without glitches when I first tried weeks ago.

But anyway, ps3 is around the corner.  If you can hang on to the ps2 for like a year or two, then replacing the ps2 with the ps3 should do.  Hopefully this time around, they make better quality lasers pickup for the ps3.

I dont know how to make out which is the factory default. But I tried vertical as well and didnt work.

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whelp i don\'t have any problems with my ps2 concerning the problems listed, but let me tell you, i did have issues with the 1st psx...i remember having to turn that thing on a tilt or angle it in a really crazy way for it play games.....i ended up just buying a new one...