israel & hezbollah...

Views would be what I said, however, I do regret that choice of words, Luckee (I suppose "Probably b/c I dont give a shit where they go or stay." is more apathetic than anti).  I think better would have been to say I dislike that you are defending terrorists or their actions, and as I\'ve stated before, I can\'t really look back and find an act that Israel has done where they weren\'t reacting to a hostile act.

I don\'t really see this as much of a \'middle of the fence\' issue, to me one side is clearly morally superior to the other, especially when you look at the stated political/global goals for each side.  In the other posts in here is explained why Israel couldn\'t possibly have given back all the land siezed after they were invaded to countries unwilling to concede their right to exist.

It would be over for Israel if they acted first and they know it. Then what ever moderates were in the region would be all over them as well as the allies of the country they acted out against. Israel will probably never ever stike first. Which is also why they are always ready as they react swiftly to everything someone does to them. They are just basically waiting for the excuse just like a month ago.

If you want to call it defending hezbollah it is only b/c they were created to oppose israel invasion. They harbored deep animosities(sp)? over an 18 year period of occupation.

Any other conflict israel has been involved in, I more or less could just keep my mouth shut. Not this hezbollah jazz mainly b/c it is just to funny.

Besides if everyone was on the same side, we wouldn\'t have a need for this forum and life indeed would be very boring. difference is good.

[Titan]

And to lighten the mood a little I present Women of the IDF:

http://israelmilitary.net/showthread.php?t=13

Some are hidious, but quite a few are pretty damn hot and I want to know why their women can wear such tight uniforms and ours can\'t.

If World War 3 breaks out and I go to the middle east to fight, I will be very happy fighting with the Israelis.

For what its worth, Hezbollah is not a terrorist organisation in the eyes of EU and Russia. And from what I remember the UN does not consider them one either.

It would be over for Israel if they acted first and they know it. Then what ever moderates were in the region would be all over them as well as the allies of the country they acted out against. Israel will probably never ever stike first. Which is also why they are always ready as they react swiftly to everything someone does to them. They are just basically waiting for the excuse just like a month ago.

If you want to call it defending hezbollah it is only b/c they were created to oppose israel invasion. They harbored deep animosities(sp)? over an 18 year period of occupation.

Any other conflict israel has been involved in, I more or less could just keep my mouth shut. Not this hezbollah jazz mainly b/c it is just to funny.

Besides if everyone was on the same side, we wouldn\'t have a need for this forum and life indeed would be very boring. difference is good.

So you would concede that if NOBODY ATTACKED Israel there would be peace in the Middle East?

If Lebanon steps up and protects it\'s own borders they way Egypt did, there would be no Hezbollah, and no wars between Israel and Lebanon.

Interesting reports from Israeli soldiers.

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/08/16/hizbullahchechens_.shtml

Now I see why Lebanon never disarmed Hezbollah, they would probably have triggered a civil war.

Military sources said numerous Israeli combat units, without effective air or armor support, spent most of their time in Lebanon paralyzed by Hezbollah fire. They said hundreds of soldiers were often overwhelmed by as few as a dozen Hezbollah mortar and anti-tank gunners within sight of the Israeli border.

In all, Israel sent 30,000 soldiers to Lebanon. At least 118 soldiers were killed in the 33-day fighting. The military said 530 Hezbollah operatives were killed.

“From the point of view of the individual soldier, they are better than the Arab armies that surround us,” Col. Omri Bar-David, a reserve battalion commander, said.

In several cases, Israeli commanders, citing Hezbollah squads, dismissed orders to advance. The military reported the detention of five Engineering Corps soldiers, including a reserve company commander, for refusing to embark on a mission in Lebanon.

“There is a lot of confusion,” Anon, a soldier not involved in the courtmartial, said. “We go in, we come out. We go in, we come out.”

The 20-man unit from the Golani Brigade’s 51st Battalion arrived in Bint Jbail on Aug. 10. Hezbollah first disabled a Merkava Mk-3 main battle tank with an AT-14 Kornet anti-tank missile.

Then, Hezbollah gunners directed anti-tank fire toward the building that contained the Israeli force. The unit, which sustained eight casualties in Bint Jbail on July 26, huddled in a first floor bathroom, deemed the most secure part of the building.

“It’s been ugly,” Dudi Levisohn, a member of the Golani squad, said. “But it’s our job. We have to do it. We suffer so the people in Tel Aviv can enjoy themselves.”

Military sources said Hezbollah also forced Israeli units to turn off their communications and tracking equipment. They said Hezbollah deployed systems designed to identify a range of signals, including those of cell phones.

“During the day, Hezbollah sees us perfectly and we can’t see them,” another officer said. “The only time we conducted operations were at night because we believed our night vision systems were better than theirs.”


In another battle, an infantry battalion fought 24 hours to advance three houses in a Shi’ite village. The soldiers were pinned down by heavy Hezbollah anti-tank fire from a network of tunnels and bunkers.

“You don’t have to worry about bullets,” an officer, identified only as Eyal, said. “It’s the anti-tank missiles.”

With the onset of the United Nations-arranged ceasefire, Israeli soldiers, particularly reservists, have expressed increasing criticism of senior commanders. On Monday, reservists were angered when Northern Command chief Maj. Gen. Udi Adam termed Hezbollah a terrorist group.

“They are professionals,” a soldier who returned from Lebanon said. “They have new weapons. There have been no improvement in our tanks in 10 years. Their mission is clear — to hurt us. And they can do this very well. Don’t say they are not soldiers. They are soldiers.”

Anyone who tries to disarm Hezbollah is in for a nasty fight, they know their terrain, have modern weapons and are willing to use any tactic that works.  That said, if there really is a decision made in the parliament to disarm (not disband) Hezbollah, with the Lebanese army and 15000 UN troops to support, then Hezbollah will end up disarmed, because if they make a fight of it, any global sympathy/support for them will disappear, and probably result in serious trouble for their backers in Syria and Iran as well.

Anyone who tries to disarm Hezbollah is in for a nasty fight, they know their terrain, have modern weapons and are willing to use any tactic that works.  That said, if there really is a decision made in the parliament to disarm (not disband) Hezbollah, with the Lebanese army and 15000 UN troops to support, then Hezbollah will end up disarmed, because if they make a fight of it, any global sympathy/support for them will disappear, and probably result in serious trouble for their backers in Syria and Iran as well.

Yeah, they cant fight the UN, if they do all the prestige and support they have now will be gone.

There have been ideas of integrating Hezbollah into the Lebanese army, or letting them form a Lebanese reservist army, but last time I checked the idea wasn\'t too popular within Hezbollah.
Maybe if they get a larger part of the government seats they\'ll change? I hope they themselves decide to disarm.

So you would concede that if NOBODY ATTACKED Israel there would be peace in the Middle East?

If Lebanon steps up and protects it\'s own borders they way Egypt did, there would be no Hezbollah, and no wars between Israel and Lebanon.

Not really. Maybe israel would be safe. Then they would just focus on each other trying to be the superior power. Shites\', sunni...etc.. all fighting for power.

That wouldn\'t be any better.

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And to lighten the mood a little I present Women of the IDF:

http://israelmilitary.net/showthread.php?t=13

Some are hidious, but quite a few are pretty damn hot and I want to know why their women can wear such tight uniforms and ours can\'t.

some of them can defintely get a sample...i banged this fine jewish chick i met in one of the clubs in ny some years back...i actually joked about her bein\' with an afr american...she stated her parents was strickly against it, but that she was into black men....which was fine by me,cause i was up in her literally...:fro:....i caused a tragedy up in that ass that night...shorty had a nice apt somewhere in upper manhattan...this chic had some nice soft silky smooth skin....sex was off the chain as well....got me reminencin\' there giga.....anyway even tho i didn\'t see alot of fine chicks in the post there were a few in there that were dimes...

[Titan]

some of them can defintely get a sample...i banged this fine jewish chick i met in one of the clubs in ny some years back...i actually joked about her bein\' with an afr american...she stated her parents was strickly against it, but that she was into black men....which was fine by me,cause i was up in her literally...:fro:....i caused a tragedy up in that ass that night...shorty had a nice apt somewhere in upper manhattan...this chic had some nice soft silky smooth skin....sex was off the chain as well....got me reminencin\' there giga.....anyway even tho i didn\'t see alot of fine chicks in the post there were a few in there that were dimes...

Up that ass huh? I always knew you were into transexuals.

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Up that ass huh? I always knew you were into transexuals.

i\'m INTO you my sexy vanilla snowflake......

[Titan]

i\'m INTO you my sexy vanilla snowflake......

cute

Interesting video of some of the palistinian videos that made the news, and how they make be staged.  The first couple are weak, but once you hit the \'funeral bier\' procession one, you will be shaking your head at some of the tricks (brilliant tactics, I suppose, but tricks) used to make \'good film\'.

[Paul2]

As I watched the funeral bier part, I was cracking up when the guy fell off the funeral casket and he climbed back on again, twice...  A walking corpse?

Edit:  It was sad that they even used a dead child to be film on one of their stage scenes.

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i know both sides play propaganda game, but this is just too much...how do you expect people to have some type of sympathy for you when you\'re doin\' s**t like that? like they have nothing else better to do than to make phony eventful movies....these people are just idiots, then they\'re on tv lookin\' up in the sky talkin bout "why?...WHY?"....shut the f**k up!...s**t pisses me off...there are people dying on both sides of the game and yet you wanna stage some bulls**t like this?....first thing that comes to mind when seeing this will be "hmmm maybe israel isn\'t doin s**t as bad as we thought they were"....obviously not...assholes...