GDC 07 PS3 Home Demonstration !

[BizioEE]

##RACER## is right,  don\'t forget about little big planet.  I see infinite potential in that game.  Yet the odd thing is the game itself is so simple.  For example the PC game \'Spores\' looks to have infinite potential as well but the game looks to be 100x as complex as LittleBigPlanet.  Yet Little Big Planet seems to have a similiar amount of potential.  Why didnt anyone think of the concept for Little Big Planet before?  Genius.

...there\'s a first time for everything  I really like the concept and the style of this game...so original !

Call me a PS3 fanboy/walking advertisement all you want,  but this is great news for Playstation 3.  I did call Home a possible Xbox Live Killer but that was merely out of fusteration.  For the last 5 years all I heard was how Xbox Live was the god of online gaming and was one of the many reasons the 360 is better then the PS3.

Now are we going to hear people whine about how they have to pay for Xbox Live even though in time it won\'t have as many cool features as HOME?

Competition makes each console better.  Maybe this will make Microsoft rethink how much they charge for Xbox Live

so true...competitions is very good...and nobody is going to sleep peacefully...good move Sony !

[Viper_Fujax]

##RACER## is right,  don\'t forget about little big planet.  I see infinite potential in that game.  Yet the odd thing is the game itself is so simple.  For example the PC game \'Spores\' looks to have infinite potential as well but the game looks to be 100x as complex as LittleBigPlanet.  Yet Little Big Planet seems to have a similiar amount of potential.  Why didnt anyone think of the concept for Little Big Planet before?  Genius.

Call me a PS3 fanboy/walking advertisement all you want,  but this is great news for Playstation 3.  I did call Home a possible Xbox Live Killer but that was merely out of fusteration.  For the last 5 years all I heard was how Xbox Live was the god of online gaming and was one of the many reasons the 360 is better then the PS3.

Now are we going to hear people whine about how they have to pay for Xbox Live even though in time it won\'t have as many cool features as HOME?

Competition makes each console better.  Maybe this will make Microsoft rethink how much they charge for Xbox Live

sry but..you\'re frusterated about hearing about how much better live was than playstations? I had a ps2 and the online was shit, and theres a reason it was free. And live was way better hence why they could charge for it. Now it seems to be on the same trend, but maybe Home will make it worth while. But seeing as \'you get what u pay for\' has been the case ever since sony had free online, M$ isnt going to be making any price changes until Home cuts into their profits, which is probably too late since people are already set whether they do or dont want to pay for Live.

Why you give sony the benefit of the doubt that theyre going to have an amazing, free service is beyond me.

You get what you pay isn\'t the case throughout the online world.

PC Battlefield 2 & Battlefield 2142 offer online gaming that matches or exceeds anything on Xbox live but its free.

I\'ve played several PC racing games online free with voice chat etc everything you could want.

Great online gaming does not have to come at a price.

Check out http://www.zone.com,  Microsoft\'s own online gaming website since the mid 90s.

Absolutley free.  Friends lists,  chatting,  everything.  Did Microsoft need to charge me $60 a year to use this service?  No.  But they want to charge you $60 a year to use Xbox Live which offers how many more features?

Playstation 2 online got the job done imo,  but it was not even close to Xbox Live.  Why?  Sony never even tried to make an online service for PS2.

But because of competition,  Sony is now going to roll out thier own online service.

No reason to have to give sony the benefit of the doubt that theyre going to have an amazing, free service.  They\'ve already confirmed what will be free and what will cost money in HOME.  What is free in HOME surpasses Xbox Live in every way.  The only faith needed in Sony is for them to give free what they promised they will give free which is pretty much a 100% chance.

Believe me,  I use to be just like you and think you had to pay money for great online gaming.

After thinking about it for a while and looking back at my experience with online PC gaming I can tell you for a certainty that great online gaming can be free.

Why Microsoft charges for voice chat features/gamerpoints is beyond me.  Is there anything else on Xbox Live worth $60 a year?  If I want to download TV episodes, movies etc I can use free ITUNES to do so.

Once again,  competition is good.  What Sony is doing with HOME hopefully will force Microsoft to charge less or make Xbox Live free.  But as you say Microsoft probalby won\'t change anything until they feel HOME is a threat.

[Viper_Fujax]

1) you compared pc\'s to consoles..............................

2) Im not saying that free is bad, just going by trends, the free service has been inferior to the ones you pay for. So just to fall for their marketing scheme instead of waiting for it and having actual proof bugs me. Of course theyre going to build it up and blow smoke up customers butts

to me, it has potential. But looking at their past and looking at it being free again doesnt exactly make it a HOMErun (ahhhhhaha...pun)

PCs and Consoles are two different beasts,  but when it comes to online play there is no reason why one should excel over the other.  If its possible to make great online gaming on the PC the same should be so with Next-Gen consoles.  

PS2 did not have an online service.  It was just the developers on their own with their own servers and thier own money etc.  A PS2 Online Service is a myth.  Sony never tried to make one.  It never was free and it never cost money.  Sony just gave you a network adapter to connect to 3rd party online games.  Thats all they had to do with PS2 online gaming.

Also remember Viper_Fujax HOME is not ENTIRELY free.  It seems a good portion of it will require $.  I\'m sure the free part of it will be the bare bones basics aka XBox Live Bronze package (if thats what they call it).  For example a free apartment will probably be a 1 bedroom flat.  But a $ apartment will have 3 levels,  a pool table,  arcade machines,  an inground pool and an oceanside view with a great wood deck

So as stated above expect the bare basics of HOME to be free but I\'m sure Sony knows there will be so many extra great features that cost $ and that almost everyone that is a part of HOME will fork over $ for extra features.  The idea is this:  Make it free to get everyone into it,  but then nickel and dime them while they are inside.

And one more thing,  you say PS2 online was crap...you didn\'t like the days of the PSX2CENTRAL Madden?  Playing online with the Madden games was hardly ever crap in my eyes...but that was the only PS2 game I played online though.  If the others sucked I wouldnt know

Pretty cool indeed & it\'s optional to the XMB. Still, unless i desperately wanna play a PAL PS3 launch game, there\'s no direct incentive to do an impulse PS3 purchase.

Actually... I\'ll wait deciding until PS3\'s 65nm Cell is tried and true and if MS has revealed their 120Gb HDMI Xbox360.

[BizioEE]

Pretty cool indeed & it\'s optional to the XMB. Still, unless i desperately wanna play a PAL PS3 launch game, there\'s no direct incentive to do an impulse PS3 purchase.

Actually... I\'ll wait deciding until PS3\'s 65nm Cell is tried and true and if MS has revealed their 120Gb HDMI Xbox360.

65nm Cell Chip Production Starts !

IBM announced today a significant step towards PlayStation 3 cost-cutting, as the chip maker announced the production of a 65nm version of the Cell processor.
The Cell launched as a 90nm processor. The 65nm version will be manufactured at IBM’s East Fishkill, New York plant.

IBM created the chip with Sony and Toshiba in a collaboration which began in March 2001. IBM recently began reaching out to game developers to help them harness the Cell\'s potential.

A Sony exec recently said that a move to a 45nm Cell would occur in late 2008 or early 2009.

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4920&Itemid=2

Live is free if you only play on weekends, for what it\'s worth.

all weekends or just certain random ones?
can\'t find anything stating that

[Viper_Fujax]

iv never heard of live being free on the weekends. I\'d never buy it if it were, so i dont think that\'s true. Then again i bought my service before trying that out.

Looks like I\'m mistaken. Or, maybe the plan changed since how it was originally.
 
Too bad, because I was thinking of switching to the free plan.
 
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/features/silverage.htm
 
It\'s basically everything except the best part, heh.
 
Then, I guess this means free weekends sometimes: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/features/freetrialweekends.htm

http://www.localtechwire.com/busines...story/2389864/

Seems the vision of home is very near its completion

The Home world that was shown in Monte Carlo is completely different than the one first shown at the Game Developer’s Conference last year. Gone are the claustrophobic indoor spaces and the doors that lead to badly marked areas like the arcade. Now players are transported to a vibrant outdoor town square with huge buildings that clearly illustrate what there is to do.

The movie theater has two floors for further expansion beyond the initial 10 screens. The bowling alley offers the virtual bowling and arcade. Within the town square, underneath some trees, are the chess and checkers tables. The games will be a great way for players to break the ice when meeting new friends in Home, according to Festejo.

“When building this new town square, we were heavily influenced by cities like Las Vegas, the Sony Center in Berlin and New York City’s Times Square,” said Festejo. “This world is friendly and open and encourages players to mingle.”

Another business model that will unfold as Home evolves is the aforementioned movies, music and TV show offerings, which are expected to offer rental and purchase models. Microsoft already has most of the Hollywood studios (sans Sony, of course) offering TV shows for purchased in HD or standard definition and HD or standard movies for rental. Sony is expected to follow suit and Sony Online Entertainment has been building the technology to bring this aspect of Home to life.

Sony has also sent out Home Developer Kits for partners to build assets and lobbies, this means both traditional game developers and mainstream brands will become part of the Home world over time, Festijo added.

I wonder how, excluding the 3D interface, its business model described will compete with XBOX Live.

Marketplace is literally filled with tons of goodies (arcade games are scarce at PS Store), and is much more accessible than PSN currently. Also MS is targeting online rental distribution. The in-game menu also helped farther into pulling people into its online offerings (such as MSN intergration), but it seems that Sony is trying to compete in similar aspects.

The two consoles align and at the same time are battling in their efforts to diversify the same experience. There was also an announcement some time ago that MS was going to offer something less developed but very similar to Home\'s lobby to the 360 as well.

Things will be very interesting on who is going to retain the top spot with gamers and the consumers once both develop fully their model.