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« Reply #45 on: April 23, 2001, 07:47:30 AM »
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You \'\'seem\'\' (notice the \'\') to think everyone is critizising the US because you\'re so great, we\'re all jealous of you, our countries are ****e, yada yada yada.


Wrong.  I am pissed about the critizising at all.  I could care less for anyone\'s stupid reasons, I\'m pissed because in a forum I frequent, people feel it necessary to bash the country I live in and that pisses me off.  I don\'t mind that you all have your views, that\'s fine, but as long as I don\'t have to hear about them everywhere I go (media or otherwise) then all is well.  You live in your world and I\'ll live in mine, what\'s so bad about that?

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Here\'s a newsflash: We DON\'T talk about the US all the time, we DON\'T critisize the US all the time, we\'re NOT out to get you guys all the time.


That\'s good of you to say so, but many of the forum members who do not live in the US feel it\'s their right and duty to bash us, quite frequently as of late I might add, to no end.  It\'s already led to numerous threads being closed and everytime it happens, no one is around to stand up for the US, but this time, I\'m here and I\'m sick of it.

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I see the US as a country like every other - it has flaws and it has strengths. Like ANY OTHER COUNTRY. That\'s the core point to me - America is a nation like the thousands of other countries that exists all over the world. Of course you guys are bigger and certainly plays a big role in the world, but to non-Americans our daily life doesn\'t *GASP* involve talking about/praising/dissing the US all the time.


Again, that\'s good to hear, but again I reiterate the point that on this particular forum, US is the butt-end of many insults.  It may not happen everyday in every other country outside of the US, but some of the places I frequent, namely this one, it does and that\'s unacceptable in my opinion.

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However, I think it can tend to be a problem - like in the submarine movie. Children/teens go watch the movie and thinks \'wow, based on a true story! How cool those Americans defeated the Nazis\' etc. If they rely on such historial \'facts\' from movies (and I\'m affraid lots of teens do) then they\'ll grow up with false information about that certain historical event. You might think that\'s just a small thing and irrelevant, but I think it can be a problem. At least if they don\'t learn the truth in school. Perhaps the filmmakers should think about the moral aspects of the information they\'ll send out to children - but I know they won\'t - they\'ll think \'how do we maximize profits... hmm, I know. Instead of those kinky Brits let\'s make the submarine crew American. Yes, that\'ll sell better...\'. Of course it doesn\'t matter to me, because I take it for what it is - mindless entertainment. But can you honestly say younger children will do the same?


Media is destroying countless thousands as the days go by with tons of false information thrown at us all from left and right.  If a kid can\'t learn the facts for themselves, then what\'s the Internet for?  I\'m sure I can find the whole entire truth about the U-571 incident on one simple webpage, but it\'s up to someone who really gives a damn to look it up.  Most of the people who work now in office buildings making billions of dollars on software could care less about a bunch of guys in a sub who practically won the war themselves, much less their true nationality.  It\'s a sad fact, but an accurate and true one nontheless.  I don\'t blame anyone else for the stupidity of our children, no one except the parents.  However, although certain things like false information are quite unappealing, there\'s nothing I can do about it except piss and moan, but that doesn\'t give any other country the right to diss us as freely as they want, which is my real point from the beginning.
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« Reply #46 on: April 23, 2001, 09:30:20 AM »
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It\'s people\'s own fault if they want true to life facts and deep thoughts from a Hollywood blockbuster. However, I think it can tend to be a problem - like in the submarine movie. Children/teens go watch the movie and thinks \'wow, based on a true story! How cool those Americans defeated the Nazis\' etc. If they rely on such historial \'facts\' from movies (and I\'m affraid lots of teens do) then they\'ll grow up with false information about that certain historical event.


U-571 is just bad in every possible way.  Even as a work of pure fantasy it\'s awful.  The script is stupid beyond belief.  The reason the producer chose to make the heroes american is not because we americans demand to rewrite history and see ourselves saving the world.  It\'s because Matthew McConaughey was signed to the project, and he\'s from Texas, and HE CAN\'T DO A BRITISH ACCENT!  Likewise with Harvey Keitel.  It\'s really as simple as that.  Maybe they should have used the traditional solution to this problem, and created some fictional joint British/American commando unit ala "Where Eagles Dare" or "Force 10 From Navaronne" but it\'s more difficult to make that work on a submarine.  

So the movie was lousy, and dumb, and full of lies, but I became immune to this a long time ago.  Getting mad at Hollywood movies for lying to you is like getting mad at the rain for getting you wet.  It makes you upset and changes nothing.  The media surrounds us with lies on a daily basis, we just have to teach our children to understand this.  I intend to teach my children that entertainment comes from movies, and history comes from books, and even then you have to carefully evaluate the possible hidden biases of the historian.

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« Reply #47 on: April 23, 2001, 09:35:59 AM »
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Originally posted by Samwise


I don\'t care about Will Smith saving the world in ID4, because I know it\'s an American movie made for Americans. I don\'t watch it to see a masterpiece in filmmaking, because then I certainly wouldn\'t be watching Hollywood summer blockbusters. They\'re made with one thing, and one thing only, in mind: $$$.


This is what I meant. I hope you didn\'t think I bashed americans in any way, Ruy - I just represented my movie-taste. I don\'t like Hollywood blockbusters, much because they\'re predictable ( I just don\'t know wich to you direct your agressive thread ). I will surely go watch Pearl Harbor just because the true story is interesting and I\'m eagerly waiting forward to see it on screen - even if it will become a blockbuster-hit. If I want a masterpiece, I go for Das Boot wich is word to word true, but alas, not a hollywood blockbuster. U-5721 will never achieve such a classic status as Das Boot did, and critics mentioned they didn\'t like the history changed in the film. But it doesn\'t mean it\'s a bad film! I actually liked it a bit - it is way different than Das Boot. Much more based on fiendish action than psychological fight.

And I can point out a stereo-typized film wich I absolutely love - Indiana Jones. American guy beats up Nazis and wins the evil. What does make it classic and so epic? It was made with love, not with money in mind. So I don\'t hate all the stereo-typized films.

And my movie-taste has NOTHING to do with hating U.S., as I certainly don\'t. But, Ruy, I agree with Samwise that we don\'t speak about it here - I think we speak more about russia than America. Just sometimes the fact that "Even the small ones can do wonders" applies, as media focuses on America mostly. But there\'s reasons to it, no doubt in that.
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« Reply #48 on: April 23, 2001, 09:44:38 AM »
Well I for one don\'t bash the US.
I mean the US of A has brought me a bunch of enjoyable movies and Star Trek.
And Samwise is right,most of us who are not American don\'t talk about the US all the time,we aren\'t pissed off in any way,and we\'re not out to get you (well maybe Iraq or something)
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« Reply #49 on: April 23, 2001, 11:10:25 AM »
Different opinions are always welcome, otherwise a debating forum would be quite boring. I\'m sure that no-matter what your views are you\'ll agree that this thread (though not quite on the original topic) has turned out to be one of the most informative threads I can remember for a long time. Hell, I can\'t remember that last time I\'ve made replies that long. I hope nobody feels offended or anything, because I\'m not particularly fond of that. But at least there are long (and strong) views in this thread and I think that\'s a good thing after all. So peace everybody and thanks for your time. :)
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« Reply #50 on: April 23, 2001, 04:51:30 PM »
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THERE\'S A CHOICE WE\'RE MAKING....

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