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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2004, 08:11:19 AM »
It is partially the insurgents fault and partially our invasions fault.
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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2004, 09:03:25 AM »
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So your blame on Bush is nothing more than fanatical ravings of someone who indeed hates their country.
I believe I\'ve asked you before to stop suggesting that I or anyone else here "hates our country."  I\'m going to ask you again for the last time.  It\'s extremely disrespectful, and I won\'t stand for it.  Period.  I love my country and I won\'t stand for you to make such a suggestion about me.
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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2004, 09:51:49 AM »
You asked for my response and you got it.  I stand by my words and explained them clearly enough.
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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2004, 10:22:50 AM »
There\'s a difference between arguing a point on public policy, and inferring that I hate my country.  To me that is the worst kind of personal attack.  Childish insults mean little to me, but this is something meaningful.  I would never suggest such a thing about you, and you would probably have a pretty violent reaction if I did.  

It\'s time for you to admit that you\'re wrong about this one, Giga.  We have to respect one another to have a reasonable discussion here, and statements like this are entirely disrespectful.

You claim that liberals are creating all the problems and dividing our country, yet you are the one who is creating a problem here and contributing to the divide in our forum.  I suggest you take a break to cool off and consider your next response.  I ask you to read my words and consider them seriously.
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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2004, 11:05:27 AM »
You are entitled to your opinion and so am I.  I get plenty of disrespectful posts aimed at me and have learned to either ignore them or respond.  In regards to you hating this country - I haven\'t seen you post anything positive about it or the actions it has taken since 9/11 so what else am I to infer?  You blame Bush for civilian deaths - and I do take issue with that.  You have claimed that it is soley his fault and that is just not the case.  Tell me where I am reading into things...  

This forum is a reflection of the country.  I don\'t see why it shouldn\'t be as we have a divided forum based on ideology.  Should we all think like you?  That is what liberals in this country want you know... as they know what is best for everyone.  :rolleyes:  I suggest you grow some thicker skin as I have had to do and think about why I am saying what I am saying.  If you said the same about me I would most likely ignore it instead of making veiled threats.  I am not upset or "heated" in the least - I just find your lack of respect in our country\'s current leadership versus your sympathy toward enemies of our country disturbing.  I don\'t see how this is childish in any way.
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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2004, 11:41:36 AM »
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You are entitled to your opinion and so am I.  I get plenty of disrespectful posts aimed at me and have learned to either ignore them or respond.  In regards to you hating this country - I haven\'t seen you post anything positive about it or the actions it has taken since 9/11 so what else am I to infer?  You blame Bush for civilian deaths - and I do take issue with that.  You have claimed that it is soley his fault and that is just not the case.  Tell me where I am reading into things...


I don\'t agree with this at all.  Just because Core disagrees with what\'s being done does NOT suggest or imply he hates the country.

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This forum is a reflection of the country.  I don\'t see why it shouldn\'t be as we have a divided forum based on ideology.  Should we all think like you?  That is what liberals in this country want you know... as they know what is best for everyone.  :rolleyes:  I suggest you grow some thicker skin as I have had to do and think about why I am saying what I am saying.  If you said the same about me I would most likely ignore it instead of making veiled threats.  I am not upset or "heated" in the least - I just find your lack of respect in our country\'s current leadership versus your sympathy toward enemies of our country disturbing.  I don\'t see how this is childish in any way.


As opposed to the conservatives who think they know what\'s best?

The entire situation with Iraq is unfortunate.  It\'s a shame we had to go and it\'s sad that innocent lives are being lost on both sides.  It\'s a bad situation anyway you spin it.

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« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2004, 02:23:05 PM »
^^^^^^

We\'re at war...of course there is going to be casualties, no matter who the president is. They would have both gone eventually.
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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2004, 03:29:31 PM »
That\'s what I\'m saying, it\'s unfortunate that we\'re at war.  I didn\'t blame anyone, I just said it\'s a bad situation...one we\'ll be cleaning up for a long time.

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« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2004, 03:55:07 PM »
Yeah...sorry...just read my post...it sounded like I was attacking you or something.

But yes...it is very unfortunate...but wars have been going on since the birth of our nation...it\'s what has made us what we are today, not that you don\'t know that already.

This whole situation makes my stomach turn...

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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2004, 12:51:09 PM »
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You are entitled to your opinion and so am I.  I get plenty of disrespectful posts aimed at me and have learned to either ignore them or respond.  In regards to you hating this country - I haven\'t seen you post anything positive about it or the actions it has taken since 9/11 so what else am I to infer?  You blame Bush for civilian deaths - and I do take issue with that.  You have claimed that it is soley his fault and that is just not the case.  Tell me where I am reading into things...  

This forum is a reflection of the country.  I don\'t see why it shouldn\'t be as we have a divided forum based on ideology.  Should we all think like you?  That is what liberals in this country want you know... as they know what is best for everyone.  :rolleyes:  I suggest you grow some thicker skin as I have had to do and think about why I am saying what I am saying.  If you said the same about me I would most likely ignore it instead of making veiled threats.  I am not upset or "heated" in the least - I just find your lack of respect in our country\'s current leadership versus your sympathy toward enemies of our country disturbing.  I don\'t see how this is childish in any way.


This dispute has gone beyond arguing the validity of your claim that I hate my country.  That is not open for discussion.  I told you I do not, and that should have satisfied you on that point long ago.   Instead you persisted in insulting me by repeating the statement, even after I politely asked you to stop.  I thought most of the regular posters in this forum respected each other, but especially that you and I respected each other.  You\'ve stated on previous occasions that you considered me a worthy member of these discussions.  Now it appears that you are not interested in granting me even the tiny stipulation that perhaps I do love my country, and just have a different view on how we as a nation should achieve the goals and ideals that I think we all share:  Safety, security, freedom of speech, a robust economy, a fair and reliable system of justice, and many others.

Instead of granting me a respected position in this discussion, you chose  to demonize me and label me as a hater of America, only because I disagreed with the our president\'s decisions over the last four years.  Does that make all the republicans who disagreed with Clinton\'s decisions also america haters?  Of course not.

I did not make any threats, veiled or otherwise.  My reason for asking you to carefully consider your response is because it would - and has - had an effect on my opinion of you.  I previously considered your views seriously and made an honest effort to understand them.  I wanted to hear what you had to say because I wanted to comprehend why half our country seems to share those beliefs.  Even if I did not post in all your threads, I did read them and consider them.  

Now I have no further interest in reading your posts or discussing anything with you.  A meaningful discussion requires a certain minimal level of respect on both sides, and you\'re not willing to give it.  Therefore, I\'m not willing to participate in a discussion [with you].  Since you seem to create and reply to most of the threads in this forum, that might mean that I won\'t be posting here much anymore.  If my participation drops sufficiently, I\'ll ask to have myself removed as a moderator.  That remains to be seen, and I will take the appropriate action when necessary.

This is not an attempt to penalize you.  As of now I could not care less how you feel about it.  This is a decision I\'ve made for myself alone.  With any luck you will be able to insult and stifle the remaining liberal proponents in this forum, and then you can enjoy a howling echo chamber of agreement with the remaining conservatives.  Have fun with that.  BTW, don\'t bother to PM me any more.  I don\'t want to hear about it.
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