Sony...and the other one...whats the name?? Ohh yeah...Dreamcast.

First of all, PS2beginning, I want you to notice one thing: these guys managed to defend the Dreamcast and talk about it\'s merits WITHOUT downplaying/insulting the PS2.  A habit that you may want to pick up.  Good responses guys.  Now, MINE:

Why is it that people are so totally oblivious to the fact that Sony is going to dominate the Dreamcast?

They aren\'t.  Lemme point something out to you: PSX - 40 million sales in the US.  Saturn - 1 million sales, then abandoned.  By my count, the next Sony console is starting off with a 40 to 1 handicap.  PS2 outselling the Dreamcast after Saturn\'s abysmal performance is a REQUIREMENT, not an accomplishment.  As I\'ve said in many other posts, Sony could\'ve released a dry llama\'s turd with two controllers and still outsold the Dreamcast.  Dreamcast has virtually none of the recognizable franchises from last generation (Madden, Tekken, Final Fantasy, etc) thanks to Saturns poor sales.  Nor does Sega have anywhere near the resources to compete with Sony\'s marketing dollars.  You are bragging about something that the PS2 SHOULD do.  This is something that even the 3DO or Jaguar could have done if THEY had followed the PSX.  Not impressive... mandatory.  Yah wanna brag that Shaq can dunk on Gary Coleman?  Dreamcast isn\'t here to dominate, outsell, or win the war.  It is here to get Sega\'s name back in gamers face, and as a first step in restoring faith in the company.  Which is why they made a system so easy to develop for.

It is only a matter of time before it happens. Right now, I will admit, Sega is leading...ONLY because it has been out for longer, but as Sony progreses, Sega is gonna start worrying.

How about I tell you this: Sony will lead ONLY because the PSX was so incredibly successful.  Furthermore, switch the namebrands so that you have the Sega PS2 and Sony Dreamcast, and I guaran-damn-tee you Sega would get their ass kicked in that scenario as well.  The Sony name is gold amongst retailers, developers, and consumers right now.  I don\'t recall anybody in here saying that Sega would win the war; hell, most of the annoying posts have been talking of XBox dominance.  Why in the hell would you start sh** with the Dreamcast?  Why take cheap shots like that?  Sony has a 40 to 1 consumer handicap.  They have a 350 to 150 developer handicap.  They have a 250 to 100 marketing handicap.  Win?  If they don\'t outsell the Dreamcast, they are incompetent boobs.  Who couldn\'t win with odds like that?

It is possible for you to talk good about the machine you like without insulting other machines.  No, Dreamcast will NOT die in 2002.  It will last 4 years.  PERIOD.  Just accept it.  Fact is, it\'s a dirt cheap development environment.  Developers will always turn to it to make a quick buck.  You just don\'t ignore 3 million potential customers... and that\'s just todays count.  This time next year, it could well be 6 - 8 million (more price drops).  Dreamcast will have the biggest library for a while, and it DOES have AAA titles that merit purchase.  Easily.

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It is ironic that a PS2 fan is getting trashed on a PS2 board for starting a topic about the DC sucking or whatever.  That in itself says something for both the board and the DC.

It says the board has a mutual respect going on, as previously stated. And it says that even most PS2 fans realize the DC is an excellent system.

Ahh.Life is good.

Simply put, basically everyone is going to have a DC and another system.  Most people on here own a DC and a PS2.  I own an DC and I will own an Xbox (still on the fence though).  There\'s a respect for Sega that I think everyone on this board has.  The simple fact is that everyone on here likes videogames and Sega is arguably the best in the business.  You diss Sega and you diss everyone who loves games.  For $150 who wouldn\'t buy a Dreamcast?  It has the best games this holiday season and if you can\'t get a PS2 until March, if your Grandma bought you a DC instead, you will just ignore it because "PS2 will crush it."  PS2Beginning, we are allowed to like more than one console aren\'t we?

I don\'t own a Dreamcast and I never will, not b/c I think it\'s a bad system, it\'s just b/c I don\'t trust Sega.  But yeah I think that the PS2 will eventually shut out DC.

it\'s just b/c I don\'t trust Sega.

That\'s the general consensus of casual gamers.  They don\'t trust Sega (that, and they don\'t recognize the Sega 3D franchises).  Which is a shame, but Sega\'s own fault.  Like I said, the Dreamcast is just meant to earn some of that trust back.  Saturn, 32X support were dropped because of poor sales.  The Sega machine that was successful (Genesis) did not lose support.  Nintendo dropped Virtual Boy, Sony dropped Betamax.  If it\'s costin\' you money, drop it.  Unfortunately for Sega, they had 3 money pits and now consumers don\'t trust them.

When you say "shut out", I assume you mean run off the market.  I don\'t think so.  I think the DC may reach 15 million users (at least) over it\'s lifespan (4 years).  A cheap little system running in the background while the big guys slug it out.  Then, next generation, casual gamers will recognize the name "Sega" and will have faith in their products.  Microsoft is doing the same thing.  Easy development to get your name out there.

DC still has a lot of life left in it.  It won\'t be the BIG thing anymore, but neither will the PS2, Gamecube, or Xbox forever.  I respect Sega, Sony, and Microsoft.  I don\'t like Nintendo because ,in my opinion, the only good games that it\'s systems have ever gotten were all the Zelda\'s and Chrono Trigger.

Good point Ktulu; when I said shut out I meant dwindling sales.  It may be able to hold a market even after X-box and PS2 start bringing out big guns.  If they can get a market niche like Nintendo did with Gameboy, they\'ll be set.  But they\'ll have to hit their target market very well.

Originally posted by EmperorRob
I don\'t own a Dreamcast and I never will, not b/c I think it\'s a bad system, it\'s just b/c I don\'t trust Sega.  But yeah I think that the PS2 will eventually shut out DC.

I\'m not ragging on you or anyone else who has something against Sega\'s "past mistakes", but c\'mon!  That\'s like me saying that I don\'t like the St. Louis Rams because they sucked in \'92.  Now tell me Emperor, what would make that argument nonsense?  Well, for one, a team\'s past has nothing to do with their future.  Another thing is that the players on the \'92 Rams aren\'t on the 2000-2001 Rams, so that makes them a better team.  Similarly, Sega isn\'t the same Sega they were back in the Sega CD/32X era.  This Sega has learned from the past Sega\'s mistakes and are doing everything differently sans making great games.  Furthermore, NO ONE from the original Sega is with the new Sega (I\'m talking about the guys in executive positions who call the shots, not the guys who make games).  No one from the Japanese executive board or the US executive board is with Sega anymore.  In fact, the guy responsible for the US PlayStation launch, launched the Dreamcast.  I\'m talking about Bernie Stolar.  SEGA is just the name of the company.  If everyone at Sony suddenly decided to work for SEGA, would you still not buy a DC?  A company is made up of the PEOPLE that work for it, not the name.  No one who worked during the Genesis/32X era works for Sega now.

So, the reason you stated is not a good reason to hate Sega, just as I have no reason to hate St. Louis because they sucked in \'92.  However, I don\'t like the St. Louis Rams because I\'m a 49er fan.  They are in the same conference as the 49ers so I hate them even more.  Now that\'s a legit reason!  However, Emperor, if you hate Sega because you think their games suck, that\'s a legit reason.  However, the Sega now and the Sega then are two different companies.  The Sega now would kick the old Sega\'s ass.  Because the new Sega is smarter than the old arrogant bunch of the Kalinsky era.  They let success get to their heads too much.  The Sega of today are a brainy, scrappy, and a focused bunch.  So, Emperor, I can\'t accept your reason for not buying Sega.  If you don\'t like the name, I can understand that, but your above reason really doesn\'t cut it.

REVEREND XBOX,

I spent $400 on Saturn, $200 on Sega CD not to count the games I bought for them.

That\'s over $600 I wasted, I don\'t hate the Sega name, I hate the bastards who stole my money.  Did you pay the St. Louis Rams $600?

That is my reason and it\'s the best one there is.  Sure I would give Sega another chance if it didn\'t cost any money but they\'ve had all of mine they\'re gonna get.

You wasted money on the Saturn and SegaCD? You knew what you wre getting into when you bought them.

If you like RPGs, than those systems would more than meet your needs with Lunar 1 and 2, Vay, Shining Force 3, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Magic Knight Rayearth, Shining Wisdom, Popful Mail, etc.

or fighters? X-Men COTA, Street Fighter Alpha 1 and 2, Mortal Kombat 2, 3, Virtua Fighter 2, Fighting Vipers, Fighters MegaMix, etc.

Or Sports games:

You had all EA franchises there.


You see, if you knew what to expect by buying the system, you would not, as I am not, dissapointed in the Saturn or SegaCD. There were many quality titles on each system, enough to make classic status. I wasn\'t ripped off by Sega in these times, in fact, I own 15 32X games, more PSX games than I ever owned in the 4 years I owned one (actually 3, did you have to buy multiple Saturns? I didn\'t think so )

Eric Jacob

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Originally posted by AlteredBeast
You wasted money on the Saturn and SegaCD? You knew what you wre getting into when you bought them.

If you like RPGs, than those systems would more than meet your needs with Lunar 1 and 2, Vay, Shining Force 3, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Magic Knight Rayearth, Shining Wisdom, Popful Mail, etc.

or fighters? X-Men COTA, Street Fighter Alpha 1 and 2, Mortal Kombat 2, 3, Virtua Fighter 2, Fighting Vipers, Fighters MegaMix, etc.

Or Sports games:

You had all EA franchises there.


You see, if you knew what to expect by buying the system, you would not, as I am not, dissapointed in the Saturn or SegaCD. There were many quality titles on each system, enough to make classic status. I wasn\'t ripped off by Sega in these times, in fact, I own 15 32X games, more PSX games than I ever owned in the 4 years I owned one (actually 3, did you have to buy multiple Saturns? I didn\'t think so )

Eric Jacob

Right. Well, \'cept the 32X remark. The 32X sucked pretty bad. I never figured out why I bought one.

Originally posted by Living-In-Clip
It is ironic that a PS2 fan is getting trashed on a PS2 board for starting a topic about the DC sucking or whatever.  That in itself says something for both the board and the DC.

It says the board has a mutual respect going on, as previously stated. And it says that even most PS2 fans realize the DC is an excellent system.

Ahh.Life is good.

And that\'s what i love about this forum.

Good games, bad games is not my point.

I don\'t expect to pay $400 for a product with a shelf life of one year.

And to respond to the "you knew what you were getting in to", No I did not know the production of American SegaCD and Saturn games would stop in one year.

I acutally did have to trade my Saturn in one time.  I never figured out what was wrong with it; just quit working one day after about 6 months.

[Edited by EmperorRob on 12-20-2000 at 11:05 PM]

Sorry, this Sega fan has to disagree with the others.  The Saturn left a bad taste in my mouth.  I love the system with all my heart, particularly for games like Fire Pro, Strikers, and the Panzer series... but it upset me a bit.  I spent $400 on launch for the Saturn.  I bought the games, and there were some masterpieces.  I love the Virtua Cops, the Panzer Dragoons, etc.  Pure Sega bliss.

But, then, Sega walked away.  I understand that they had too.  But it was a little upsetting spending that big chunk o change.  Sega should do the Saturn fans a favor, and rerelease some of the rare titles.  That way, people will stop screwing us over on eBay.  Maybe Sega could put their feelers out there, just to see how many people are interested.   Yeah, I was disappointed with Saturns failure.  I was disappointed that Sega really had no true Genesis follow up.  It pisses me off.  The Genesis was a great system, and they didn\'t capitalize on it.  The Dreamcast is fantastic, but because of the mistakes by guys like Kalinsky, many people are passing it by.  And thats a shame.  But I can\'t blame them.  I almost passed the Dreamcast by, until my friend showed me movies of the games.  Once I saw the games, I bought an import system before launch and a domestic at launch.  But I\'ll never stop wondering "what could have been" with the Saturn.  A 2D beast that coulda given us some amazing titles... without suffering rape at the hands of the pages of eBay.  Dreamcast\'s 2D is just the tip of the iceberg that Saturn could have given us.  Damn.