one game i could see being a mgs beater

[Bobs_Hardware]

Originally posted by 182Ways
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Final Fantasy X will be a great game, but better than MGS2?  HA!

a good final fantasy is better than any other game on earth, IMO...but im not sure about FFX, i think it may go the way of FF8 (not good)...but if its anything like FF7, 9, Chrono Cross etc. then i would pick it over MGS2

Love MGS2, never played the other SF, must find other and fill time between now and release of MGS2  

I have to say the best game I ever see on PS One, including best gameplay and best music, best storyline, and most innovate have to Be Final Fantasy 7.  I would voted it as best game of psone. MGS one might be second.   For PS2, I have to vote for Metal Gear Solid 2.  Best gamplay, best physics (innovate), best storyline, possibly could be best game of ps2, etc...  FFX doesn\'t really innovate.  Well in some area, yeah, but for the most part, whatever FFx does, MGS2 tends to do better like physics and shadow and gameplay...need i say more?  The staffs and developers, (HK) making MGS 2 really work hard, much harder than FFX staffs, they did a lot of research about military base and other think...you know what I mean...Even GT3 staffs did some better research about cars too.  Like they photo real like tires and capture cars in motion and other thinkgs.  FFX only have better graphic whereas, other things they doesn\'t seem to do a lot of research from what I see so far from the video download.  It just kind of obvious.  They just give it away when you watched the battle scene.  I wish more could be done for the battle scene, like when Yuna summon Ifrit, she could chant some magic spell like "Hellfire god, Ifrit, I call out" look, the gameplay have voice acting but I didn\'t hear she say something like that.  Or when they cast any magic spells.  Even the battle attack looks similiar to FF8, which i hated.  I hope we don\'t have to draw magics like ff8 or upgraded weapons....

Just my opinion.

wELL after playing the mgs2 demo. There is not a game out right now that beats it. And SF story was so bland. It could never be a MGS2 killer.

yea but how would you know if FFX or MGS2 are innovative - i mean sure you may have played the demo of MGS2 but how different is it really over MGS and also FFX hasn\'t even had a whole lot talked about it gameplay wise - at least not as much as MGS2

all i am trying to say that is like comparing PS2 and Xbox gameplay wise - you can\'t seeing how you haven\'t tried Xbox

I think that Final Fantasy X may have a chance to surpass the invincible Metal Gear Solid 2 I mean if its something like  Final Fantasy 7 then it will be a good competitor to Metal Gear Solid. But if its something like Final Fantasy 8 then it will stand no chance.

I don\'t really understand what is so great about the MGS series.  I mean at least the first one.  Sure it had a glitzy storyline, but you take that away and you have very mediocre gameplay, except for maybe some of the boss challenges, with no sort of replay value.  Syphon Filter (I don\'t know about the second one) made you spend more time playing, than just passing you along easily so that you could see the ending.
It kind of scares me that gaming has gotten to the point where people think a good game is a game that you spend more time watching than playing.  Personally, I think storyline should try to be based around gameplay, not the other way around.  After all, they are games.

NO NO NO NO NO.  How dare you say that Mgs on psOne had mediocre gameplay?  Obviously, you are one of those types that like to blow up stuff mindlessly.  MGS for ps1 had innovation, a new storyline, and plenty of replay value.  You have two endings, for instance, and you don\'t really focus on shooting the hell outta each other but stealth, sneaking up on the enemy, not bieng caught, etc.  Sf had none of these awsome factors, but "run, shoot, reloaad.  Rinse, lather, and repeat."  Shame on you, for you have disgraced the world of gaming.

Originally posted by Bobs_Hardware


a good final fantasy is better than any other game on earth, IMO...but im not sure about FFX, i think it may go the way of FF8 (not good)...but if its anything like FF7, 9, Chrono Cross etc. then i would pick it over MGS2

Baah baah baah, you\'d buy crap on a stick if it came from Squaresoft.

MGS2 will surely rule all FF games ever made. Or perhaps I\'m just biased because I hate FF.

I liked Syphon Filter, it didn\'t quite beat MGS, but it was also a good game. Too bad SF3 isn\'t for PS2 though.

Originally posted by TheDbzGuru
NO NO NO NO NO.  How dare you say that Mgs on psOne had mediocre gameplay?  Obviously, you are one of those types that like to blow up stuff mindlessly.  MGS for ps1 had innovation, a new storyline, and plenty of replay value.  You have two endings, for instance, and you don\'t really focus on shooting the hell outta each other but stealth, sneaking up on the enemy, not bieng caught, etc.  

Again, there\'s the storyline factor, you keep bringing up.  Storyline has nothing to do with great gameplay.  While you are right, the innovation of "tactical espionage action" (which originally appeared on NES)  is great it didn\'t actually mix well into the game.  Basically, the game material and the gameplay didn\'t mix well.  In the game you constantly found yourself going back through areas that you had already been through.  After, you get out of the first two buildings you just had to return back through them twice, and then get caught by Wolf and sent all the way back to the first.  At the end, you had to go back through the final building twice also(to get the card heated and cooled).  The gameplay would have been better if the levels weren\'t so repetitive.  Also, the constant and insurpassable codec calls cut up alot of the gameplay.

You also seem to think that simply becuase I didn\'t like MGS as much as you did, that  I enjoy more simplistic (I guess you good say) gameplay.  You must not remember that in the game there were several times when confontations with the guards were inevitable (such as in the elevator with the camouflage guys, going to the top of the first communications tower, the first elevator trip down in the final building, etc.)  The reason why the added this is becuase they thought that people would soon start finding gun cameras not such a challenge.  MG on NES was much better.

Your also wrong about Syphon Filter\'s gameplay.  It brought up plenty of challenges along the way.  You did have a portions of stealth action, as well has having to complete objectives like getting to the end of a dark tunnel using a nightvision sniper rifle, stopping an airborne missile, finding your way through catacombs, and locating and terminating scientists(which is of course the trademark of a truly great game =))  It wasn\'t just running around and shooting stuff like you suggest.  The only problem with Syphon Filter is it didn\'t have the massive marketing campaign that MGS did.

Baah baah baah, you\'d buy crap on a stick if it came from Squaresoft.  

                          MGS2 will surely rule all FF games ever made. Or perhaps I\'m just biased because I hate FF.  

                          I liked Syphon Filter, it didn\'t quite beat MGS, but it was also a good game. Too bad SF3 isn\'t for PS2 though.

That was not wise samwise. ring ring ring hello? Do you like scary movies? I know where you are! Oh ya what am i doing? Playing mgs2 demo on your ps2 in your attic! Ok im calling the cops a$$hole.NO! DONT! ILL LEAVE!


 But seriously just because you dont like ff, dont say stuff like that cause ff7 will be the best and stay the best and was the best video game of all time.

Originally posted by cloud345



That was not wise samwise. ring ring ring hello? Do you like scary movies? I know where you are! Oh ya what am i doing? Playing mgs2 demo on your ps2 in your attic! Ok im calling the cops a$$hole.NO! DONT! ILL LEAVE!


 But seriously just because you dont like ff, dont say stuff like that cause ff7 will be the best and stay the best and was the best video game of all time.

I *think* SamWise is just kidding.

FFX and MGS2 will both help PS2 so please stop the arguement.

Originally posted by cloud345
That was not wise samwise. ring ring ring hello? Do you like scary movies? I know where you are! Oh ya what am i doing? Playing mgs2 demo on your ps2 in your attic! Ok im calling the cops a$$hole.NO! DONT! ILL LEAVE!


 But seriously just because you dont like ff, dont say stuff like that cause ff7 will be the best and stay the best and was the best video game of all time.

Well, first off it was just an inside joke to Bobs_Hardware. Secondly, I actually don\'t like FFVII all that much. So how can you say it\'s say it\'s the best videogame of all time? It is, afterall, just opinion. For me FFVII is most certainly not the best game of all time - I enjoyed MGS a whole lot more. I know lots of people praise the FF series, but I\'m not one of them.

BTW, welcome back Soul Reaver! Long time no see.

Final Fantasy X might have a chance if it follows the line of Final Fantasy 7 but if not Metal Gear Solid 2 will dominate.