Let\'s end the whole "kiddie" debate in here

Originally posted by Eiksirf
Sometimes I read **** that makes me want to smack myself upside the head.  First of all, the thing looks like a Dual Shock 2.  Second of all, shut up, that was the most retarded thing I\'ve read all day - and I\'ve been chatting it up with N64 "kiddies" all day long.

I was referring to the primary colors the controller is molded in, not the shape.  The colors are reminiscent of Fisher Price toys.  Am I wrong?  Why did you say what I wrote is retarded?  It would be more effective if you said why the controller DOESN\'T look like it was manufactured by Fisher Price.

Why are you offended by any of this?  I didn\'t say that youth-oriented games are crap.  I just said that\'s the market Nintendo appears to be leaning toward.  I don\'t personally enjoy those games, but I can see how anyone of any age could.  I didn\'t say the games would be unsuitable for older gamers.  I just said that among non-hardcore-gamers, the overall marketing of the gamecube could discourage adults from purchasing it.  You take this stuff too personally by reading some kind of insult into it.  It appears you just don\'t like the word "kiddie," so I\'ll use the phrase "youth-oriented" to be more PC.  What you call it doesn\'t change reality.

Originally posted by Coredweller

I was referring to the primary colors the controller is molded in, not the shape.  The colors are reminiscent of Fisher Price toys.  Am I wrong?  Why did you say what I wrote is retarded?  It would be more effective if you said why the controller DOESN\'T look like it was manufactured by Fisher Price.

Want me to refute that?  OK...



*sarcasm* Look, this car is yellow!  It looks like a Fisher Price car.  And look at those kiddie parking space lines on the road, too!  And my neighbor\'s house is blue, his house must have been built by Fisher Price Lumber, Ltd. */sarcasm*

And the only time I get offended is when things I enjoy are insulted for such asburd reasons as this.  I wonder how Kieth would feel after you told him his \'98 Mustang GT was like a kiddy Fisher Price toy?  Exactly.

Anyway, Nintendo has a strangehold on the young market because of all the E rated games.  E still stands for \'Everyone\' though, which is why adult gamers will always have a place to go with the Gamecube (not to mention more and more the adult gamers are the ones with nostalgic NES memories).  Add to that the more mature/teen offerings that are coming up as well as growing RPG and Sports support, and the GCN will cater to these same gamers even moreso.

Whoever said Nintendo didn\'t need to change was right, but that\'s because not only does it have a strangehold on the \'E\' market, it also offers more for gamers who enjoy a few M and T games along the way.

-Eik

I agree with Faithdies here. Take for xample Silent Hill2.
Konami won\'t port it to NGC, but it will to GBA. My opninion is this is because the GBA versions is less graphic explicit and it plays like a virtual book.
On the other hand we can see Capcom bringing various
Resident E games to NGC and lately I heard Onimusha 2 is comin to NGC as well.
So referring to Nintendo as \'kiddy\' doesn\'t apply
( anymore ), but youth-oriented does.

Living in Clip goes on about the \'fun\' factor. Sure I can enjoy a game that is \'fun\' in that way. But the scene where Snake thinks after he shot Sniper Wolf, with Otacon in grief isn\'t fun.
It\'s about deep plot, emotional engagement and thinking about values and stuff.
So, \'fun\' isn\'t always what I want in a game. So the current years, in the \'mature-oriented\' genre , imo we are moving from ; blood/gore and rude jokes like Duke Nukem - to the more \'sophisticated dark
world in which we as gamers can reflect upon the actions our game protagonist, for example Snake, effect
the game and it\'s story but also our moral values and standards.
So Nintendo.... uh uhm , I mean Rare comming with a game like Conkers BFD isn\'t the way to \'win\' an older audience.
Knotter8

Consider the following quote of Tshirts in the ‘Videogames.com reviews possibly riggged\' thread:

Originally posted by Tshirts


Consider this, the game(Twisted Metal: Black) recieving a 9.5 firmly places it in the elite group of stellar titles like:

Chrono Cross, Soul Calibur, and Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Paper Mario, etc.

All great, innovative softwares that brought some new gameplay, and extended it\'s respective genre to new heights.

Three out of four "elite stellar titles" Tshirts named are for Nintendo systems. Do ya think maybe Tshirts is playing devils advocate to get Nintendo fans to argue his case for him? Hmmm....

BUSTED!

I\'ll play along anyway.

What is the game the legendary Hideo Kojima was last reported to be playing? Pokeman! With his 5 year old son. If asked, Hideo would probably say they both were having a blast.

Side note; I guess mm thinks Hideo should be shot;)

My point is, even if most of the GC\'s sold will be bought by parents of the twelve and under set, it doesn\'t mean Mom or Dad won\'t be having fun with it too, along with all the gamers who have the money and time to invest in more than one good system. PS2 is first choice, being out first with a larger selection of titles that appeal to the more mature gamer. The Nintendo is kiddie argument won\'t ever keep the games from being enjoyed by players of all ages

my take:

1) yes the term kiddie in this sense is slightly disrespectful...and yet still true. perhaps the phrase"youth market" hath not offend as much.

2) the controller does look fischer price-ish...and i love their toys!(i am 29) xbox could only die for a controller this cool(i know i haven\'t had a hands on with either but i have yet to read one glowing review on the xbox controller form a non fanboy) SO WHAT?

3) i still play paper scissors rock to determine close arguments...i still enjoy many of the games of my youth...to be more brief: I LIKE GAMES! and it looks like gamecube will have some really great ones, youth market or not!

and while I won\'t pick a gamecube up the moment it comes out i think with the technology it has inside it will surpass n64\'s failings and i will probably snag one at some point.

So your saying that the maturity level of a game depends on how many buckets of gore and comical slapstick-like violence is in the game.  I guarren-godamn-tee you that the people who grew up with Mario will be drawn to the GC.  You don\'t play videogames to look cool or to be popular, you play videogames to have fun.  I would take Sonic Adventure 2 over some gore and swear filled game with no substance anyday.

I\'ve said it once and I\'ll say it again. If someone can not enjoy a game because it does not have excessive blood and nothing but realistic killing then something is seriously wrong with them. Maybe they have a chemical imbalance or something.

Originally posted by Gohan
Maybe they have a chemical imbalance or something.

[Ethugg] Then they should go kill themselves![/Ethugg]

Sorry, couldn\'t resist...

/goes back to playing Chrono Trigger

[Living-In-Clip]

Originally posted by Eiksirf




Whoever said Nintendo didn\'t need to change was right, but that\'s because not only does it have a strangehold on the \'E\' market, it also offers more for gamers who enjoy a few M and T games along the way.

-Eik

I said that.


I see alot of people complaining about what the controller looks like. Well, I will agree it is not my favorite design, but if the controller works just fine and is comfortable does it matter what it looks like? NO, it doesn\'t.

Gohan said it perfectly. Someone must have a chemical inbalance or something if you can\'t enjoy a game just because it doesn\'t have tons of blood.

[Bobs_Hardware]

Tshirts, you seem to be under the impression that Nintendo games dont apeal to Adult gamers...i think ive seen a few adults in my time playing, or speaking highlky of nintendo...chances are, some of the pro Nintendo fans in here  are over the age of 14 (sorry, that excludes you Jumpman)

Tshirts, you seem to be under the impression that Sony and Microsoft wont have any games orientated towards kids...the \'kids\' market is extremely large, and when those kids grow up playing their \'kiddy\' games, knowing they love them, chances are, they are gonna stick with that company and continue to get their gaming goodies from it.

Tshirts, you seem to be under the impression that we think you are objective

Tshirts says~~

Microsoft and Sony are planning 1.5 something billion dollars this fall alone aspiring for the adult market. I doubt Nintendo will even shell out a fraction of that amount of money considering they still have to maintain their target group(kids) by advertising on Saturday morning cartoons, and cereal boxes, etc. Keep in mind, the opposition has a great deal more money than Nintendo has, and they only have to focus on one group. As far as advertising "to draw this very important, crucial market" do you think Nintendo will be able to compete with the likes of the two behemoths? I am sorry, but I highly doubt they will be able to even break into this market let alone grab a fair portion of it.

Honestly, what have we seen from Nintendo so far in regards to them "breaking into the adult market". They simply do not have the softwares, the funds, and the ammuntion to go up against the likes of Sony and Microsoft.

hmm...break into the market...you know, i have one word for you...Zelda...while i personally dont like this game, i am under the impression that quite a few adults do...and definately enough adults to \'break\' into the industry...and, how many copies did Goldeneye and Perfect Dark sell...those games alone have garnered quite a following, and the Perfect Dark sequal (although not a launch game unfortunately) will draw many adult gamers to buy the console....break into the market...please, yo should be more worried about Microsoft breaking into the market

How can a title like Eternal Darkness(the only adult title this fall) even begin to compete with a MGS2, Silent Hill 2, or DOA 3, etc. Another thing is, the support from developers(for mature titles) for the system is too limited and many(Konami) are shying away from developement(MGS2, SH won\'t be ported) altogether. Simply put, without the right support, outlook, advertising, and softwares, they won\'t have a chance.

it doest really matter, there wont be enough gamers with GameCube\'s soon enough after launch to need all the extra games.  You dont think people who buy the gamecube are going to buy other games available.  Chances are, people buying it at launch will have done their research, and will know what games they are getting.  I also think if you have a look, the people waiting up all night in line for their GameCube, chances are they are going to be adults...especially in Japan.

A game like Mario will simply not draw the adult gamers and that is the point I am trying to make here.

that is absolute bull****.  Mario is one of the most widely accepted games worldwide, you dont think if they put a new mario game out, it would sell...and sell to adults?

Neither titles are consider "mature" because they have characteristics suitable for children(family oriented). Another problem we have is although some individuals consider games like Zelda, F Zero, etc as "mature" titles, those types of games simply do not draw the adult gamers to the system.

does SSX qualify as a \'mature\' title???  i would consider it so, even though by your definition...and lets make clear, it is YOUR interpretation on the dictionary definition...it would fail, as it as elements that kids can enjoy?  Adults love the game, kids love the game, your definition is flawed.

gah!  Eik has pretty much summed up everything else

lets make this clear, i am NOT a nintendo fan, and dont really like sticking up for them, but in my opinion, your reasoning is flawed.  And if someone says something stupid about the XBox, god forbid, i  would even stick up for that

hehe

Yea some of my reasonings are definitely flawed, but seriously let\'s just lay this issue to rest.  I am so sick of it.  Haha

[Bobs_Hardware]

Originally posted by Tshirts
hehe

Yea some of my reasonings are definitely flawed, but seriously let\'s just lay this issue to rest.  I am so sick of it.  Haha

...wha???  where the hell did that come from???  ok then...i guess  

In the end Sony will come out on top.

The thing is the kiddy market out numbers the adult marker 5 to 1, so even if nintendo gears to that market they will come out on top.

[Bobs_Hardware]

Originally posted by Ricco
The thing is the kiddy market out numbers the adult marker 5 to 1, so even if nintendo gears to that market they will come out on top.

i think your figures are a little off...wasnt the average age of gamers like late teens early twenties?  5 to 1 is a pretty high ratio, theres no way its that much...is there