Mgs2 Is Not Hitting Gamecube

"Nintendo\'s approach has always been quality over quanity "[/b]

Yes and this is one of the most assinine approach I have ever seen in the history of videogaming.  How do Nintendo go about to determine which game is high caliber and which one is not?  Judging from the sea of mediocre titles released for the N64 such as Superman and the lack of innovative, daring titles from 3rd party companies it seems like anything without a huge license, franchise or a strong backing will simply not find their way on the system.  Simply put, all the smaller innovative companies such as Treasure(unless if they have a strong backing) and games as different as say....Samba De Amigo....never saw the light of day on the system.  Seriously have you ever seen a small, daring, innovative game on the N64 before?  This approach basically eliminated the smaller companies who don\'t have the finance to buy a franchise or make a commercialize game.  Take a look at Microsoft and Sony.  Their free-for-all market basically ensures all developers are on equal standing and it also gives us gamers the freedom to choose what is a high caliber title and what is not.  Nintendo basically took that freedom away from us with their stupid "quality over quantity" mantra.  One man\'s trash is another man\'s treasure remember.  Worse of all, when you think about it, the ppl who are actually determining the quality of these titles are a bunch of bigots in suits who simply don\'t know jack about gaming.  If it doesn\'t have a big name license or a strong financial backing then, to them, it is not a high grade product.  That is why trash like Superman made their way through simple as that!

Originally posted by Gohan

I see Sony is not getting EAD, Rare, and PD2. Whats your point? I\'ve said it once and I\'ll say it again, MGS is not a system maker/breaker. As for Square, they are no longer the top dawgs when it comes to RPGs. There are many othere companies putting out RPGs much better than the latest incarnations of FF. Namely Enix and they have not declared support of anyone yet.

Uhhhhhh.....square not the top dawg anymore?!  Strange name one rpg in japan that sold at much as ff9 2.8 million.  Then a look at famsitu mosted wanted list whats on the top?  Guess what?  Final Fantasy X!!!!!!  Square is still an awesome company with awesome sales. Trust me mgs2 will be THE game this fall.   As for enix I think there a 98.9% chance they will  stick with ps2 development.   Plus the namco, square and enix deal.  Sony already invested in it so you know what that means?

Originally posted by Krimson
This sucks for GC fans. There\'s no reason GC owners should have to miss out while XBers and PS2ers get it.

*To nintendo fans* Hahahahahahahahahahaha no mgs2 for you.   Hahahahahhahahahahaha......

Originally posted by raslant



*To nintendo fans* Hahahahahahahahahahaha no mgs2 for you.   Hahahahahhahahahahaha......

*To Sony fans*

No Perfect Dark 2, no Zelda, no Mario, no Luigi\'s Mansion, no Star Fox Adventures, no Eternal Darkness, no Too Human, no Resident Evil Zero, no Kameo, no Rogue Squadron 2, no Mario Kart, no Wave Race, no Thornado, no Raven Blade, and no Metroid.... BUHUHUHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
 Who needs MGS2? HAHAHAHA!
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Dammit, I clicked edit instead of new reply. I had a post ahnilating Tshirts argument. Ah well. I\'ll do it when I\'m not so lazy.

Originally posted by raslant
Uhhhhhh.....square not the top dawg anymore?!  Strange name one rpg in japan that sold at much as ff9 2.8 million.  Then a look at famsitu mosted wanted list whats on the top?  Guess what?  Final Fantasy X!!!!!!  Square is still an awesome company with awesome sales. Trust me mgs2 will be THE game this fall.   As for enix I think there a 98.9% chance they will  stick with ps2 development.   Plus the namco, square and enix deal.  Sony already invested in it so you know what that means?

Umm...Enix sold 4 million+ copies of Dragon Quest in Japan alone. So don\'t get it twisted. Enix has not announced any upcoming RPGs. If they did their game would be at the top of Famitsu\'s most wanted list.

BTW, Enix never announced PS2 support. They said they will support the console with the largest installed userbase and since they have not accepted PS2 as that console it is obvious they think Nintendo and Microsoft can outsell them.

MGS2 may be ONE of the better games coming out this fall but that does not make it an automatic Platinum seller.

"Quality over quantity" is basically "quality control".  Any sort of regulation cannot be good.  Not everyone has the same taste in gaming, so how do you go about to determine what is suitable for the gaming public and what is not?  Bottomline, the ppl who suffer most are the smaller companies that make daring games.

Diddy kong, Blast corps, and Conker daring?  Lol give me a break!

Originally posted by Tshirts
"Quality over quantity" is basically "quality control".  Any sort of regulation cannot be good.  Not everyone has the same taste in gaming, so how do you go about to determine what is suitable for the gaming public and what is not?  Bottomline, the ppl who suffer most are the smaller companies that make daring games.

Diddy kong, Blast corps, and Conker daring?  Lol give me a break!

Ohhhhhh...........I remeber that quality over quanity crap.  Hmmmmmm..........that may be why nintendo took 6 months to realese one game.  Gee, that really won them the war last genration didn\'t it?

Well atleast he read it so I don\'t have to do the whole thing over again.

"Quality over quantity" is basically "quality control".

Yes I know... Quality control for Nintendo!

For anyone who didn\'t read my previous post which I acidently edited over, I said something like this.

When Nintendo says they focus on quality over quantity then they mean their internal development teams(1st and 2nd parties) will out one spectacular title instead of making three descent ones.

Not everyone has the same taste in gaming, so how do you go about to determine what is suitable for the gaming public and what is not?

I don\'t. But what you just said destroys your SuperMan64 argument. Maybe the the people who played it liked it?

Diddy kong, Blast corps, and Conker daring? Lol give me a break!

Don\'t put words in my mouth, I said DKR wasn\'t has unique as Conker and Blast Corps.

Second,  have you ever played these two games(BC and Conker)? They\'re two very innovative titles that have never been done before.

Blast Corps has gameplay that has never been done before. \'Nuff said. The game was awesome btw, maybe a little too hard for you.

Don\'t get me started on Conker not being innovative. The game isn\'t just a platform game, it combines game elements from tons of different genres! Puzzles, third person shooting, first person shooting, flying, and platform. The game isn\'t just Banjo-Kazooie with tons and tons of swearing, it\'s completely different from it. - Hence it\'s an innovative title.

Also to point out.... Enix is making Dragon Warrior for the cube. I personnally don\'t like the Metal Gear series to care about it. I\'d rather blast in and blow the place up. Such as too human will be.... If you walk into one room... You shoot and blow stuff up, next room you have to employ strategy and stealth. That game will be awesome and Jumpman, you forgot Super Smash Brothers Melee:D

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I\'m sorry if some of you can not apperticate quality over quanity but I rather have one great game every six months then the crap that floods the market monthly now. Quality control is a great thing that Sony just totally done without with the Psone. Sure, after the Psone is dead and gone they can say they had X amount of titles, but the fact is only a small, very SMALL amount of those are must haves. And if there was ever another big market crash, it would be because there is no quality control.

As for the "no MGS2" for GC fans . No big deal. As Jumpman said, PS2 fans don\'t get Lugi\'s Manison, Perfect Dark 2, Resident Evil 0 , etc,etc. Fact is, every system has exclusives and while MGS2 is a big exclusive (or is it exclusive? MGSX? )  it will not make or break the GC or PS2. Sure, it\'ll sell alot of copies, but so will Resident Evil 0. So , what exactly is your point? But, Ras, aren\'t you the one who said Ninja Gaiden would be to mature for the GC - even though Ninja Gaiden has been on both the NES and SNES? I don\'t want to bring up a dead topic, it just seems you have a slight hatred towards Nintendo that makes you forget certain \'facts\', like Nintendo also having quite a few big exclusives.

 
As for the comments about Blast Corps. I hate the fact that I have to point out, that when the game was released it was very gorgeous and very original and no game has still matched the unique gameplay that Blast Corps had through-out the game. People only "dogged" it because it was rather difficult. I hate RARE, but I have mass respect for Blast Corps.

The Nintendo games being mentioned are nothing great. For one, after reading reports in Edge, Gamesmaster and CVG, I can conclude that Luigi\'s Mansion has great graphics, but lame gameplay (read these mags if you don\'t trust me.) Waverace, is well, nice. Starfox Adventures is nowhere near complete and looks very, very childish. Reports also reveal that Eternal Darkness is a strictly average horror game, decribed in Edge.....
      "This is no Silent Hill2, but an average attempt....ect."

And...Pikimin!! Wooooo! Pokemom!! Yay!!! Smash Bros2..wow!!! The same (alomast exactly) But with much better graphics and ONE MORE CHARACTER!!!

The Metroid game had little footage at E3, so I\'ll leave that...it only had a video.

Originally posted by CS2x
The Nintendo games being mentioned are nothing great. For one, after reading reports in Edge, Gamesmaster and CVG, I can conclude that Luigi\'s Mansion has great graphics, but lame gameplay (read these mags if you don\'t trust me.) Waverace, is well, nice. Starfox Adventures is nowhere near complete and looks very, very childish. Reports also reveal that Eternal Darkness is a strictly average horror game, decribed in Edge.....
      "This is no Silent Hill2, but an average attempt....ect."

And...Pikimin!! Wooooo! Pokemom!! Yay!!! Smash Bros2..wow!!! The same (alomast exactly) But with much better graphics and ONE MORE CHARACTER!!!

The Metroid game had little footage at E3, so I\'ll leave that...it only had a video.

I know people are hyping these nintendo games like there the second coming or somthing.  I also heard some negitive things about luigi mansion gameplay, but I would have try it out for myself before I judge it.

Originally posted by CS2x
The Nintendo games being mentioned are nothing great. For one, after reading reports in Edge, Gamesmaster and CVG, I can conclude that Luigi\'s Mansion has great graphics, but lame gameplay (read these mags if you don\'t trust me.) Waverace, is well, nice. Starfox Adventures is nowhere near complete and looks very, very childish. Reports also reveal that Eternal Darkness is a strictly average horror game, decribed in Edge.....
      "This is no Silent Hill2, but an average attempt....ect."

First off I would like to point out, that in Luigi\'s Mansion, after E3 someone at Nintendo said that what you saw at E3 of Luigi\'s Mansion, was like just seeing the CourtYard around Peach\'s Castle in Mario 64.

Wave Race is fun, ok. Its the best in its class of water racing, plus we have yet to see the Tsunami mode (!!) , which I bet will be just awesome.

Another Nintendo kiddy thing, first off, Star Fox: Dinosuar Planet was originally a N64 game which was switched to the GC and it needs to get fully transfered over so don\'t bash how it looks, plus the gameplay looks good on it.

Eternal Darkness has innovation in it. From what I\'ve heard from other people at E3 they saw it was fun. Plus you have 20 different characters in the game to control, and the insanity meter.

And...Pikimin!! Wooooo! Pokemom!! Yay!!! Smash Bros2..wow!!! The same (alomast exactly) But with much better graphics and ONE MORE CHARACTER!!!

The Metroid game had little footage at E3, so I\'ll leave that...it only had a video.

I assume you entirly judge Pikmin by its name. You reject the title because it doesn\'t look "mature" enough for you. Webster say Mature is fully developed or suitibal for a person of maturity. Just because it doesn\'t have blood and gore in it with sexual themes, doens\'t mean it isn\'t fun to play and innovative. So stop bashing it like a little kid because you really acted like one in the last half of that post. Something Nplayr would do.

And on Super Smash Brothers Melee. This is the best fighter of all time, IMO. The gameplay in the 64 version was almost flawless in multiplayer but lacked in 1 player. Thats why Melee is here. And where in the hell did you get the idea of one more character!??! They showed 5 extra characters at E3 in playing, then they showed many more in a gallery video. Instead of 4 extra characters, about 18 extra characters, OR MORE if you see the selection board. I can\'t remember the link though. Much better graphics was needed too. The chracters in the 64 version had almost no detail. Now we get more courses, more items, better graphics, more characters, more moves, flawless gameplay. Its just what most of us want.

And about Metriod, its too early to judge anything on this.

Now I must be off.

Edit: It took the Star Fox: Dinosaur Planet like Star Fox:DP

The Nintendo games being mentioned are nothing great. For one, after reading reports in Edge, Gamesmaster and CVG

You get your information from those places? ...LMAO! I\'m laughing because I\'ve never even heard of them. They can\'t be too reliable then.

I can conclude that Luigi\'s Mansion has great graphics, but lame gameplay (read these mags if you don\'t trust me.)

You can\'t conclude anything without  playing the game. PlanetGameCiube and IGN happened to think Luigi\'s Mansion was a great game. And do you honestly think the whole purpose of the game will to suck up ghosts? HA! Miyamoto is not an idiot, there will be more to the game then you think.

[quopte]Waverace, is well, nice. [/quote]
It\'s by far the best jet-ski game coming out for any console if it plays like the original(which I hear it does).

Starfox Adventures is nowhere near complete and looks very, very childish.

So? Who cares what the game looks like? People who buy games should worry about the gameplay and nothing else.

BTW, Jak and Dexter looks very, very childesh too.

Reports also reveal that Eternal Darkness is a strictly average horror game, decribed in Edge.....
"This is no Silent Hill2, but an average attempt....ect."

I wouldn\'t of replied to your idiotic post, but this pushed me to do so.

EVERY other gaming site is raving about Eternal Darkness. It\'s gameplay is solid the camera angles don\'t bother you like they did in RE.

I\'d say this game could be a revolutionary game in the survival horror genre. Just read this preview. http://nintensity.com/previews/eternaldarkness.html

One more thing, the game is over 45 hours long. How long is the average survival horror? 5 hours max(atleast for me). I don\'t have any doubt when I say Eternal Darkness will be the best horror game out this fall.

And...Pikimin!! Wooooo! Pokemom!! Yay!!!

This line proves your a fanboy. Just because it sounds like Pokemon does it mean like it will play like it? NO.

I hate blind fanboys.

Smash Bros2..wow!!! The same (alomast exactly) But with much better graphics and ONE MORE CHARACTER!!!

omg! It sounds like every other sequal to a fighting game to date! WOW!  

:rolleyes:

In case you still don\'t understand, then every sequal to a fighting game is like that. Tekken 3 is a perfect example. Had improved gameplay and graphics over Tekken 2, and not many new characters.

Again, your just making yourself look like an idiot when you say something so moronic like that. Please refrain from replying, I don\'t want to be dragged down to the same level as you.

EDIT- Damn you JediMaster! You beat me to it. Next time will be different though.