The PS2 Hard Drive will FAIL! It will bring down PS2 with it.

Well he is NOW, DAMN YOU!!!!!!!!!!!;)

...damn pureists...

Originally posted by CygnusXI
I love the Sega logic..........

Yep. since add-ons have failed in the past there must never be add-ons again. Uh huh.

Everyone who comes to boards like this KNEW that the PS2 was going to get a HDD/Modem add-on.....and they bought the PS2 anyway. Go figure.

Now I know that forum geeks like us by no means represent a MAJORITY of PS2 owners, but here\'s the twist....

Never before in the history of add-ons has the internet (and on-line gaming) been so prevelent. If EVER there was an atmosphere condusive to this type of add-on it IS NOW!

That will by no means gaurantee Sony\'s success in this venture, but the odds have never been better. I for one applaud their efforts. I would rather see one try, and fail, than never to try at all (because of fear of the past).

Note: Yes, the best option would have been to include it from the get go, but cost (look at all the whining on that issue) and Sony\'s desire to get the device right before release, impeded that option.

Listen to this man, he knows his stuff.

just because a addon failed a while ago dosent mean that it will fail now. sony is not stupid, if they were, they would have never grown to be such a large company.

the internet is a big part of everyone\'s life nowadays.
and so this addon has a better chance of surviving since the casual gamers are actually willing to pay that amount these days to play online.

when the genisis was going, they only made improvements in hardware, and no internet was added.(there was none)

and for those who think the ps2 price will never drop, well it will, it will in time for the launch of GC and Xbox. they dont want to tell you that it will drop, otherwise it will make people think, "oh well i will just wait till the price drops."


again, im not saying this addon will do good, i just say that it will be very hard,  and it probably wont work if released at 150$  no official price set, but it will be close.
sony will have to either muscle it out (take losses, wich they very well might do) or not, and screw up..

All the previous Sega addon flops was basically because when Mega CD came out sega slowed down production of mega drive games, when 32x came out the same happened. Anotherwords these addons was required to be purchased to stay upto date and they wern\'t even new consoles, thus people didn\'t bother.

The PS2 hard drive, although would have been better installed, isn\'t a PS2 standard none hard drive console game stealer. I mean its a hard drive. You can save things too it, theres not going to be a load of exclusive PS2 games to use a hard drive, I mean how many more things can you do. Im sure games will include the option of saving to HD but big deal anyone without the HD can just use a standard memory card.

In short this addon won\'t take the PS2 down because it isn\'t trying to get people to move with technology. Its simply a addon which will be used more as a fancy feature, as appose to a must for games fans.

Square said, that Final Fantasy XI will require the HDD..without it you won\'t be able to play this game. Also pretty much all of the future online-games for PS 2 will require the HDD, so i don\'t think it will fail. And even if it will fail, the HDD will never have as much influence as to bring down PS 2, as most gamers are playing offline and it\'s just an add-on and not a requirement for playing (most) games. That would just hit the online-playablity of Sony\'s system.

I also think that Sony will put down the price later after launch!

The price for the internal PS2 harddrive
in the Netherlands ( and therefore an indicator
of the average European price ) has been
stated by Sony at DFL 375,-. Holy wowzers !
Now that should be about 180 American Dollars !
That\'s $30 more than ppl in the US pay...
This is an outragious ripoff indeed.
I doubt it will bring down the PS2, but let\'s face it :
it\'s another crappy move by Sony.
Like someone here said before, it shouldn\'t cost
more than a single game.
KNotter8

Knotter8, where did it say that?

Link?

Originally posted by Toxical



Didn\'t SONY make the Add on?

I believe the point you are trying to address might be that Sony had originally been the designing partner with Nintendo on Nintendo\'s desire to add a CD-ROM to their SNES.  Problems erupted however when the two sides didn\'t like working with each other all that much...so Sony took their toys & went home (right to the bank with the PSX - basically, it evolved from the previous design work they were doing with/for Nintendo).

This bit \'o history (that I\'ve tried to fill in) has little to do with the crux of the discussion of this thread...just thought it might bear point of interest to some and to clarify (what I believe might have been) Toxical\'s point.

Originally posted by Tails
Square said, that Final Fantasy XI will require the HDD..without it you won\'t be able to play this game. Also pretty much all of the future online-games for PS 2 will require the HDD, so i don\'t think it will fail. And even if it will fail, the HDD will never have as much influence as to bring down PS 2, as most gamers are playing offline and it\'s just an add-on and not a requirement for playing (most) games. That would just hit the online-playablity of Sony\'s system.

I also think that Sony will put down the price later after launch!

If both are required, it will hurt PS2. Add-ons will never sell to the mainstream unless they\'re (practically) free. Ever. I wish Sony all the luck in the world, but I can\'t imagine a even small possibility they\'ll pull it off. Sony\'s looking at a MAX 5% of users having both.

SEGA failures history:

Sega Master System failed because freaking Nintendo prevent any 3rd parties from making games for a different console other than it own.

SEGA CD addon fails because SEGA constantly change format every 1 or 2 years instead of the 5 years life span.  Not many developers support SEGA CD except a few and one of the well known is Lunar RPG.

32x fail thanks to changing format every 1 -2 years.  Not many games were made for it.  Probably have the least games of all in the console history.

Saturn - the 5 years plan should be now and it just right timing.  But dued to hard to programs and the cost of the system made the PlayStation (easier to program and a cheaper console) to dominate.

SEGA Gamegear- sure it was powerful than gameboy which have black and white for color.  Batteries died really quick like in 2 or 3 hours.

Nintendo past failure.

Power glove for NES died.
Virtual Boy died.
N64 is somewhat a success but also a failure.  Not many 3rd parties support.
64dd died.

Sony history
PSX is a success.
PS2 so far is a success with a number of 3rd parties.
Sony pick the smart way when they give add dual shock controller in the psx box instead of an add-on peripheral.

So far Sony haven\'t have a bad history yet.

But now hdd cost $150 is scaring me.  I prefer $99 or cheape for U. S. price.   But that is Japanese cost.  addon never have a good history.  Hopefully ps2 will be the first console to have a success with addon.

The HDD will not bring PS2 down because its not a necessity, more like a fancy utility some gamers will want.
The Network Adaptor will not bring PS2 down because the internet has become as mainstream as television and everyone from casual gamers to hardcore gamers will want to play online.

Oh and this belongs in Console Debating.

And thats the bottom line \'cause MY NAME IS SOLID SNAKE 88, I AM THE MGS CHAMPION, AND I CANNOT BE STOPPED!

[Bobs_Hardware]

it may fail....but it wont bring the PS2 down...if Sony start making games that NEED the HDD...and the HDD has already failed....wouldnt the logical thing to be...bundle it, or give it away free...no way Sony would be stupid enough to make a lot of games that need it, then not have the user base to support it

ok just on thing everything is gunna be fine sony is one of the largest componeys(spelling correct me if you will)in the world so dont worrie. we can all sleep at night knowing that sony has our gameing days planed...nuf said.

People are ignoring the (lack of) success of Multi Tap, Link cable and even the PocketStation.

Also, statistically, even a 2nd controller isn\'t boughten by a majority of casual gamers.

yea and wasn\'t the little ram add on for the N64 pretty successful - it should have been or alot of people are not having fun with Perfect Dark

well i think that the HDD will be for the Hardcore and for the FFXI addcits that aren\'t addicted to it but will be when info is released

well i am personally for the HDD - i don\'t see why if you can save up 300 bucks for a console and get lots of games why someone can\'t just save up a 100-150 bucks and get what they want

Originally posted by Sublimesjg

well i am personally for the HDD - i don\'t see why if you can save up 300 bucks for a console and get lots of games why someone can\'t just save up a 100-150 bucks and get what they want

1-Just so I don\'t give off the wrong impression, I don\'t really have a problem with addons, I have Sega CD, 32X, N64 RAM Pak and tons of controllers/memory cards.

2-But there\'s a big difference between something that is required for games, and  something that enhances them. FYI: the 64 Ram Pak was NOT successful. I remember a article about it last winter, it had about 3% N64 user base support. A failure by any measure. PD has sold only a couple million worldwide. That\'s a extremely small % of the user base. And Nintendo actually gave the pak away free with DK64... it still failed... factor in the price, and you can see the reason for doubting its (the HDD\'s) success.

I dont see the HDD doing better than 5% penetration, and thats being generous.