Worlds in Collison

To bring everyone up to date.  JediMaster and I got off-topic of the longest thread ever and started talking about a book called "Worlds in Collision."

Our debating started when the book makes reference to Venus as Athena, when in fact, Venus is Aphrodite.

So, the set everything up:

Aphrodite= Venus
Ares= Mars
Hephestus= Vulcan
Athena= Minerva

And with reference to the Trojan war:

Venus and Mars were for the Trojans.
Minerva and Vulcan were for the Greeks.

I would appreciate JediMaster to post the Venus/Mars collision again and lets see if we can sort everything out.

Go to your local library and rent the book.

Well I haven\'t been to the library in a long time. Last I remember we were still able to "Borrow" books, but I guess progress and budget cuts will do that. Nehow.. I have read a LITTLE Velikovsky. Mainly from Worlds in collision, but a few bits and pieces from other works such Earth in Upheaval, Volikovsky Reconsidered, and Ages in Chaos.

I find his theories to be a quite unique and definately off the wall, although some of them do seem to make sence or are at least thought provoking to say the least. Expecially his theory about how the Earth and Mars nearly collided several times back in early ancient greciean history... which is why so many cultures regard the "Red" planet and it\'s often violent corrosponding gods with reverence. Then through Aprodite\'s (Venus\'s) intervention (Veliovsky thought Venus was a rouge planet/comet that colided with mars several times and set it on it\'s current orbit) Mars calmed his fury.

Anyhow, it\'s been a LONG time since I\'ve read the novels so I might be a little off here. If you guys wanna start a convo, then I\'m not sure how far along I can get in it.. but at least I\'ve got the reference material at hand to try and keep pace.

Originally posted by SonyFan
Anyhow, it\'s been a LONG time since I\'ve read the novels. If you guys wanna start a convo, then I\'m not sure how far along I can get in it.. but at least I\'ve got the reference material at hand to try and keep pace.

Once I get my hands on a copy we\'ll have a good ol\' convo for sure.

Hum, I would go, but my local library is closed due to lack of funds. The damn Guam government is poor and corrupt I tell you!

On my way back from a meeting in downtown Athens (on foot) I stopped by the University Library (9 stories, huge) and I went to go get a copy of the book.  Turns out that our library system can\'t fit in the 9 stories of this huge building, and the book is in the 3 story Science Library, at the other end of campus.  Since my dorm was closer, I went there intead.  I\'ll pick up the copy from the Science library soon so that we can get discussing!

BTW:  Venus has always been Aphrodite, NEVER Athena.

I must have hit my head somewhere and forgot some mythology. Maybe it was because of the student teacher that we had then that was a Biatch. She gave someone a detention for saything " ____ sucks" I\'m glad shes gone. YAY. Just tell me when you\'ve got the book.

Alrighty!  I got the book!

Now where is the Venus/Mars part?  (I\'m gonna read it all, but I want to skip ahead to start the discussion!

Alrighty, I found the part about Venus.

This is what I have to say.

The author does not entirely say that Athena was "Venus,"  but (as I interpret it) that when the planet looked more like a comet, the Greeks didn\'t know any better and thought that that was a new comet in the sky, and thought that Venus was just somewhere else.  And when Venus lost it\'s tail, it was reffered to as Aphrodite again.

If you read the side notes acrerfully, there is a lot of reference saying that Athena (Minerva) had no physical form.  I think the author is implying that when Venus tooks its "comet-like" state is when the greeks gave her a physical form in the sky.

I have one problem with the note though.  Note 13 (on page 170, not sure if we have the same edition) says "The name Venus or Aphrodite belonged to the moon."

I was told a couple weeks ago by a professor of Mythology that the moon represented Hecate, not Aphrodyte.

So when Venus was in comet state they called it "Minerva" and when it was in it\'s planet state it was called "Venus."  I guess it get\'s confusing so the author just stuck with Venus because that is what the other culters were reffering too also.

Yer right. It is confusing. Damned confusing considering I\'m almost devoid of mythological knowlage past the very basics of greek mythology. However from what I\'ve read of it so far, Athena was thought to be born of both Zeus and the monster Typhon. Typhon was a rouge comet in our solar system that nearly colided with earth on at least one occassion just before settling down into a non-threating orbit.

The pillars of smoke, lightning, and global catastrophys which ensued (like the emptying of lake Triton in Africa) caused many ancient cultures to believe that a fierce battle was raging. The result, a much calmer or non-threating comet, was attributed to Athena/Minerva who "Won" the battle.

After the near collision with earth, the chemical compounds in the comet\'s trail and the compounds in our own atmosphere, mixed with the heat created by the two celestial bodies friction created Athena\'s "Ambrosial Robe" or "Mana from the sky"... which is what the Isrialites ate after their exodus from Egypt. Velikovsky also believes that the seven plauges described in Exodus in the bible we\'re caused by this celestial near miss. (Although I could swear I remember readin later in the book that it was Mars which nearly colided with the earth durring this time)

BTW: I thought the greeks assigned the god Apollo to the moon, not Venus. Isn\'t that why the US moon missions we\'re called the Apollo missions?

Originally posted by SonyFan
Yer right. It is confusing. Damned confusing considering I\'m almost devoid of mythological knowlage past the very basics of greek mythology. However from what I\'ve read of it so far, Athena was thought to be born of both Zeus and the monster Typhon. Typhon was a rouge comet in our solar system that nearly colided with earth on at least one occassion just before settling down into a non-threating orbit.

BTW: I thought the greeks assigned the god Apollo to the moon, not Venus. Isn\'t that why the US moon missions we\'re called the Apollo missions?

In Greek mythology, Athena is the daughter of Hera and Zeus, but Zeus decided to have the baby so he swolloed her.  Later Hephaestus cut open Zeuses head and out popped Athena.

And as I stated before, the Moon is attributed to Hecate.