I have gone off Nintendo

Originally posted by Faithdies
And why the PS2 launch analogy?
Did he even bring up the PS2 launch?
No he didnt.

Actually, he did say:

 "And the games....tsk, tsk. I know it\'s early days, but its looking pretty bleak. Luigis Mansion looks, well, cack. There doesn\'t seem to be much to do except catch ghosts with your hoover. Nice graphics, though. And what about two greatest games on the N64 , Zelda and Mario? Where are their innotive sequels?? Where are the adult games? Why are loads of games that are going to X-Box and PS2 not reaching gamecube? Where is the massive thirdparty support the SNES had? No fighting games except Super Smash Bros? Why is the next Metroid game so dissappointing? "

Which is a look at mostly launch games, so the comparason is valid.

He didnt even mention OWNING a PS2, so hes not comparing the GC launch to the PS2 launch.
Hes saying Nintendo, when COMPARED TO THEMSELVES is getting worse and worse.
A\'la SNES reference.
Also, at least the PS2 had a solid list WITH LAUNCH dates for adult games, if they werent launching with the PS2.

JediMaster,

Umm, I was reffering to the PSX vs N64. Nothing with GC or PS2. The N64 looks like horse manuer.

- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.

Originally posted by Claypool 2001
i dont care if you dont like them...

:rolleyes:



You are sounding just as I did CS2x. Just wait for launch and see how things turn out. And even if the launch sux (I highly doubt) there is still a chance it could be good. Nobody knows for sure.

Come on, let the man have his opinions. If he thinks Nintendo sucks, then be it. Geez, it\'s not like it affects your life or anything. And I agree with the guy saying that even Nintendo isn\'t perfect... it\'s just a money sucking company like any other for Christ\'s sake.

Calm down people,he only said he didnt think much of nintendo anymore.
And Jumpman as long as you still like nintendo then that should be all that matters to you,god if i replyed to every posts that said they didnt like the ps2(that would be alot) the way you had replyed then i think i might have had a heart attack!,but i dont let it bother me know,all i care about is that i still like the PS2: )
But it is good to see that you feel so strongly about nintendo.

Jump, you\'ve come a long way since you first started posting here. But in alot of ways, yer still very much a fanboy... and lately it seems like you\'ve been regressing.

"Didn\'t need any." (referring to CS2x\'s mention of N64\'s lack of 3rd party support)

Yes it did. I needed it very much so infact. Don\'t be a fool. There we\'re some great games on the N64.. but they should have had many more developers making many many more types of games which would help generate excitement and fill up the gaps in the N64\'s library where there we\'re only a slight handful of games in many genre\'s.

The DC is 10x the console the N64 was... and it DEFINATELY couldda used a lot more 3rd party support.




"PSX didn\'t have them either smart ass." (refering to the lack of Adventure Games)

Resident Evil 1 - 3
Silent Hill
Clock Tower 1 & 2
AitD: New Nightmare
The X-Files
Fear Effect 1 & 2
Tomb Raider 1-4 (more action/adventure than Adventure/action though)

And those are just off the top of my head. I\'m sure others here could list 10 to 20 more easliy. Already the PS2 is looking to be a good adventure game machine as well with Shadow of Destiny and Monkey Island 4 already here, and Resident Evil 4.. Silent Hill 2... Fear Effect 3... and a few new series starting up sometime this generation.

We\'ve had this discussion before Jump.. and you obviously don\'t even know what constitutes as an adventure game. If we were to loosen the standards quite a bit and add in games like Soul Reaver.. which most people do unfortunately.. then the list I made would increase 10 fold. But those aren\'t true adventures, so I believe they should count.



"Who cares what it ****ing looks like? As long as it has good games then I\'m happy." (I think you all know the pattern by now)

I agree. However I\'d be much happier if the casing didn\'t somehow fill me with the urge to watch "Hello Kitty" every time I looked at it.



"Miyamoto, the lead programmer, the most respected and talented game developer in the world, is fully behind this project."

Personally, I think Miyamoto is overrated. He\'s definately a great, but I don\'t think he\'s the most respected developer in the world. Definately not the most talented. I\'d say he\'s at least on par with other legends like Suzuki, Molyneuex, Roberta Williams, Romero, Kojima, and others.



"Kiddy argument for GameCube=dead."

Well, that\'s yet to be seen. The trend may or may not continue depending on how well recieved the shift is. Parents who think the NGC will be another N64 might be appauled by more adult oriented titles on a Nintnedo system.. and casual gamers might not have enough patience to give Nintnedo another try right away. Nintendo could very well go back to primarilly bein a "Family Entertainment" system.



"1. There is a lot of 3rd party support for GameCube so far.
2. Nintendo\'s 1st and 2nd party games are enough.
3. Their franchises are too hard to compete with."

Points 1, 2, and 3 are all invalid.

1. Nintnendo\'s 3rd party support so far is adequate. It\'s not great, it\'s not overwealming, and it\'s not pathetically absent. Time will tell weither or not the NGC gets the support it needs.

2. No they are not. Maybe for you.. but to make the NGC a commercial success they need to have 3rd parties on board. PERIOD. No console has ever thrived on simple 1rst and 2nd party support.

3. LOL. Ok, whatever man. Can you say opinionated bullshyt?



"Have you played it or seen it in motion? NO. And neither has anyone else. I suggest all of you save your negative and biased opinions on this game until you see it for yourselves. \'Nuff said about Metroid."

Agreed. However, you can\'t say that the news of it\'s switch to FPS and being developed by an green development house is heartining news. You may be excited about the possibilitys.. but I can guantee you that if you are anykind of a Metroid fan, it does strike a chord of fear in your heart. If not.. then you are about the only one who isn\'t at least a bit aprehensive about the news.

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Now, not to say that I think the NGC will be bad in anyway. In fact, I wholeheartly agree with general consensus of this thread. However, I just had to clear the air and give my take on Jumps post since his arrogance, and arrogance period, is a pet peeve of mine. Not to mention that it\'s going to be fun watching him spin out and get all PO\'d when he trys to respond.




Oh.. and one more think. JediMaster.. yer an idiot and a biggot. If you feel that way, then it is my opinion that you should not even be allowed to touch a controller. Or at least locked in a 5x5 room with nothing but a PC loaded to the gills with Text Adventures, EGA Masterpieces, and a load of roms from machines all 16 bit and lower. Then maybe you could learn to appreceate gaming for what it really is.

I just hate the rips on the "outer-casing"  because its such a BS reason to turn down a console I\'d rather it be something else than outer casing.

Yikes! A lot of hatred for me is still present. Oh well.

Originally posted by datamage


I forget the N64 is what gave birth to you.

ALL of Nintendo\'s games had ****ty @$$ blurry-as-hell textures with the worst resolution a 3D console can possible have. On top of that, the most unstable framerates that can make anyone puke. So before you call anyone an idiot go and play those pathetic and weak games you adore. Fog wasn\'t the only problem the N64 had, it had every conceivable problem a 3D system can have. So stfu.

Woah and people still say I sound like a kid...

All I did was destroyed the weak fog argument that you and Ryu were rambling about in another topic. You didn\'t have to go all psycho on me. At the time I was playing those games I simply didn\'t care about textures or resolution.

This next guy is on dope.

Jumpman,
you truely are an ass.
No one flamed the N64 or Gamecube.
He said so far he was dissapointed.
He didnt say that "nintendo sucks ass, and so does jumpman."

Don\'t you think I know that? He asked a lot of questions, and I gave them answer. He made a lot of false clames, which I corrected. Don\'t put words in my mouth.

Just curious, what are the release dates on those adult themed games?
And why the PS2 launch analogy?
Did he even bring up the PS2 launch?
No he didnt.

I just turned the tables to show that most consoles don\'t have very good launches because he was complaining about GameCubes.

So get off your high horse,
cause apparently its so far up your suffering from a lack of oxygen and realize, NINTENDO IS NOT INFALLIBLE!
They arnt the pope, and they arnt god, and they arnt jesus christ.
So admit it.
Come on.
Just say it, NINTENDO IS NOT PERFECT.
Whew, now that wasnt so bad.

**** you. I never once said NIntendo was perfect nor did I imply it. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Oh yeah, maybe the 1st an 2nd party Nintendo games just arnt enough for people.
Mayvbe they want an engaging story.

Then they should do what I did, and buy more than one system. :rolleyes:

He didnt even mention OWNING a PS2, so hes not comparing the GC launch to the PS2 launch.

Again, I was just showing him that every system has a poor launch(except Dreamcast of course).

Also, at least the PS2 had a solid list WITH LAUNCH dates for adult games, if they werent launching with the PS2.

What adult games? Summoner? Kessen? Please.

And Jumpman as long as you still like nintendo then that should be all that matters to you,god if i replyed to every posts that said they didnt like the ps2(that would be alot) the way you had replyed then i think i might have had a heart attack!,but i dont let it bother me know,all i care about is that i still like the PS2: )
But it is good to see that you feel so strongly about nintendo.

When someone says something stupid about anything then I\'ll reply. Use the PG thread as an example.

Yes it did. I needed it very much so infact. Don\'t be a fool. There we\'re some great games on the N64.. but they should have had many more developers making many many more types of games which would help generate excitement and fill up the gaps in the N64\'s library where there we\'re only a slight handful of games in many genre\'s.

That\'s why people own more than one system. Duh? I thought I said a million times that I own PSX.

The DC is 10x the console the N64 was(debatable but the number is more like 2X)... and it DEFINATELY couldda used a lot more 3rd party support.

I bought 12 or 13 1st and 2nd party games, I\'m not complaining about Nintendo\'s lack of third party support.

Resident Evil 1 - 3
Silent Hill
Clock Tower 1 & 2
AitD: New Nightmare
The X-Files
Fear Effect 1 & 2
Tomb Raider 1-4 (more action/adventure than Adventure/action though)

And those are just off the top of my head. I\'m sure others here could list 10 to 20 more easliy. Already the PS2 is looking to be a good adventure game machine as well with Shadow of Destiny and Monkey Island 4 already here, and Resident Evil 4.. Silent Hill 2... Fear Effect 3... and a few new series starting up sometime this generation.

We\'ve had this discussion before Jump.. and you obviously don\'t even know what constitutes as an adventure game. If we were to loosen the standards quite a bit and add in games like Soul Reaver.. which most people do unfortunately.. then the list I made would increase 10 fold. But those aren\'t true adventures, so I believe they should count.

Fine, I was wrong. Big deal. Those games were nothing spectacular anyways.

Personally, I think Miyamoto is overrated. He\'s definately a great, but I don\'t think he\'s the most respected developer in the world. Definately not the most talented. I\'d say he\'s at least on par with other legends like Suzuki, Molyneuex, Roberta Williams, Romero, Kojima, and others.

When Capcom made those two Zela GBC games, Miyamoto had them wipped. Whatever he suggested, they did without question. I bet you if you asked those developers who the most respected one is then they would say Miyamoto without hesitation.

Oops, I missed a part.

I agree. However I\'d be much happier if the casing didn\'t somehow fill me with the urge to watch "Hello Kitty" every time I looked at it.

Here\'s the silver version.



Here\'s the link to the black controller.

http://cubemedia.ign.com/media/news/image/spaceworld2000/DSC00020.JPG

Don\'t get the purple one then. \'Nuff said.

Well, that\'s yet to be seen. The trend may or may not continue depending on how well recieved the shift is. Parents who think the NGC will be another N64 might be appauled by more adult oriented titles on a Nintnedo system.. and casual gamers might not have enough patience to give Nintnedo another try right away. Nintendo could very well go back to primarilly bein a "Family Entertainment" system.

Whatever.

Kiddy argument for GameCube\'s games=dead.

Satisfied?

1. Nintnendo\'s 3rd party support so far is adequate. It\'s not great, it\'s not overwealming, and it\'s not pathetically absent. Time will tell weither or not the NGC gets the support it needs.

Capcom, Sega, Namco, Acclaim, Activision, EA, Factor 5, Kemco, KOEI, Konami, Infogrames, Interplay, Midway, Natsume, Paradigm, Temco, the almighty Titus, Take-Two, THQ, and Ubi Soft have all officially confirmed development for GameCube.

Time\'s up. Nintendo has plenty of third-party support so there won\'t be any horrible game drouts like there were on the N64. Combine that list with all of Nintendo\'s 1st and 2nd parties, and you got plenty of great games to last anyone.

No they are not. Maybe for you.. but to make the NGC a commercial success they need to have 3rd parties on board. PERIOD. No console has ever thrived on simple 1rst and 2nd party support.

The N64 did silly!!!! Factor 5 was the only third-party who made a good game.

Nintendo is the only one who can single-handedly survive on 1st and 2nd party alone. The N64 proves this without a doubt.

Oh I got 2 out of 3. Guess I should be proud.

Agreed. However, you can\'t say that the news of it\'s switch to FPS and being developed by an green development house is heartining news. You may be excited about the possibilitys.. but I can guantee you that if you are anykind of a Metroid fan, it does strike a chord of fear in your heart. If not.. then you are about the only one who isn\'t at least a bit aprehensive about the news.

It did strike something because I\'m the biggest Metroid fan in these forums, but since the game has not been properly shown then I can\'t not judge it.

Now, not to say that I think the NGC will be bad in anyway. In fact, I wholeheartly agree with general consensus of this thread. However, I just had to clear the air and give my take on Jumps post since his arrogance, and arrogance period, is a pet peeve of mine. Not to mention that it\'s going to be fun watching him spin out and get all PO\'d when he trys to respond.

Make no mistake. It\'s arrogance, not ignorance.

Did I get PO\'d? No. You underestimate my self-control capabilities and my intelligence.

jumpman, you got alot of time to kill, huh?

All I did was destroyed the weak fog argument that you and Ryu were rambling about in another topic. You didn\'t have to go all psycho on me. At the time I was playing those games I simply didn\'t care about textures or resolution.

Heh, a few things built up from elsewhere, and I let go of it on here. Anyhow, it\'s all fine and dandy, just don\'t go off calling people idiots. You seem to have a problem with calling people names, you should chill a bit.

- dm
- the trick is to keep breathing.

Atleast I don\'t sit in a cage all day.

All I can tell you is to wait until Spaceworld. If you\'re still not convinced about Nintendo after that, you have two other successful alternatives to choose from.

Just to clear a few things up:

1.) I know the PS2 launch was pathetic, and wasn\'t comparing the GC\'s to the PS2\'s

2.) The outer casing of the GameCube was the least of my reasons for worrying about it.

3.) When I said there are no adult games, I didn\'t mean there wouldn\'t ever be; I meant there aren\'t any being released particularly soon, which is true.

4.) I am no fanboy- I used to love Nintendo, but they are going in the wrong direction in my opinion. Look at the NES and SNES if you don\'t believe me.

5.) Those games Jumpman mentioned do actually have blurry/floggy/low-res(whatever you want to call it) graphics; I used to have an N64, so I\'m not lying.

6.) I based my opinions on the GameCubes launch being dissappointing on reports from various mags,  and videos. Why would multi-format mags such as Edge or GamesMaster lie?

7.) I understand I should wait, and the GameCube will get better, but so far, I am dissappointed, and Nintendo seem to be heading down a bad route with all the games I\'ve seen in developement(Note: Games such as TooHuman and Residemt Evil:Zero have had little gameplay footage, so those don\'t count). I hope they surprise us at Space World, because they really need to. Not one Nintendo game impressed me at E3. I hope they deliver. They were a great company.

1.) I know the PS2 launch was pathetic, and wasn\'t comparing the GC\'s to the PS2\'s

I know, I was. Just to show you that better games will come along latter.

2.) The outer casing of the GameCube was the least of my reasons for worrying about it.

Then don\'t complain about it.

3.) When I said there are no adult games, I didn\'t mean there wouldn\'t ever be; I meant there aren\'t any being released particularly soon, which is true.

It was true for the PS2 too. Just an irrelevant fact...

Oh yeah. RE:0 and Eternal Darkness are coming out before the end of the year. Those are two adult themed games. Eternal Darkness looks to be one of the best game released this year btw. But, there are a lot more good games that come out which adults can enjoy. Here\'s the release list.

http://cube.ign.com/releases.html

4.) I am no fanboy- I used to love Nintendo, but they are going in the wrong direction in my opinion. Look at the NES and SNES if you don\'t believe me.

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I thought they went a step backwards with N64, but the GameCube doesn\'t look like it will follow in N64\'s footsteps. Wait till SpaceWorld and if you don\'t like what you see then you can always stick with the other systems.

5.) Those games Jumpman mentioned do actually have blurry/floggy/low-res(whatever you want to call it) graphics; I used to have an N64, so I\'m not lying.

I thouroughly explained the fog issue, none of them had any major fog. 1 or two had blurry textures, but the rest looked great. Conker easily looked better than anything that came out last generation.

6.) I based my opinions on the GameCubes launch being dissappointing on reports from various mags, and videos. Why would multi-format mags such as Edge or GamesMaster lie?

Wait till Spaceworld. You\'ll see.

7.) I understand I should wait, and the GameCube will get better, but so far, I am dissappointed, and Nintendo seem to be heading down a bad route with all the games I\'ve seen in developement(Note: Games such as TooHuman and Residemt Evil:Zero have had little gameplay footage, so those don\'t count). I hope they surprise us at Space World, because they really need to. Not one Nintendo game impressed me at E3. I hope they deliver. They were a great company.

You can\'t expect a system to be perfect within the first few months of it\'s released. PS2 is only starting to pick up with the quality games now. GameCube looks like it may start a little faster but not by that much.

If you don\'t mind me(hehe, that "kill them all" ad just came up as I finished "me" and scared the **** out of me ) asking, then what is so disapointing about GameCube\'s games?

But again, I must say wait until SpaceWorld to see what kind of software quality Nintendo will really have. No one really knows the how good or bad the software is besides Nintendo themselves. Have a little patience and faith.

I have to comment on Too Human though. The game will be great. Have you ever seen the screens for this game when it was still scheduled for a PSX release? Click here for the full preview with screenshots. http://psx.ign.com/previews/11627.html

Just look how good it looked. And to think, Eternal Darkness is using a subset of the Too Human engine...