Backlash? How bad will it be? (xbox)

Canada\'s new motto?

"An XBox in every home!"

Originally posted by ps2gamer_59


hmmmm that seems off, the population ratio for US:Canada is way diferent than that figure, so how did they come up with that? is there more gamers per capita in canada?

Canada has about 30 million people in it while the  US has over 200 million(right?)

thats a ratio of 20:3, while the ratio for the sales is 5:3

somethings not right :rolleyes:

Oh yeah!  Bill Gates is sweetening the deal with the XBox, he promised every Canadian household that has an XBox will get a big tax refund.  

I think the ratio should be around 100,000 in Canada and the rest for the States. IMO.

Originally posted by Chrono
This place has turned into xboxcentral!

No, we\'re just not biased nor hateful against everything non-PS2. So what if MS makes a great console? You should be happy because that means more great games for the people. If they fail, well, then it\'s bad news for all of us.

Matrix quote:

Welcome... to the real world.

Clip, whats so weird about wanting to gawk and fantasize over voluptuous babes? :nut:

Ginko speaks the truth, although the last 8 replies have just been repeats of my posts earlier.

Panzer Dragoon 4 will be unstoppable.

and yes, the Sega games are exclusive until the developer says it isn\'t. The individual hardware teams have full control over their projects, and not Sega Corp. If Hitmaker doesn\'t like PS2 or GC, and likes X-Box, I am betting the games will stay. It isn\'t like Sega to care how a game sells. They are making a sequel to JGR, a game that sold 75 thousand copies.

Also, Chrono, the hardcore gaming, and the elite few who get to go to e3 are not the people who decide the fate of consoles. It is the masses who decide, and so far, all they know about X-Box is it is by Microsoft and it is powerful.


Eric Jacob

First off, this hype is very limited since the Xbox is not yet being advertised.  The true hype will begin when kiosks start popping up and in a situation like that gamer isn\'t being told what to expect but being allowed to test it out themselves.  Because of this, I doubt that there will be any serious backlash.

As for E3, I thought PS2 did the best but the graphics at the MS booth were better (but severely hampered by FPS issues).  I find it bizarre that E3 is so highly regarded as a way to judge a systems\' fate on a board connected to the PS2.

>"The true hype will begin when kiosks start popping up and in a situation like that gamer isn\'t being told what to expect but being allowed to test it out themselves. Because of this, I doubt that there will be any serious backlash."

.. hmm
I think your right

but that 500million can create alot of public hype and then backlash

Originally posted by Chrono
>"The true hype will begin when kiosks start popping up and in a situation like that gamer isn\'t being told what to expect but being allowed to test it out themselves. Because of this, I doubt that there will be any serious backlash."

.. hmm
I think your right

but that 500million can create alot of public hype and then backlash

That is all a matter of how they spending it.  If it is a balanced aproach then everything should be fine (Focusing on Halo, DOA3, Munch, Sega titles etc. and heavy distribution of kiosks [a kiosk in ever single Taco Bell ]).  However, if they go over board and start selling the system as the second coming and hype Lucas Art\'s ports and the lesser first-party games then they are in trouble.

Some things are as good as hyped, Chrono.

X-Box just may be the greatest gaming machine since the Saturn (or in many opinions, the SNES).

The X-Box will never amount to as much hype as PS2 had though, I don\'t even know how the Sony PR guys bribed so many news magazines and game editors to keep previewing the system publicly as the quality they were.

So far, I have not heard any outrageous claims from X-Box besides the 125mpps thing. and without shading, textures, etc, it is probably true. By this time with PS2 before the Japanese launch we had heard "Toy Story-like graphics" and "Will change the way games are made and played", etc.


Eric Jacob

Whoa! Let\'s lower the defense a little bit Chrono.

Jak and Dexter, and ICO look like damn fine games.  The PS2 will have good looking games.  I was just stating that the Xbox already has content that looks just as good if not better than any PS2 game.  

About the launch, hmmm, I\'m not sure exactly what\'s going to be out at launch.  Nightcaster, Amped, DOA3, Munch, Halo, etc. probably won\'t disappoint.  They all LOOK just as good, gameplay is just something we will have to wait and see for ourselves.  

E3, I don\'t even remember this year\'s dullfest.  It really didn\'t live up to my expectations.  Nintendo held too much back for Spaceworld, Sony showed good stuff for the most part (only 2 titles come to mind), Xbox didn\'t show much of anything.  

In fact, it\'s only been in the last few weeks I\'ve become really interested in Xbox.  I was thinking Gamecube all the way this year, but now I\'m waiting to see a bit more info from both companies before I make a move.

Originally posted by AlteredBeast
Also, Chrono, the hardcore gaming, and the elite few who get to go to e3 are not the people who decide the fate of consoles. It is the masses who decide, and so far, all they know about X-Box is it is by Microsoft and it is powerful.

I agree, but I just wonder. At the time of the X-Box\'s release mommy and daddy would be able to buy a PS2 (whose price will highly likely be dropped at least $50) with it\'s Playstation brand name and an already established library of titles, FFX, MGS2, the ability to play DVD movies out of the box, and the ability to play a massive library of very cheap PSOne titles.

Or they could take a look at a shiny new GC - made by the very reputable Nintendo - if you ever doubt the power of the Nintendo brand name just take a look at the way GBA units have been FLYING off the shelves in the US, Japan and Europe. That\'s a lot of brand name recognition, and when mommy, daddy and little tiny Tim go to EB to buy a console, that NINTENDO Gamecube will look pretty damn appealing - especially since it will be about $100 cheaper than the X-Box.

So what does MS bring to the table? Their brand name is much more associated with the Windows OS and Bill Gates, what killer apps for the masses does the game have? Does the average joe gamer really know what the hell Halo is? What about Project Gotham? Sure there will be Sega exclusives, but Sega exclusives weren\'t enough to keep Sega\'s very own console alive. Even though I\'m sure that the X-Box titles will look excellent (and better than many PS2 games), I don\'t think any title will be able to have the same \'wow\' effect that GT3 has had. Project Gotham (apparently) looks better, but from what I\'ve seen the jump isn\'t nearly enough to turn heads. The average joe isn\'t going to appreciate real time reflections, instead they\'ll ask why there aren\'t more licensed cars in Project Gotham. If you need proof of the power of graphics and licenses upon the mass market just check out the plethora of rediculous 10/10, 9.9/10 etc reviews of GT3.

I\'m not bashing the X-Box, I will take a stern look at both the GC and the \'Box, but the more time passes the more I feel that the X-Box will be a dead cert for third place in the console stakes.

Originally posted by Lavan

I agree, but I just wonder. At the time of the X-Box\'s release mommy and daddy would be able to buy a PS2 (whose price will highly likely be dropped at least $50) with it\'s Playstation brand name and an already established library of titles, FFX, MGS2, the ability to play DVD movies out of the box, and the ability to play a massive library of very cheap PSOne titles.
Or they could take a look at a shiny new GC - made by the very reputable Nintendo - if you ever doubt the power of the Nintendo brand name just take a look at the way GBA units have been FLYING off the shelves in the US, Japan and Europe. That\'s a lot of brand name recognition, and when mommy, daddy and little tiny Tim go to EB to buy a console, that NINTENDO Gamecube will look pretty damn appealing - especially since it will be about $100 cheaper than the X-Box.

Xbox is aiming for the 16-24 demographic, they are not worried about what little timmy\'s parents think.  Nintendo will have that younger audience hooked straight out the gate.

So what does MS bring to the table? Their brand name is much more associated with the Windows OS and Bill Gates, what killer apps for the masses does the game have? Does the average joe gamer really know what the hell Halo is? What about Project Gotham?

That\'s why there is a 500 million dollar marketing budget.  To let the average joe know what\'s up.
 

Sure there will be Sega exclusives, but Sega exclusives weren\'t enough to keep Sega\'s very own console alive. Even though I\'m sure that the X-Box titles will look excellent (and better than many PS2 games), I don\'t think any title will be able to have the same \'wow\' effect that GT3 has had. Project Gotham (apparently) looks better, but from what I\'ve seen the jump isn\'t nearly enough to turn heads. The average joe isn\'t going to appreciate real time reflections, instead they\'ll ask why there aren\'t more licensed cars in Project Gotham. If you need proof of the power of graphics and licenses upon the mass market just check out the plethora of rediculous 10/10, 9.9/10 etc reviews of GT3.

The original Gran Turismo was an instant classic.  Who\'s to say another game can\'t turn classic overnight on another system?

The Xbox has alot coming up.  It needs to make a very positive image on day one.  At launch it needs to meet the demand, have plenty of games on selection, lots of advertising, and a steady flow of triple A games after launch through out the rest of it\'s existence.  So far it looks to be falling into place.  

Launch or shortly after should have SSX:Tricky, New Legends, DOA3, Munch, Unreal Championship, Nightcaster, Amped, Halo, Madden, NFL2K2, NBA2K2, etc.  Then you have Jet Grind Radio Future, Malice, Artic Thunder, Panzer Dragoon 4, Silent Hill X, Metal Gear Solid X, Mortal Kombat 5, Onimusha Genma (i think that\'s right), Crazy Taxi Next, Crash, and whatever else it\'s 200 developers are making.

Anything else?

Originally posted by Ginko
Xbox is aiming for the 16-24 demographic, they are not worried about what little timmy\'s parents think.  Nintendo will have that younger audience hooked straight out the gate.

But you forget that a lot of that 16-24 year old demographic were weaned on Nintendo and will be taking a good long look at the mario, zelda, metroid and star wars franchises on the GC too. Don\'t forget that a lot of older gamers have been buying the GBA too, and they\'ll want to get their hands on Metroid and Rogue Squadron.

Originally posted by Ginko
That\'s why there is a 500 million dollar marketing budget.  To let the average joe know what\'s up.

They better start advertising soon or at least start generating some hype in the gaming press, since E3 it\'s all been about the GC, GBA and the PS2. MS spent millions on Windows:CE, just because a company spends millions on advertising will not make a system that mostly PC gamers want, sell to the masses.

Originally posted by Ginko
Launch or shortly after should have SSX:Tricky, New Legends, DOA3, Munch, Unreal Championship, Nightcaster, Amped, Halo, Madden, NFL2K2, NBA2K2, etc.  Then you have Jet Grind Radio Future, Malice, Artic Thunder, Panzer Dragoon 4, Silent Hill X, Metal Gear Solid X, Mortal Kombat 5, Onimusha Genma (i think that\'s right), Crazy Taxi Next, Crash, and whatever else it\'s 200 developers are making.

NFL2K2 and NBA2K2 will be on the cheaper PS2, as will SSX:Tricky. A few graphical enhancements will not make gamers dump their PS2s or sway potential buyers to pay extra for the X-Box version.  The original Jet Grind Radio, despite being an excellent game, didn\'t exactly light up the sales charts for a system that had been out for almost two years. Silent Hill X, MGSX - all these ports will come after the PS2 versions, if you already have a PS2 these titles aren\'t going to make you want an X-Box. If you don\'t have a PS2 why would you wait longer and pay more for an X-Box to play them, when you could just get a PS2?

Everyone says that Microsoft will have EA titles and Sega titles. So will everyone else. Microsoft has THPS, but so does everyone else. Gamers will see THPSX which will be the same as THPS2 on the DC but with better graphics, and then they\'ll see THPS3 on the PS2. Which one would you want to play?

you make alot of good points Lavan, but you forget how well ports from DC to PS2 did.

DOA2, Crazy Taxi, Resident Evil: CVX (Japan so far, it will be big here too), probably a few others.

People WILL pay money to buy a product that looks a little better cause Americans love wasting money.

I agree with your Gotham/GT3 thing, though. There have been very wacky reviews of it, merely based on graphics and amount of liscensed cars. When Project Gotham comes out, it won\'t be as big as a jump from Test Drive: Le Mans to GT3, it will be GT3 to PG, which only looks marginaly better and right now, I don\'t see a lengthy list of cars for it, either.


Eric Jacob

GT3 is actually a case of N64-monia...

I am an owner of a PS2....

Being indulged with so much crap for the past two years, everyone of my friends and I rushed to the store and grabbed GT3 right when it launched.  It wasn\'t the "killer app" that we wanted because we have played its prior sequels to death and are kind of bored of the series, but it was the first real PS2 gem in a long time.  I mean a long time!  Of course we had to pick it up.

You are right....

The Xbox might recieve a back-lash but probably in Japan.  I have no idea how the system is going to fare overseas and it is killing me.  I don\'t want to buy a system that only supports one market.  Diversity is a blessing and Japanese softwares are some of the best.  It would be a shame if the system don\'t succeed over there and we won\'t see any foreign softwares.