Stem Cell Research

Here\'s how I justify the BP value of these:
>Defend Plus: Guarantees immune system health. (2)
The gene for this should be fairly easy to find. However. it could cause hospitals to lose money.
>Power Plus: Improves muscle strength and endurance. (3)
This gene should be fairly easy to find, but it might have some risks associated with it.
>Happy Heart: Reduces chance of heart disease. (1)
The gene for this has already been found.
>Peekaboo: Reduces chance of eye problems. (3)
No comment.
>Chill Out: Prevents anxiety and stress-related problems. (5)
Any gene that enhances the brain will be difficult to find, and could have risks associated with it.
>Deep Focus: Improves concentration. (5)
See above.
>Close Call: Speeds recovery from surgery and trauma. (4)
This gene will be hard to find. It could cause hospitals to lose money.
Oh, and one more:
First Attack: Improves muscle coordination. (3)

Yes, I know this is really crazy, but I don\'t know what else to say...

Originally posted by OneGig
Here\'s how I justify the BP value of these:
>Defend Plus: Guarantees immune system health. (2)
The gene for this should be fairly easy to find. However. it could cause hospitals to lose money.
>Power Plus: Improves muscle strength and endurance. (3)
This gene should be fairly easy to find, but it might have some risks associated with it.
>Happy Heart: Reduces chance of heart disease. (1)
The gene for this has already been found.
>Peekaboo: Reduces chance of eye problems. (3)
No comment.
>Chill Out: Prevents anxiety and stress-related problems. (5)
Any gene that enhances the brain will be difficult to find, and could have risks associated with it.
>Deep Focus: Improves concentration. (5)
See above.
>Close Call: Speeds recovery from surgery and trauma. (4)
This gene will be hard to find. It could cause hospitals to lose money.
Oh, and one more:
First Attack: Improves muscle coordination. (3)

Yes, I know this is really crazy, but I don\'t know what else to say...

wow, you got a different twist on life.

My motto is:
Survive no matter what. Learn and adapt or be a dead-end in the evolutionary game.

Humans have the ability to truly manipulate their well-being, they never had such opportunity before. I can picture people one thousand years from today, laughing at us, i mean when i think about "Death" in general, it makes me laugh. :rolleyes: I think people should do everything in their power to prolong and better their health/life. Maybe it is the hidden scientist in me, but hey, I would rather live 2000 years then live 65 years frail.

Why would you bury your blood? Blood isn\'t a human life. You people argue an embryo is only a clump of cells but isnt that just what we are a big clump of specialized cells.

It\'s a shame that human life has been diminished to the point that we now have partial birth abortions.

It seems anything goes when it comes to the life of the unborn. We hear the word choice thrown around by the left,  and the N.O.W. gals,  but where is the choice for the unborn child?

Weltall,
Why don\'t we say that a mother has the right to "choose" in the delivery room whether or not she wants the baby?  The doctor can show the mother the baby and if the baby has brown eyes instead of blue the doctor can trash it.

Also, when did having morals become a bad thing?

Ace

Weltall,
Why don\'t we say that a mother has the right to "choose" in the delivery room whether or not she wants the baby? The doctor can show the mother the baby and if the baby has brown eyes instead of blue the doctor can trash it.

Also, when did having morals become a bad thing?

You didn\'t read what I said. I made my views on abortion very plain, and partial birth abortions are murder, IMO. At that stage, the baby is taking it\'s first breaths. The nervous system and sensory functions are all working now, and it can feel pain. I do not like the idea of abortions after the second trimester, except when AND ONLY WHEN the mother\'s life is in danger, because the mother is a living breathing human, and is therefore more important to save than her unborn child. Before the third trimester, in cases of rape, a mother should have the choice whether to abort it.

As for morals, morals change. They have always changed and they will forever change. Once, in vitro fertilization was unnatural and immoral, today it is accepted by most people.

"If man were meant to fly he\'d have been born with wings."
That was once morality. Morals evolve with progress. End of story.

lets not turn this into a debate on abortion issues alright

It should be up to the parent(s) not the gay government or the church. Cause the government doesnt care about people and the church doesnt except anything. The church or government shouldnt decide who lives and who dies.

Actually... this world is ****ed either way...

1 - We accept stem cell research and we kill a few embryos and save lives
     Adv. Save people who have deadly diseases
     Dis. Killing of embryos

2 - We decline stem cell research and save embryos
     Adv. Embryos are saved
     Dis. People who hve diseases die

3 - If we accept it or dont except it, either way, there is still people living which will eventually cause over population so it doesnt matter either way, in the long run this world is di*ked over to destroy itself with its own people. We are a horrible species who dont care about anything but ourselves and people close to us. There are very few people in the world who care about things like the environment and polution and things like that.

Anyone who supports abortion is wrong, either way, you wouldn\'t be here if your parents descided to abort you, to support it is wrong. These are lives people, we are trying to save them. Those people aren\'t going to DIE without stem cell research, they will still live on, and lives would be saved. I personally say they should get this all figured out on Cow Embryos and then go to humans, heck, they don\'t even know how to grow the body parts yet. Learn it all, then transfer the knowledge.

Originally posted by JediMaster
Anyone who supports abortion is wrong, either way, you wouldn\'t be here if your parents descided to abort you, to support it is wrong.  

I said DO NOT TURN THIS INTO A DEBATE ABOUT ABORTION ISSUES

mainly because alot of people have different views on the subject,

SO keep your self righteseous opinions on this subject tucked away deep inside of you

[Evi]

Originally posted by ddaryl



I said DO NOT TURN THIS INTO A DEBATE ABOUT ABORTION ISSUES

mainly because alot of people have different views on the subject,

SO keep your self righteseous opinions on this subject tucked away deep inside of you

The reason that people brought up abortion is because this stem-cell thing and abortion are very similar. Man, this is a very complicated issue. And comparing youor blood cell, which you have quadrillions of, to a human fertilized egg isn\'t right. They are both cells, but it\'s like apples and oranges are both fruit, but they aren\'t the same. Your blood cell doesn\'t have the potential of becoming a living, human being. To take that potential away is just wrong.

Here\'s how the stem-cell thing works:

1. EMBRYO - An egg is fertilized or cloned to form an embryo. The embryo begins to divide
2. 1 TO 5 DAYS - The embryo dividesagain and again and takes the shape as a sphere called a blastocyst
3. 5 TO 7 DAYS - By this time embryonic stem cells are visible and are capable of developing into any tissue in the body
4. STEM LINE - The cells are removed and grown in a Petri dish. As they divide, they create a line of stem cells
5. TISSUE PRODUCTION - Using various recipes (sorry, that\'s the word they used) of nutrients and other factors, scientists hope to turn stem cells into any of the body\' more than 200 tissues, such as:

--> Pancreatic islet cells - Could provide a cure for diabetes

--> Muscle cells - Could repair or replace a damaged heart

--> Nerve cells - Could be used to treat Alzheimer\'s and Parkinson\'s disease and repair spinal cord injuries

That\'s what I found out about this whole mess. I still don\'t like it...

Sorry for that crazy analogy with Paper Mario Badges.

Originally posted by EviscerationX
What I mean is, you can put the DNA of human heart tissue and put it into a cow egg and it\'ll still come out as human heart tissue.

Utter BS. The \'DNA of human heart tissue\'? Newsflash, DNA in all the cells of your body is the same. If you scientists could use cow eggs to do what you\'re saying, why wouldn\'t they? Cow eggs would be cheap to use, and no one would complain - or do you think these scientists are just evil and deliberately want embryonic stem cells out of spite.

I know this is a very sensitive issue with people, but stem cell research has incredible potential. What pisses me off though is when politicians sensationalize both the bad AND the good about stem cell research - and this filters down to the general public, most of whom aren\'t aware of the full facts or even the basics of genetics. I find it rediculous when stem cell research is compared to the actions of Mengele, and I find it equally rediculous when it\'s supporters say that it will provide cures for many diseases in only two or three years - it will take a lot longer than that.

Anyway, a couple of people mentioned cloning embryonic stem cells, and someone (I think) said that it\'s horrific to think of cloning babies for research purposes. Again, this is political spin doctoring - as EviscerationX\'s last post mentioned, cells are taken from the fertilized blastocyst after 7 days. What people have a problem with is whether or not that constitutes \'killing\' a human life and whether or not this blastocyst has a soul - sorry ddaryl, if this is overlapping into abortion - anyway, I\'m not here to tell you what\'s wrong or right with regards to that issue, that\'s to do with your personal beliefs, but I just wanted to post a picture of what a blastocyst (what is considered by some a human life) looks like after 7 days:



There is no spinal cord, no brain, and no organs present at this stage of development.

I hope the link works, if not I\'ll find another picture or I\'ll scan one from one of the texts I have.

It is still Human.

Originally posted by Lavan


Utter BS. The \'DNA of human heart tissue\'? Newsflash, DNA in all the cells of your body is the same. If you scientists could use cow eggs to do what you\'re saying, why wouldn\'t they? Cow eggs would be cheap to use, and no one would complain - or do you think these scientists are just evil and deliberately want embryonic stem cells out of spite.

I know this is a very sensitive issue with people, but stem cell research has incredible potential. What pisses me off though is when politicians sensationalize both the bad AND the good about stem cell research - and this filters down to the general public, most of whom aren\'t aware of the full facts or even the basics of genetics. I find it rediculous when stem cell research is compared to the actions of Mengele, and I find it equally rediculous when it\'s supporters say that it will provide cures for many diseases in only two or three years - it will take a lot longer than that.

Anyway, a couple of people mentioned cloning embryonic stem cells, and someone (I think) said that it\'s horrific to think of cloning babies for research purposes. Again, this is political spin doctoring - as EviscerationX\'s last post mentioned, cells are taken from the fertilized blastocyst after 7 days. What people have a problem with is whether or not that constitutes \'killing\' a human life and whether or not this blastocyst has a soul - sorry ddaryl, if this is overlapping into abortion - anyway, I\'m not here to tell you what\'s wrong or right with regards to that issue, that\'s to do with your personal beliefs, but I just wanted to post a picture of what a blastocyst (what is considered by some a human life) looks like after 7 days:



There is no spinal cord, no brain, and no organs present at this stage of development.

I hope the link works, if not I\'ll find another picture or I\'ll scan one from one of the texts I have.

Thanks for the pic, as all of you can see, that is not a human being, bunch of biological material which is dividing...

If using stem cells means curing disease then i\'m all for it !!!

Lavan posted a good pic. As you can see that isnt a human being at all. Just the early stages of one.

Either way, though, sumthing is dying, either a couple fo cells wich will eventually urn into a human being or sumone who has a disease...