Stem Cell Research

Originally posted by FackinKubuss
Either way, though, sumthing is dying, either a couple fo cells wich will eventually urn into a human being or sumone who has a disease...

Exactly, which is why this is such a difficult subject to discuss because everyone has their own views on the subject and these a ground-in views that are very difficult to change. Personally, I feel that the existence of a central nervous system (and therefore a brain) would indicate \'human life\', and therefore I support stem cell cloning and research since at the particular stage of development that stem cells are harvested a non-specialized blastocyst exists.

However, I do realize that those cells have the potential to become a human being and therefore I completely understand how people can have the opposite view and regard stem cell research as bad.

There are so many benefits that will come from stem cell research.  Thats why so many people are fighting for it..

Almost every scientific advancement has been met with opostion.  Even somtimes violent opostion.  But we are all reaping the benefits today.  

If you have a personal issue with this type of research, then 10 years from now refuse any treatment that came from this type of research..

I love how a lot of people are so self righteous when it comes to stuff like this.

Really, I understand that we need to keep in check scientific research and morality.  Thats why we are having this debate.  But the advancement of science is a necesity to the longevity of the human race..  

And by studying cells in their forming state is necisary.  The data that can be collected will save more lives then ones that never even formed yet..    

If everyone is so pro life, then stop eating meat, stop cutting down trees, what give the human race the right to dictate what animal lives and which one does not..???  Why does a cow not have the same right to life as a human.??  Is not a bug one of gods creatures, then why do we have bug spray??  Answer me these questions and maybe I will change my mind on stem cell research..

This research is going to give us such an insight that it would be a violation to every humans right that are alive if we did not research it...  And we are going to, its only a matter of time

Sorry kirath,

I don\'t equate my cheesbuger or Christmas tree with a human being.

Plus, it seems that these researchers are selling this in a big way so they can get government funding.

Ace

Well Kirath even though a cow and a bug are one of "God\'s creatures" they were put on the earth for a different reason than us. Cows are here to feed us and bugs do whatever bugs do which i have no idea what that is but being humans we have Gog given controll over them and will use as much bugspray as we damn well please. And not taking the treatment if it is available is not gonna save all the lives lost in the reasearch. Also when someone is prolife that doesn\'t mean they\'re vegetarians it is talking about human life.

Originally posted by Tetrad
Well Kirath even though a cow and a bug are one of "God\'s creatures" they were put on the earth for a different reason than us. Cows are here to feed us and bugs do whatever bugs do which i have no idea what that is but being humans we have Gog given controll over them and will use as much bugspray as we damn well please. And not taking the treatment if it is available is not gonna save all the lives lost in the reasearch. Also when someone is prolife that doesn\'t mean they\'re vegetarians it is talking about human life.

The only thing lost in research is the opportunity to do more
If god did not want us to play with biology he wouldn\'t have made us any wiser then goats and sheep.
Baaaaa look there goes a sheeple.
Humans should use their knowledge, not hide behind doctrine of one religion or the other. IMO.

Your soul shapes the lives you dream… :alien:

Originally posted by Ace
Sorry kirath,

I don\'t equate my cheesbuger or Christmas tree with a human being.

Plus, it seems that these researchers are selling this in a big way so they can get government funding.

Ace

LOL Yes they are, because if they don\'t have government funding, they don\'t get to do research and there are no cures. Do you think they want government funding so they can take the money and go on holiday?

I find it funny that we have a pill to give you hard on and hair growth treatment but when we have a chance to treat crippling and even terminal diseases everyone flinches. Billions of dollars are allocated to weapons and the army, thousands of children die a day from malnutrition in the third world and no one does anything. But when it comes to stem cell research everyone suddenly grows a concience - \'ooo protect human life\', well what about the starving in the world?

This research is going to happen somewhere in the world NO MATTER WHAT, but it would be worse if some private conglomerate in [insert third world country not too big on democracy nor human rights] creates a cure to Alzheimers and Parkinsons, then patents it and then charges rediculous amounts for treatment across the board. If the governments fund the research at least cures to these diseases won\'t become solely an economic commodity.

Originally posted by Lavan


thousands of children die a day from malnutrition in the third world and no one does anything. But when it comes to stem cell research everyone suddenly grows a concience - \'ooo protect human life\', well what about the starving in the world?

Hey Lavan you are right on the money.

Human beings have a tendency to forget what they do not see or hear. They see a sack of microscopic cells without a soul/conscious, and they go ape-sh!t over it, while young kids starve to death, or die of Aids because they can\'t afford the nice "expensive" drugs.

Ignorance is a weapon best served without thought.

Please don\'t tell me that I just now have a conscience. You don\'t know who I am.  

I do not feel that my tax dollars should go to fund something that I find immoral.

Let me ask this to those of you out there who feel that we should do what ever we need to do to cure diseases.

Where do you draw the line?

At what point do we say the life of one is more important than the other?

Ace

P.S.
Although this is a tough topic, I do respect your opinions.

Originally posted by Ace
Let me ask this to those of you out there who feel that we should do what ever we need to do to cure diseases.

Where do you draw the line?

At what point do we say the life of one is more important than the other?

Ace

P.S.
Although this is a tough topic, I do respect your opinions.

Ace,
We should draw the line when it means that people want to clone themselves for parts, i have no problem with cloning just a hand, leg, eye, ear, etc... but not the brain...with a central nervous system. Everything else goes.

Originally posted by Tetrad
Well Kirath even though a cow and a bug are one of "God\'s creatures" they were put on the earth for a different reason than us. Cows are here to feed us and bugs do whatever bugs do which i have no idea what that is but being humans we have Gog given controll over them and will use as much bugspray as we damn well please. And not taking the treatment if it is available is not gonna save all the lives lost in the reasearch. Also when someone is prolife that doesn\'t mean they\'re vegetarians it is talking about human life.

Thanks, exactly my point..  If god gave us the skills and the ability to create bug spray and the power to dictate their lives then we should do STEM CELL research..  Because god gave us the ability to resarch it and the intelligence to understand the benefits of it..

Im glad we are on the same page.

I said he gave us power over other animals such as cattle, I did not say we should destroy human life for our benefit. Human life is much more precious than a simple bug. Just cause we have the ability to do something doesn\'t mean we should. Hitler had the power to kill off the Jews that didn\'t make it right.

Originally posted by Tetrad
I said he gave us power over other animals such as cattle, I did not say we should destroy human life for our benefit. Human life is much more precious than a simple bug. Just cause we have the ability to do something doesn\'t mean we should. Hitler had the power to kill off the Jews that didn\'t make it right.

Yeah, humans shouldn\'t do everything that pops into their heads, i mean Joseph Stalin starved at least 10 million people to death in 1928, now that was wrong.

I would give the scientist that cures Cancer/Aids with stem cells a nobel prize, not a grim place in history.

[Evi]

Let me ask this to those of you out there who feel that we should do what ever we need to do to cure diseases.

Where do you draw the line?

At what point do we say the life of one is more important than the other?

Exactly. This topic is very scary. What if an egg that has the potential to become human was instead turned into a friggin\' hand or muscle tissue for somebody who lost a body part in a car accident. Body part, or living human being? Who\'s side are you on?

Well Toxical we clearly have different views. I do not put an age on human life. Even if it is only an embryo I still feel it has the right to have a chance at life. You feel free to believe what ever you want. I still, however, feel that you are wrong.