Tekken 4 Dead Before Birth. (long read)

I for one am glad they got rid of the backdash stuff.  It got really annoying, especially at the end of matches when both characters were almost dead and they were just trying to fake each other out (both players would backdash, run in, backdash, etc.)  Yes, this causes new problems, but I am glad the game is more aggressive.

I have also heard that the 1,2 can be sidestepped, but not against a wall.  That is why Paul owns the fight club stage.  It is extremely small and extremely Paul-friendly.

If my state ever does get Tekken 4, the first character I will use it Yoshimitsu.  He is so cool now.  His sword flash is better than I could have imagined, and can steal whole strings instead of just single moves (like Steve\'s 1,2,1,2 and Kaz\'s 2 Hellsweeps).  It can even steal Ling\'s taunt (I really want to see Yoshi do this. LOL).  His moves link into other moves a lot more now.  Like his indian stance now can link to a forward dive (3, 3+4), and an unblockable falling sword move (LP I think), as well as all of the other links.  His ss+4 can link into a BK (back turned) position, which can lead into a BK 2, BK throw, BK uf+4, db+2, suicide, etc.  The suicide doesn\'t hurt you if you hit the apponent too at a close range, but it hurts just as much if you miss.  He also has a new BK 4, which is a backflip that juggles.  

Craig was going to be my first character, and he still sounds cool, but I really want to try out the new Yoshi more.  I wonder how long it will be before people find some 100% combos with Yoshi and his stolen moves.

Originally posted by IronFist
I for one am glad they got rid of the backdash stuff.  It got really annoying, especially at the end of matches when both characters were almost dead and they were just trying to fake each other out (both players would backdash, run in, backdash, etc.)  Yes, this causes new problems, but I am glad the game is more aggressive.

I have also heard that the 1,2 can be sidestepped, but not against a wall.  That is why Paul owns the fight club stage.  It is extremely small and extremely Paul-friendly.

If my state ever does get Tekken 4, the first character I will use it Yoshimitsu.  He is so cool now.  His sword flash is better than I could have imagined, and can steal whole strings instead of just single moves (like Steve\'s 1,2,1,2 and Kaz\'s 2 Hellsweeps).  It can even steal Ling\'s taunt (I really want to see Yoshi do this. LOL).  His moves link into other moves a lot more now.  Like his indian stance now can link to a forward dive (3, 3+4), and an unblockable falling sword move (LP I think), as well as all of the other links.  His ss+4 can link into a BK (back turned) position, which can lead into a BK 2, BK throw, BK uf+4, db+2, suicide, etc.  The suicide doesn\'t hurt you if you hit the apponent too at a close range, but it hurts just as much if you miss.  He also has a new BK 4, which is a backflip that juggles.  

Craig was going to be my first character, and he still sounds cool, but I really want to try out the new Yoshi more.  I wonder how long it will be before people find some 100% combos with Yoshi and his stolen moves.

i have also heard of some other ways to stop 1,2
1 duck then do ws+2 with paul
2 block then do pauls shoulder check i believe it is d+1+2

when i say skilled movement i do not mean people that just back dash all day.

[Bobs_Hardware]

bah, when i finally haul my ass down to melbourne Soolly, your gonna eat your words...litterally....well, ok, not literally, but....im gonna tekken tag up your ass (not literally)

as for YOU IronFist...all i can do it laugh....well, if it werent for this throat infection...

Originally posted by littleogre

i have also heard of some other ways to stop 1,2
1 duck then do ws+2 with paul
2 block then do pauls shoulder check i believe it is d+1+2

Yeah, but notice how both of those other ways are done with Paul.  I was on IRC again, and the 1,2 punches are not as bad as the Koreans, and a lot of the Americans said they were.  At first, it is hard to play against, but then you find ways to get around it.  More about this below.

when i say skilled movement i do not mean people that just back dash all day. [/B]

Yeah, but you don\'t always play against skilled players.  Most of the Tekken players out there are not skilled at Tekken, and they are the ones who do just backdash all day.  A lot of the time it was just annoying trying to finish someone off when they kept on turtling.

Posted by Bob:
as for YOU IronFist...all i can do it laugh....well, if it werent for this throat infection...

Laugh?  I said you won.  You are the champion.  Get well soon Bob, both your throat and your broken body.  Really though bob, I hope your throat starts to feel better soon.


Like I said before, I was on IRC tonight and I found out that the characters are pretty well balanced.  Here are some interesting things that were said:

who counters paul?
law, steve, craig, yoshi maybe
are a lot of T3/TTT strategies used in T4 or should i just throw away that mentality?
throw away that mentality
REALLy?!
wow
yes
that\'s why koreans don\'t like it
totaly different game
they use TTT strategies
T4 is very unpredictable
jae: ss forward dash is SO ****ING GOOD IN TEKKEN4
WHUT? really?
now way
i mean good as in way better than ss back dash
and more distance covered

The 2 way run is extremely good (i.e, up/back).  Instead of doing the old ss, bb, ss, bb, just do the 2 way run.  It covers the same amount of area, and is a lot easier.

so 1,2\'s are not the all mighty everyone says right?
nope
initially, they\'re annoying
and abusable
but there are many ways around it
you just need to watch out
but 2 way run is the cure for it

Yoshi Stuff:

drumdude... who is the character that seems to have the most potential right now?
everyone really
characters seem really balanced
cept like tragic was saying earlier...yoshi is lower tier right now
but not by much
yoshi... nooooooo
does Yoshi even have a d+1 anymore?
i was thinking he would be awesome
bronz: gotta use d/b+1
i couldnt seem to get it today
to do his old poke
d+1 is sword slash
it got switched
oh!
how many times does yoshi have the stored moves
that explains alot
until you use it
once you use it, stolen move is gone
so just one time though
he can steal ling\'s taunts
weird
haha
funny seeing yoshi wave to ling
how obut sways?!
he can\'t steal sways
DAMN
hehe
he can steal attacks from sways though
like sometimes he\'ll do a sway, into one of steve\'s moves automatically
same with hwoarang
if from flamingo bob does b+3+4, and yoshi steals it...
yoshi will go into flamingo then do b+3+4
SWEET
but yoshi can steal the entire flamingo stance as well
thats gonna be sooo weird
so he can go into flamingo and do b+4 if he does f+3 flamingo
and start juggling
OMG
prolly other moves from flamingo as well
yoshi gets better the more varied his opponent his
he adapts
can Hwoarang wavedash?
dood.. i can see that abuse..its still as fast right.. its like the fastest move in the game right?
yeah
yoshi flash is fast, has great range, and can steal moves without touching them
he can steal from a distance in case you didn\'t know
so if ling is in AoP far away
he flashes
WHUT
then he has it, can do AoP
that seems evil
NO WAY
but when he does AoP, he only spits. can\'t do any other moves
so the flash doesnt have to connect?
he does a low spit
whichi is unblockable
rob: nope
Is there any way to "throw out" a stolen move instead of using it?
what do you mean
If you don\'t want to use a move, can you just get rid of it?
oh
i see what you mean
um, no i don\'t think there is
nope
oh.
Can you steal a different move when you already have a move stolen?
no
wait a minute.. so if yoshi predicts the oppoenent is going to do lets say kaz ewgf from across the screen all he has to do is do the flash and he has it?
rob: yeah
DANG
yoshi IS cool
he has the glide across the floor as well
he glides during meditation
in any direction
And he regains life while moving?
hold d+3+4, then move joystick to desired playes
sumas: no
oh
since he\'s in the hold still meditation
but you can position yourself away far enough to get in a few whack offs, hehe
like say, after knocing someone down
go into the still meditation, glide away
then jerk off a bit
hehe
So it\'s really fast?
i wouldn\'t say REALLY fast
But fast enough.
just fast enough do be cool looking and useful under certain conditions

I have regained all lost confidence in this game.  Now if only an arcade around me would get it!

Tekken, Doa, and soul calibur are all fighters with shinny graphics that take no skills to play and are nothing but simple button smashers. I am glad this happen to namco, because tekken has been crap..they keep the same concept and thought they did not have to find anything new in the game. I am glad I am and big capcom fan.

QuDDus, I can\'t tell if you are being sarcastic or not, so I will just assume that you are not.  It\'s time to pick this apart piece by piece.

Originally posted by QuDDus
Tekken, Doa, and soul calibur are all fighters with shinny graphics that take no skills to play and are nothing but simple button smashers.

You couldn\'t be more wrong on that one.  All three of those games take a great deal of skill and practice to master (yes, even DOA )  Tekken has unlimited possibilities with style, and with air juggles.  SC is probably the deepest fighter out of those three.  It takes a ton of skill to master that game.  While button smashers can do a lot, a skilled player can whale on any button smasher.

 I am glad this happen to namco,

You did read my last post about how the problems are not that big of deal, right?

because tekken has been crap..they keep the same concept and thought they did not have to find anything new in the game.

Nothing has happened to Namco except a few lost fans in Korea and Japan because Tekken 4 is so different than any other Tekken.  That is where all these rumors about cheap punches and crap started.  The top Koreans don\'t want to throw out everything they have learned and start over again from scratch.  They just can\'t let go of the old style of Tekken.

I am glad I am and big capcom fan.

This is why I thought you could have been being sarcastic.  So you are saying Capcom games (I\'m assuming Street Fighter games) have evolved more than Tekken has?  I am a huge Street Fighter fan, but if anything, Street Fighter is the game that hasn\'t really evolved.  Sure, they add new guys, super bars for super moves, but everything else is the same it has been for 10 years.  Tekken has evolved a ton in parts 1,2, and 3, and then it completely changed in part 4.

IronFist:
Tekken4 has changed a lot conpared to the other Tekkens but IMO the fact that Paul is even cheaper than he used to be, the fact that the game is very very fast and the fact that you can perform powerfull moves easily make me think twice about it.

examples:
PAUL EVEN CHEAPER:I just dont want to see Paul do 2 or 3 moves and leave me with 5%-10% of my bar.And usually many of Paul\'s moves send the opponent far that either could end with a run or either hit a wall and face extra damage.I can imagine him smashing an opponnent in a corner with his cheaper moves

EASE AT PERFORMING POWERFULL MOVES:Judging from Eddie Gordo\'s handling Christie can perform many tantalizing moves by just smashing the buttons and it might be very difficult to figure out when its a high or low hit to block.

SPEED:Especially hard if moves are blindingly fast.You wouldnt be able to act/react fast enough IMO.

PS:I might not be able to read your reply because I ll be returning to the army soon and God knows when I ll be out again.

Originally posted by Unicron!

PS:I might not be able to read your reply because I ll be returning to the army soon and God knows when I ll be out again.

Wow, How long have you been in the army?

Good luck;)

Originally posted by GAMES


Wow, How long have you been in the army?

Good luck;)

Thanks.

I ve been in the army for around 2 months.24 months left from which I ll spent 4 months training in Crete.

But I ll return back as an officer:) :cool:

Originally posted by Unicron!


Thanks.

I ve been in the army for around 2 months.24 months left from which I ll spent 4 months training in Crete.

Sound cool,but the little sad face means that your not happy about it.Are you being forced to do it by your parents or somthing?

I probably shouldn\'t be asking you so much question because you have to go soon

Originally posted by GAMES


Sound cool,but the little sad face means that your not happy about it.Are you being forced to do it by your parents or somthing?

I probably shouldn\'t be asking you so much question because you have to go soon

No prob.Ask freely.

I am not forced to go to Crete for training by anyone.But I ll  have to leave many things I am used to behind(like friends relatives and hobbies).4 months of hard training and in many occasions isolation in camp.
Unfortunately the army can not be avoided where I live.Usually normal soldiers get 2 exits a week.
So I choosed to go to Crete so when I return back as an officer I ll only have to stay in camp till noon leaving me lots of time to spend more creatively(and help recruits too:)).

I am not as sad as I look.But I am not used to the fact.Dont worry I ll be happier than other soldiers when I return.

Oops accidentally quoted myself.

I was thinking of joining the Army,  I don\'t think I\'m ready though

:shy:


I\'m going to finish school first:)

Originally posted by IronFist

Yeah, but you don\'t always play against skilled players.  Most of the Tekken players out there are not skilled at Tekken, and they are the ones who do just backdash all day.  A lot of the time it was just annoying trying to finish someone off when they kept on turtling.


Laugh?  I said you won.  You are the champion.  Get well soon Bob, both your throat and your broken body.  Really though bob, I hope your throat starts to feel better soon.


Like I said before, I was on IRC tonight and I found out that the characters are pretty well balanced.  Here are some interesting things that were said:


The 2 way run is extremely good (i.e, up/back).  Instead of doing the old ss, bb, ss, bb, just do the 2 way run.  It covers the same amount of area, and is a lot easier.



Yoshi Stuff:


I have regained all lost confidence in this game.  Now if only an arcade around me would get it!

why the heck did my message not show up in the above quote of ironfist? i wrote that i agree about back dash abusers being anoying