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« on: August 25, 2001, 10:12:11 PM »
We all remember when Nintendo said they would aim to the more adult market but with recent SpaceWorld developments like Zelda\'s new design and titles like "Mario: Sunshine", it is obvious Nintendo is content with the aiming towards the younger audience . When they aim towards the younger audience they are also aiming to the family consumer. The one who buys a system and plays it with their kids and so on. Infact, I was watching a rather lame show known as "Dr.Laura" one night that deals with family "issues" and Nintendo was mentioned. Why? Someone called in asking about videogames and Dr.Laura pointed out that Nintendo was a "family entertainment company" where as Sony\'s Playstation had more mature titles not suited for the family or younger children. It is obvious they will maintain this grip on the younger auidence and family market.

 Sony has yet to target the audience Nintendo is. . Microsoft doesn\'t look to be going after it. Nintendo has a strong grip and no worries with this audience. There is no one for Nintendo to compete against which gurantee\'s them mass sales.  As the gaming industry gets larger and larger and games become more mainstream the younger / family audience will only continue to grow which just equals more sales for Nintendo. Last year, you could turn the pages of EGM or any other magazine and you would find Pokemon or some other Nintendo game in the top ten.  Nintendo\'s so-called "kiddie" games dominated sales and gamer\'s time.

Then there is the fact that Nintendo is the last company of the \'golden days\'. This means they have their own \'hardcore\' fanbase that will continue to support Nintendo through everything, including Zelda\'s cel-shading. Yes, some of them are upset by Nintendo\'s recent changes like Metriod being a FPS or Zelda\'s new graphical style, but they will still give in eventually and buy the games. Nintendo knows this. These franchises even through out all the changes spark curious minds who just have to find out if it lives up to the previous games that provided them with hours of enjoyment.

Should they change? No! Why would they? They have exactly what they need. Their own demographic audience and plenty of \'hardcore\' fans with plenty of franchises to sell. You don\'t have to support Nintendo and you can call it a "GayCube" but in the end, Nintendo will remain a huge company with massive amounts of money and no sign of slowing down. Nintendo has the perfect business plan and while not everyone supports it, more than enough do, which in the end, is all that matters.

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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2001, 10:40:24 PM »
THE FLAWED THING I SEE IN THIS IS that. Why can\'t nintendo make teen adult games. I mean for every 2 or 3 mario\' and luigi\'s  games I would like to see nintendo make a mature game. Something like a RE, Silent hill combination. I don\'t see how nintendo\'s image would be tainted if  they slipped in some mature titles to go with all there more younger associated titles.
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« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2001, 10:59:18 PM »
Probably because the younger audience is a large part of the market (50%) and the PS2 and Xbox pretty much ignore them, its untapped, I personally think Nintendo is smart to do this, they also have a lot of the gamers that played the NES and SNES  that still remain loyal to them (like me) basically because their games have a lot of depth, good storylines and are fun to play, kiddie or not their games are always great  sellers and im sure not just the "kiddie" audience are buying them.

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« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2001, 11:19:39 PM »
Nintendo, as a company, is a stinking genius.  Think of it this way, when you were a young kid, how many of you really saved all your pennies and bought a gaming console yourself?  I sure as hell didn\'t.  My SNES, NES, and Coleco Vision were all bought by my parents.  I know that when they went to the store to get them, they went with the most family oriented titles as well.  However, they did cave in when I asked for specific games over lengthy periods of time with the biggest example being Street Fighter which retailed for a good 65 dollars when it came out.

When someone asks me what system they should buy for their kids, the first thing I ask them is how old they are.  For example, my uncle has two daughters with a third child (sex has yet to be determined) on the way.  Their ages are 5 and 7.  My response to his question as soon as he asked, although he is most familiar with the Sony brand name when it comes to consoles, was to buy a GameCube for them.  I told them that a Sony and Microsoft system was not for them and that a Dreamcast would be nice as a super-cheap way to start them in on videogames.

The following question he asked was "why?"  Simple.

Price.  With a house payment, 3 kids, and car payments, my uncle needs a cheap solution for his kids.  With a 199 price point, it\'s tough to beat.

Complexity.  We all remember how much trouble some people had with just operating the PS2.  I can only imagine how they will react to the X-Box.  The GameCube has one medium of software that it supports with four simple controller ports.  3 kids plus my uncle himself being an avid gamer, it\'ll be fun to watch him get beaten by his own kids. :)

Games.  When it comes to quality, and family entertainment, who better than Nintendo?  To demonstrate my uncle\'s version of family ethics, Jurassic Park III, although very low key in the violence department, is "much too scary for my kids."  From that, you can guess just how easy it was to choose a console for them.

Now after all that, what would I choose for my budding young children when they are old enough to understand games?  Nintendo.  I would put a Nintendo console in my kid\'s room over any other console that will be avialable in the next 12 years.  That is to say, if consoles are fundamentally the same in that time.

So, after all that spiel, what\'s my point?

I\'m but a single person, among millions, who think the same way and want the same things.  That\'s why Nintendo will continue to do well so long as they keep doing what we all love.  I felt the N64 was a very poor system, but that didn\'t stop it from selling about 30 million units now did it?  30 million units, high game sales, despite few games being made, great console manufacturing with little to no hardware defects, and very very small issues with pirating.  I\'d say that about 29 million of those units were legit sales and the people went on to buy quite a few games in those 4 years.  Obviously, people were happy with what they bought and the company itself will continue to do well.

Nintendo.  The last console manufacturer and game designer that remains a sure bet with the casual, hardcore, and young gamers alike.
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2001, 11:39:17 PM »
The Good Points
Beleve it or not.......

But Nintendos Business plan is mainly aimied at the X box rather than the PS2.


Infact most of the in roads that microsoft wants is being contested by Nintendo.

I.E.

the Market in Japan

Yonger gamers

the Launch date (before the X box and chaeper who can resist that)

Cheaper that the .......X box wouldn\'t be hard for the price of a X box bundle pack you can get a heck of a lot of Gamecube games.

Smaller thatn the X box ....... not a big pint (pardon the pun) but most people are put of by its size. and what with the Game cube being such av small console...... it makes it easyier for transit and moving from room to room

Exclusives no one dose exclusive like Nintendo


Bad Points

The alination of loyal gamers (see New Zelda For Example)
The Great "kiddie" debate
Fear that it might be another N64
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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2001, 12:17:10 AM »
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The Great "kiddie" debate
Fear that it might be another N64


While the N64 is far from one of my favorite consoles , it did sell a respectable amount and can be considered another Nintendo success and most casual gamers don\'t think the N64 is that bad. My girlfriend just went out and bought one with Mario 64 and Mario Kart 64 and she\'s in heaven. While we \'hardcore\' or avid gamers are not fond of the N64 for the most part because of things like bland textures, lame music and so on, the casual gamer thinks in terms of Mario, Pokemon, Zelda and other franchises.

The "kiddie" debate has always been goin\' and will continue. It will however not effect Nintendo in the least.

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THE FLAWED THING I SEE IN THIS IS that. Why can\'t nintendo make teen adult games. I mean for every 2 or 3 mario\' and luigi\'s games I would like to see nintendo make a mature game. Something like a RE, Silent hill combination. I don\'t see how nintendo\'s image would be tainted if they slipped in some mature titles to go with all there more younger associated titles.


It would be tainted in the same way Disney would receive a lot of bad media if they released an R rated movie. It was a brave move on Nintendo\'s part to even release Conkers Bad Fur Day and you see how it was treated. They had to sneak it by. If they start catering to the mature auidence in terms of gore / mature storylines and such, the family consumer will no longer look at Nintendo as the "family company".

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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2001, 12:44:08 AM »
the only game that interests me at all on that system is re0.  but knowing capcom it\'ll probably get ported to ps2 n maybe with extras just like recv.  Same goes with x-box the only exclusive game I have any interest in is DC3.

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« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2001, 04:38:51 AM »
So Nintendo is not trying to get the whole market, they
Are content with a niche … I guess they know what
They are good at, and they don’t want to break away from this
Strategy.

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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2001, 02:03:15 PM »
Like LIC said, Nintendo has a great bussiness model.
But, they could try to be a bit more easy on 3rd partie
devs, cooncerning licence fees, content restrictions ( green
instead of red blood ; Nintendo Germany ) and stuff like
that.
Maybe, and note this is just a suggestion of mine, they could
create a seperate NGC games line which could make a legitimate
space for games like Silent Hill 2 or other \'mature\' games.
This could be done by making special packages for those games.
They could make it look dark with special indicators that this is
a game from the \'mature line\'. They could even make restrictions
by letting retail shops check for age verification though ID when in case of doubt.
This would expand their demographic without harming their excisting one.

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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2001, 12:36:11 PM »
Well, loads I know quite a few young very young children who have Playstations and play games like Crash, or Croc, ect.
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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2001, 12:49:57 PM »
nintendo has their own user base that pretty much cannot be touched. microsoft and sony are battling it out for the older gamers.  IMO sony will win for the older gamers because of the massive hype behind the system before lauch.

nintendo will have no compeition, and thats the way they like it. game boy has no competition. neither will gamecube.


sure, you may say that nintendo\'s buisness plan is brilliant, but i think the reason is because they have NO competition.
and theyve been around longer. sony came in with the psx and blew N64 outta the water. once nintendo gets competition it dies, thats why i think theya re going for the "younger" zelda look, and keeping the younger oriented games.

just my opinion, but it is a trend.
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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2001, 12:38:31 AM »
Well I see where you\'re coming from, but I\'m hoping that that\'s not what they think in Nintendo\'s front offices.

Because if they decide that they should just run into their own little corner when someone comes to challenge their turf, that shows weakness and it\'s really pathetic.

Challenge Sony and Microsoft by being ULTRA aggressive with obtaining third parties, market for our system NOW, be aggressive in pursuing the older fanbase that we lost with the n64 generation, focus on making newer franchises to draw in gamers, stop being so isolationist and become a member of the mainstream videogame industry again??

Nah, let\'s run back and stick to the kids!

I\'m not saying that\'s what Nintendo is doing, but if it is, then the very little tiny spec of respect that I still have for that company will have just been tossed out of the window.

Actually, if I don\'t hear anything about gamecube at TGS it will have been tossed out the window anyway, so it really won\'t matter.

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« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2001, 09:48:20 AM »
Mostly all good points. Nintnedo has found a nitch market of guanteed sales. Even though their profit margin might not be as high as their competetors (Sony, Microsoft), their stability in their market is assured. And lets be frank, even though they aren\'t raking in as big of bucks as Sony did with the PSX.. they aren\'t exactly scraping by either.

I\'m glad Nintnedo is there to fill the void of "Family Entertainment" which would otherwise be neglected. Of course, I have no respect for Nintnedo as a company and would rather start my non-existant kids into gaming with a Sega console.. but unfortunately that possiblity is about nil at this point in time. Also, despite my hatred for the corperate, they do have good games that I could enjoy just about as much as my non-existant children.

Besides, if Conker\'s Bad Fur Day is any indication of Nintendo\'s image of a "mature" game.. then no thanks. Stick to Mario, Zelda, and Metroid please.
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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2001, 12:41:05 PM »
where the hell have you been?

We all thought you were dead.

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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2001, 04:27:45 PM »
I heard on the N64 Code Center Forums that Super Smash Bros.: Melee has a Teen rating. I think this is because of the graphics quality.
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