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GmanJoe, to answer your question, religion..
« on: September 06, 2001, 02:50:17 AM »
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Posted by GmanJoe, in the Religion thread
Translation : "We\'re better coz we\'re North Europeans".

Sounds like a Nazi rhetoric.

What a self flattering remark. Do you know the rest of us personally? Just coz some of us believe in God, you assume we\'re less open minded than you? :rolleyes: You need to get off that high horse coz that remark itself stinks of ignorance, arrogance and closed mindedness.


Look.. It came out the wrong way..
What I mean is that it SEEMS (based on the debate) that we NORTH EUROPEANS dont take religion as serius as you guys do..
We have learnt other explinations and belive in them..
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« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2001, 03:01:57 AM »
Then explain this.

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Is it just me.. Or does it seem like we north Europeans.. (Bossieman, nO-One, Samwise and me) Are more openminded about things? (I think religion is something in the past..)

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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2001, 03:06:01 AM »
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Then explain this.

 


It came out the wrong way..
Btw.. Did I say we are superior to you guys?
No.. I never even thought it..
LOL..
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2001, 03:10:02 AM »
Did I say you thought you were superior? No. What did I do. I recall posting a quote and nothing more. You certainly have a unique way of interpreting things. :rolleyes:

Explain why you think you guys are more open-minded about things. Don\'t change the subject again.

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GmanJoe, to answer your question, religion..
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2001, 03:12:45 AM »
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Did I say you thought you were superior? No. What did I do. I recall posting a quote and nothing more. You certainly have a unique way of interpreting things. :rolleyes:

Explain why you think you guys are more open-minded about things. Don\'t change the subject again.


I dont know.. It just seem that way..
Like there are almost no die hard religius people left up here..
(except for the old timers.)

We are pretty advanced in sciantific recearch.. Maybe it has opend our minds.. Sweden used to be a pretty religius place you know..

If you didnt belive in god.. Well, youd be thrown into jail or worse get killed..
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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2001, 03:20:47 AM »
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I dont know.. It just seem that way..
Like there are almost no die hard religius people left up here..
(except for the old timers.)

We are pretty advanced in sciantific recearch.. Maybe it has opend our minds.. Sweden used to be a pretty religius place you know..

If you didnt belive in god.. Well, youd be thrown into jail or worse get killed..

Shows how open-minded Sweden is. :rolleyes:

I just find it ironic how you said you guys are more open-minded then proceeded say religion is something of the past. Wait, not really ironic, just extremely illogical and retarded.

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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2001, 03:29:40 AM »
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Shows how open-minded Sweden is. :rolleyes:

I just find it ironic how you said you guys are more open-minded then proceeded say religion is something of the past. Wait, not really ironic, just extremely illogical and retarded.


Thats what I thought..
(And btw, religion is something old. It has been here for 100 000 years or so.. Before it was illigial to think anything else.. Now everyone is entitled to their own opinion.. Thats why most have left the religius belifes..)

Btw, I see no evidence of a god!
There is just a book and people base there lifes on it..

Is it logic that there is a heaven where all is joy and happines?
I find it pretty hard to belive..
But Im not CLOSED to the thought either..
If someone came with concrete facts about god, Id be more than happy to listen..
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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2001, 03:36:14 AM »
Listen up then.

10 reasons why god exists

The Inevitability Of Faith
Everyone believes in something. No one can endure the stress and cares of life without faith in something that cannot ultimately be proven. Atheists cannot prove there is no God. Pantheists cannot prove that everything is God. Pragmatists cannot prove that what will count for them in the future is what works for them now. Nor can agnostics prove that it is impossible to know one way or the other. Faith is unavoidable, even if we choose to believe only in ourselves. What is to be decided is what evidence we think is pertinent, how we are going to interpret that evidence, and who or what we are willing to believe in (Luke 16:16).

The Limitations Of Science
Scientific method is limited to a process defined by that which is measurable and repeatable. By definition, it cannot speak to issues of ultimate origin, meaning, or morality. For such answers, science is dependent on the values and personal beliefs of those who use it. Science, therefore, has great potential for both good and evil. It can be used to make vaccines or poisons, nuclear power plants or nuclear weapons. It can be used to clean up the environment or to pollute it. It can be used to argue for God or against Him. Science by itself offers no moral guidance or values to govern our lives. All science can do is show us how natural law works, while telling us nothing about its origins.

The Problems Of Evolution
Some have assumed that an evolutionary explanation of life would make God unnecessary. This overlooks some problems. Even if we assume that scientists will someday find enough "missing links" to confirm that life appeared and developed gradually over great periods of time, laws of probability would still show the need for a Creator. As a result, many scientists who believe in evolution believe also that the universe in all of its immensity and complexity did not "just happen." Many feel compelled to acknowledge the possibility or even likelihood of an intelligent designer who provided the ingredients for life and set in motion the laws by which it developed.

The Habits Of The Heart
Mankind has been described as incurably religious. In unguarded moments of trouble or surprise, in prayer or in profanity, references to deity persist. Those who would dismiss such thoughts as bad habits or social vices are left with unanswerable questions. Denying the existence of God does not dispel the mysteries of life. Attempts to exclude God from the language of civil life does not eliminate the persistent longing for more than this life has to offer (Ecclesiastes 3:11). There is something about truth, beauty, and love that makes our hearts ache. Even in our anger with a God who would permit injustice and pain, we draw upon a moral conscience to argue that life is not as it ought to be (Romans 2:14-15). Even unwillingly, we are drawn to something that is more rather than less than ourselves.

The Background Of Genesis
On first reading, the opening words of the Bible seem to assume the existence of God. Genesis, however, was written at a point of time in history. Moses wrote, "In the beginning God" after Israel\'s exodus from Egypt. He wrote after miraculous events that were said to have been witnessed by millions of Jews and Egyptians. From the Exodus to the coming of Messiah, the God of the Bible rests His case on events witnessed in real time and locations. Anyone who doubted the claims could visit real places and people to check out the evidence for themselves.

The Nation Of Israel
Israel is often used as an argument against God. Many find it difficult to believe in a God who would be partial to a "chosen people." Others find it even harder to believe in a God who would not protect His "chosen nation" from the boxcars, gas chambers, and ovens of Auschwitz and Dachau. Yet from the beginning of Old Testament history, Israel\'s future was prewritten. Together with other prophets, Moses predicted not only Israel\'s possession of the land but also her unparalleled suffering and dispersion throughout the whole earth, her eventual repentance, and then finally her last-days restoration (Deuteronomy 28-34; Isaiah 2:1-5; Ezekiel 37-38).

The Claims Of Christ
Many who doubt the existence of God have reassured themselves with the thought, "If God wanted us to believe in Him, He would appear to us." According to the Bible, that is what God has done. Writing in the 7th century BC, the prophet Isaiah said that God would give His people a sign. A virgin would bear a son who would be called "God with us" (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23). Isaiah said this Son would be called, "Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6). The prophet also said that this child would die for His people\'s sins before seeing His life prolonged and honored by God (Isaiah 53). According to the New Testament, Jesus claimed to be that Messiah. Under the oversight of a Roman governor named Pontius Pilate, He was crucified on charges that He claimed to be the king of Israel and that He had represented Himself as being equal with God (John 5:18).

The Evidence Of Miracles
The reports of the first followers of Jesus agree that He did more than just claim to be the long-awaited Messiah. These witnesses said He won their trust by healing paralytics, walking on water, and then voluntarily dying a painful, undeserved death before rising from the dead (1 Corinthians 15:1-8). Most compelling was their claim that many witnesses had seen and talked to Christ after finding His tomb empty and before watching Him ascend visibly into the clouds. These witnesses didn\'t have anything on earth to gain by their claims. They had no hopes of material wealth or power. Many became martyrs, claiming to the end that the long-awaited Messiah of Israel had lived among them, that He had become a sacrifice for sin, and that He had risen from the dead to assure them of His ability to bring them to God.

The Details Of Nature
Some who believe in God do not take His existence seriously. They reason that a God great enough to create the universe would be too big to be concerned about us. Jesus, however, confirmed what the design and detail of the natural world suggest. He showed that God is great enough to care about the smallest details of our lives. He spoke of one who not only knows every move we make but also the motives and thoughts of our heart. Jesus taught that God knows the number of hairs on our head, the concerns of our heart, and even the condition of a fallen sparrow (Psalm 139; Matthew 6).

The Voice Of Experience
The Bible says that God designs the circumstances of our lives in a way that will prompt us to look for Him (Acts 17:26). For those who do reach out for Him, the Scriptures also say that He is close enough to be found (Acts 17:27). According to the apostle Paul, God is a Spirit in whom "we live and move and have our being" (Acts 17:28). The Bible makes it just as clear, however, that we must reach out for God on His terms rather than our own. He promises to be found, not by just anyone but by those who admit their own need and are willing to trust Him rather than themselves.

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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2001, 03:52:47 AM »
Yes I agree.

There are some "missing links" like.
We know matter cant be created.. Yet it was created..

But when and where?

There are alot of unanswered questions..
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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2001, 04:42:16 AM »
I understand you didn\'t mean to say it that way. We all make mistakes. It got to me, I reacted. It just sounded so unfair.

But you said it yourself. You didn\'t mean to make it sound the way it did.

I understand. Thanks for clearing that up.

What you should have said was "There are less fundementalist Christians in Northern Europe."

I\'m Christian, a Catholic, to be specific. Here in America, we sometimes get a lot of anomosity from Protestants. It\'s rare....many of my friend are Protestants and don\'t really care if I\'m one or not. But there are some who hate Catholics.

And no, I\'m not American. But my ancestors were Spaniards. And I wasn\'t born in South America. I prefer not to say what I am.

I wish there were only two races. Men and Women.  I don\'t care about the pigment of one\'s skin. I care only about their character. Doesn\'t matter where they\'re from. I will form my opinion as I meet them.

You can say that I\'m an open minded Christian. Actually, many Christians are. Look at the past scientists. Many of them believed in both science and religion.

Anyway, thanks for clearing things up with me. Hopefully this thread will be locked. You statement angered a few people and your explaination may not be enough. The sooner it\'s closed, the sooner we can bury the thread.
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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2001, 05:11:48 AM »
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Originally posted by Jumpman
Listen up then.

10 reasons why god exists
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This is my opinion:

The Inevitability Of Faith
Yeah, the faith of science. I guess science is a religion unto itself.
 
The Limitations Of Science
Science has potential for good/evil? I would take science over religion any day,
I think religion has caused more evil then good. IMO. And wars, suffering, prosecution, racism, etc…

The Problems Of Evolution
This point I concede to you. ;)
 
The Habits Of The Heart
the longing is called “fear of the unknown”, it is in our DNA makeup, we are a species that evolved from swinging on branches in a jungle. ;)


The Background Of Genesis
Genesis is a nice fictional account devised for 6 year old children.


The Nation Of Israel
The only reason GOD let Jews suffer is because he is not a personal god, nor do the Jews have special place in gods heart.  The old testament? Who do you think wrote that? God? Or just plain ignorant men with a need to justify their actions? Moses predicted nothing, it is only natural for a race to long for a country they call their own, so who could blame Jews for wanting a country of their own?


The Claims Of Christ
Right, new age movement. ;) Virgin birth, I’m sure her love canal was used up pretty well when she popped Jesus.

The Evidence Of Miracles
Miracles? Who do you think wrote the old/new testament? PEOPLE, not god, some of them might have been too high to stand up when they attempted to do so I gather.
 
The Details Of Nature

“Jesus, however, confirmed what the design and detail of the natural world suggest. He showed that God is great enough to care about the smallest details of our lives. “
I’m not denying big J’s existence, but I think everything he said, he said figuratively,
Examples served as an illustration for the dimwitted.




The Voice Of Experience
that is more Bible propaganda. ;)

In closing all your facts about god are based on a Bible, which was written by some hippie in a drug induced state.

 

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