So does Sony have it all wrapped up?

Yes I think sony has this generation won again.  Plus I keep hearing about sony price drop to be exact I\'ve heard nov. 16, the price will be cut to $199.  The gt3 bundle $229.  I hear a lot of sources confirmed this like someone one the ign board and gaming age.  It this is true nintendo and M$ will be fighting for second place.  End of story.:thepimp: :thepimp: :thepimp:

[BizioEE]

Originally posted by Ginko
Most of you are forgetting that Luigi\'s Mansion, Wave Race, etc are just launch titles.  The PS2 has been out for a year and a half.  I can say with all honesty that the PS2 launch wasn\'t all that impressive either, and I remember them being considered 1st generation DC games!

Well...I\'ve simply expressed my opinion about this statement ""Personally, from what I have seen of Lugi\'s Mansion, nothing on the PS2 compares to it. That is just my opinion. Same with RS2.""...and I explained why I\'m not impressed by Luigi\'s Mansion and why it\'s not better than anything on PS2...People perfectly know that Luigi is a Lauch game and GC will produce by far better games in the near future...it\'s not a comparison between PS2 and GC...but only a little complaint of people who were expecting more from Nindendo...especially if you think they have been saying for months that their Lauch-Line up should be impressive compared to PS2\'one...thanks to their friendly,optimum and ultra-balanced new Hardware...

 

As for Xbox, it has the most impressive launch lineup since Dreamcast!  The games look next generation, being superior to PS2, DC, and even outclassing the GC (for right now).

Halo, Munch, Dead or Alive 3...all excellent looking titles that will probably set the standards from now on.  And with every third party on board except Square (this could change soon), Xbox has a very good chance of catching up.  I\'m guessing one million units sold by christmas, with 3 million by late spring/early summer.

Yes...X-Box has the most impressive graphics,huge support from the best developers and the most impressive Lauch Line up in this generation...it has all the potentialities to be a successful console...let\'s wait and see...

Does Sony have it all wrapped up?  With 10-12 million units sold, a price drop around the corner, and an amazing line up through Feb 2002... it would seem they have it locked in.  The answer is no!  I know that J&D, ICO, TMB, GT3, DMC, MGS2, and FFX will sell well, but what\'s after that?  We\'ve known about the above games since or shortly after they announced the system almost 2 years ago.  My guess is they have a few secret titles but how many can they hide?  Enough to keep PS2 going.  And will PS2 see the same show the PSX did, sequel after sequel?

10-12 million units sold ?  Where did you get these numbers ?
...I thought 14.95 million before the release of FFX...am I wrong ?
 

And what about the developers, they lost some.  I know it\'s not very many, but they did loose developers this time.  And some games; Galleon, Munch, Resident Evil, Crash isn\'t exclusive, neither is Spyro, Silent Hill 2, SSX, Metal Gear Solid 2 (not sure about this one), Tomb Raider...  IMO, the PS2 just doesn\'t feel like a must have.

Konami\'s games were Sony exclusive ? Tomb Raider ? exclusive?
Do you expect an EA game being exclusive ?

However
Each Company gains some exclusive...and lose some other...look at Malice...it\'s a normal routine...and each Company has its own great appeal to make its own console a must have....for the rest it\'s a matter of taste.

Originally posted by BizioEE

but only a little complaint of people who were expecting more from Nindendo...especially if you think they have been saying for months that their Lauch-Line up should be impressive compared to PS2\'one...thanks to their friendly,optimum and ultra-balanced new Hardware...

Is the game comparable to second generation PS2 games?  I think so...good job Nintendo!

 

Yes...X-Box has the most impressive graphics,huge support from the best developers and the most impressive Lauch Line up in this generation...it has all the potentialities to be a successful console...let\'s wait and see...

As you can see, I didn\'t assume that Xbox will be the best with words such as "excellent looking titles" and "probably". No arguement here...

10-12 million units sold ?  Where did you get these numbers ?
...I thought 14.95 million before the release of FFX...am I wrong ?

Could be, I could be wrong...I thought it was 15 million units shipped world wide with over 12 million sold through.
 

Konami\'s games were Sony exclusive ? Tomb Raider ? exclusive?
Do you expect an EA game being exclusive ?

However
Each Company gains some exclusive...and lose some other...look at Malice...it\'s a normal routine...and each Company has its own great appeal to make its own console a must have....for the rest it\'s a matter of taste. [/B]

That statement just went to show that Sony isn\'t the powerhouse it was back in the 32-bit generation.  Back then EA, Crash, Tomb Raider, Konami, Namco, among some other were pratically first party Sony developers.  Now that these companies develope equally or more for other consoles, it makes the PS2 seem like a less likely must have...

Anything else??:o

Here are the PS2 sales numbers as of August 2001 from PSM magazine.

Total sales:  over 15 million
Japan: 5.9 million
USA: 5.1 million
Europe: 3.9 million

PS2 will probably sell the most systems. But I doubt that the best selling games will be on the system. Kind of like how N64 had tons less game than PS2, but there were more million sellers. I believe the big sellers will be on X-Box and GC.

Also, Nothing on PS2 equals Rogue Squadron 2 or Dead or Alive 3, on GC and X-Box respectively. That is graphics, I dont really care for those games and I would rather take MANY PS2 games over those 2.

But X-Box\'s line up over anything else this generation excites me.

Panzer Dragoon 4 - any sega fan knows what I am talking about, if you didn\'t play the first 3 (good luck on finding Saga).

Jet Set Radio: Future - last years most stylish game and overall one of the best DC games is getting a sequel and significant graphical upgrade on X-Box.
 
Project Gotham - I was one of the few people to like MSR, this game is looking good and I like some of the idea\'s they are putting into it. (launch game)

Project Ego - have you read the preview? Nuff said.

Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind Have you read the preview? Nuff said. (launch game)
 
GUNVALKYRIE - looks to be classic Sega action, priceless. (launch game)

others I am looking forward to: Doom3, Unreal Championship, Crazy Taxi Next, etc.

Hopefully the Japanese public will accept this console, which is shaping up nicely. You never know though, Shenmue II only sold 110,000 copies.


Eric Jacob

It is far too early to be saying who will sell the most system, only one of the systems has hit US\'s shores.  The PS2 is doing very well when it comes to units sold but there is no way to gauge where it will be this time next year.

JC-21, I am not sure how you concluded that LM\'s textures where on the same level of the N64.  Perhaps you just do not like the style but technically it is vastly improved.  As for Wave Race, I am still confused by people hyping its graphics; I just do not see it.

For Halo and whatnot, they are better looking than PS2 titles genre by genre (except for PG, I think GT3 still has a better over-all appearance) but you should really need to wait to see them running in a kiosk.  E3 was bad for the Xbox but once people get their hands on the final/near-final games you will see a noticeable shift of opinions.

Back on-topic, PS2 has dug in very well and will be hard to beat.  Japan is looking pretty safe for them but US will likely be a very hard market for them to hold.

Originally posted by JC-21
MGS2 technicaly poops on Luigi by the way. Although luigi has some awesome lighting and transparency effects.

Tell me how "technically" MGS2 poops on Luigi? I\'m not saying Luigi is an awesome game or even a good game but tell me what is so technically superior about MGS2? Is it because fruit blows up? Is it because you see rain splashes? What is it? IMO, MGS2\'s textures SUCK. If that game was on any other console it would look 10X better. I am very confident of that. I think if MGS2 was on the Xbox it would probably be one of the best looking games that we have seen so far. Which is probably why we have heard nothing about MGSX(don\'t want to overshadow your current product). Technically the lighting and shadowing in Luigi is something that I have not seen in any game yet. It is not very technical; but it shows a lot of the easily tapped power of the GCN.

IMO, The Gamecube is going to own this Christmas season. Just for the simple fact that all of the people that were crying about not having PS2\'s last year, who only wanted them because they were hard to find will see some of the amazing games for the GCN and its consumer friendly prices and be scrambling to get them. This is evident in the request from retailers to Nintendo for more GCNs. Apparently they are expecting a rush on Gamecube\'s that some of us are not seeing.

[BizioEE]

Originally posted by Ginko


Is the game comparable to second generation PS2 games?  I think so...good job Nintendo!

opss....as I said before...I just replied to a statement...and I said that Luigi doesn\'t blow away anything on PS2...I didn\'t say Luigi is not comparable to second gen PS2 games...it\'s not too difficult to understand...right?

...on the other hand I\'m impressed by RL...the graphics are some of the best I\'ve ever seen...

Anything else ?    

 

As you can see, I didn\'t assume that Xbox will be the best with words such as "excellent looking titles" and "probably". No arguement here...

mmm?  I was not sarcastic...do you have a guilty conscience ?
X-Box has the best hardware and I\'m really impressed by the graphics of DOA3,Halo,etc and I think it has the best Lauch Line up this generation...I agreed with you...so...no argument here

Could be, I could be wrong...I thought it was 15 million units shipped world wide with over 12 million sold through.

At first you said 10-12...now over 12...why?
However you were wrong ....it\'s over 15 millions...
 

That statement just went to show that Sony isn\'t the powerhouse it was back in the 32-bit generation.  Back then EA, Crash, Tomb Raider, Konami, Namco, among some other were pratically first party Sony developers.  Now that these companies develope equally or more for other consoles, it makes the PS2 seem like a less likely must have...

Anything else??:o

Crash ?  it\'s an old game now...do you think people could be interested in Crash when Mario,J&D and other great platform are going to be released ?

Konami,Namco...developing equally or more for other consoles ? May I see your personal sources ?    ..I mean...your crystal ball...

The fact that Sony isn\'t the powerhouse it was back in the 32-bit generation doesn\'t mean that PS2 is not a must have console...as you said at first...

Learn to respect other opinions...as I respect yours...I see PS2 as a Must Have console(my personal taste,I can\'t renounce some of the exclusive like GTN,VF4,J&D,etc etc etc...)...and it\'s the only point I made...

Anything else ? :o

Originally posted by BizioEE

opss....as I said before...I just replied to a statement...and I said that Luigi doesn\'t blow away anything on PS2...I didn\'t say Luigi is not comparable to second gen PS2 games...it\'s not too difficult to understand...right?

...on the other hand I\'m impressed by RL...the graphics are some of the best I\'ve ever seen...

Anything else ?

Not at all, got ya...  

 

At first you said 10-12...now over 12...why?
However you were wrong ....it\'s over 15 millions...

I also said I could be wrong, which I was.  I accept it...
 

Crash ?  it\'s an old game now...do you think people could be interested in Crash when Mario,J&D and other great platform are going to be released ?

Konami,Namco...developing equally or more for other consoles ? May I see your personal sources ?    ..I mean...your crystal ball...
The fact that Sony isn\'t the powerhouse it was back in the 32-bit generation doesn\'t mean that PS2 is not a must have console...as you said at first

I have no crystal ball, merely ign to keep up to date with gaming news.  And seeing that Silent Hill 2, Tomb Raider, Ridge Racer 6, Soul Calibur 2, Dead to Rights, MGSX(this one\'s up in the air), Crash, will all be on other systems, it doesn\'t seem like Sony has so many exclusives as it did in the 32 bit era...

I still stand behind this, EA , Namco, Konami, Eidos, Capcom among others weren\'t developing as heavily for anyone else but PSX.  Now they have either shifted their focus to another console or decided to actually go multi-platform with most of their titles...anything not clear?

Learn to respect other opinions...as I respect yours...I see PS2 as a Must Have console(my personal taste,I can\'t renounce some of the exclusive like GTN,VF4,J&D,etc etc etc...)...and it\'s the only point I made..

And I say "it makes the PS2 seem like a less likely must have... "
Do I need to reiterate?  I didn\'t say the PS2 isn\'t a must have.  

Anything else ? :o

[BizioEE]

Originally posted by Ginko


I still stand behind this, EA , Namco, Konami, Eidos, Capcom among others weren\'t developing as heavily for anyone else but PSX.  Now they have either shifted their focus to another console or decided to actually go multi-platform with most of their titles...anything not clear?

now it\'s clear

And I say "it makes the PS2 seem like a less likely must have... "
Do I need to reiterate?  I didn\'t say the PS2 isn\'t a must have.  

Anything else ? :o

Yes:) ...Look at what you\'ve said at first  

And what about the developers, they lost some. I know it\'s not very many, but they did loose developers this time. And some games; Galleon, Munch, Resident Evil, Crash isn\'t exclusive, neither is Spyro, Silent Hill 2, SSX, Metal Gear Solid 2 (not sure about this one), Tomb Raider... IMO, the PS2 just doesn\'t feel like a must have.

Anything else ? :o ...now I\'m joking Ginko...peace ?

With the price drop PS2 suddenly looks quite good, with lots of great games coming along. I\'m not as negative towards the result of a future \'console war\' on behalf of PS2 as I once was. GC/Xbox will get their fair share of competition, that\'s for sure.

Can someone give me a link to info about a "PS2 Price drop"? The last thing i read about that was that the SOny execs had NO plans of lowering the PS2\'s price. They figure if people are buying it at full price then why give it for less?

Gohan, it\'s on http://www.computerandvideogames.com/story.cfm?sid=3452. And I\'m talking Europe here, I don\'t know about the US. I wouldn\'t be surprised if they lowered the price a bit there too sometime \'soon\'.