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« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2001, 01:37:16 AM »
I have a similar problem with Samwise.

money has been running out because of Playstation 2. I have bought way too many quality titles, and now I see my money-stash is half empty. Enough for few games + a little pile of money, but not for a new console.

I don\'t care either wich of the consoles win anymore - I have had it all with Ps2.

and now, just thinking about tomorrow, when I will quite probably get GTA3, and the coming months, when I\'ll be playing Tony Hawk 3, and next year, when I will kick some buttses as Snake...

ah the joy!
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« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2001, 01:44:54 AM »
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I don\'t know what Luigi Mansion, Pikmin, Mario is...


I\'ll tell you what they are, they\'re games with great gameplay! And if all of you haters were to get over this stupid kiddy excuse and actually play these games you\'d be hooked. I speak the truth! All hail the truth!!
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« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2001, 02:05:12 AM »
*BUMP* This topic is getting old and ppl love there ps2 too much rite now to give an honest opinion on anything outside of it. And you clearly are using bias when scoring xbox games. So this topic is null and void. Your just too bias to make a thread like this.(I am agreeing with alteredbeat)

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« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2001, 02:42:53 AM »
Yea, how can you rate xbox games when they havent been released yet. I know some people have got to play them, but probably not enough too really judge the games
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« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2001, 08:48:05 AM »
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*looks at DOA3*

*looks at PS2 games he owns*

*looks at lower XBox graphics score*

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The  only one who should be allowed to create these kinds of topics are the neutral people.

Clip, SonyFan, Ddaryl (to some extent), Wiseblood (now there is a name you havent heard in a while, me (? DC would win :)), etc.

games for PS2 are better IMO, because they are out, while it may bee til after the end of the year til X-Box gets more great games out.


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Xbox: 8.9
Okay sure it may be first generation, but it was supposed to be this amazing graphics machine.. With its Nvidia card.... Well the games look like First Gen PS2 games.... Is that a good thing?


well...X-Box launch games look great...I don\'t know why you don\'t like them graphically...
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« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2001, 09:36:25 AM »
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I\'ll tell you what they are, they\'re games with great gameplay! And if all of you haters were to get over this stupid kiddy excuse and actually play these games you\'d be hooked. I speak the truth! All hail the truth!!


I dont think so, yes they all (except luigies mansion which is said to be boring) will have great gameplay. I personallly get turned down when a game looks as if it is made for a small kid, take zelda. The gameboy versions which where very cartooney where great, but the new version looks like some powerpuff movie game, it just turns me down. Pokemon is something adult and teen gamers despise because it is not aimed at them.

But you are right, gamecube in not kiddie (except for the design) but Nintendo as a developer still is! and the second or third party games dont count. Nearly every game that nintendo has released is cute and fluffy, there are some exceptions but im talking about the majority

Gamecube will be great though, Im looking foward playing Rogue leader, Sc2 and The RE remakes. Its just not enough for many (including myself) to buy one
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« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2001, 10:18:12 AM »
Yeah, anyone can pick out games that looked better but had framerate problems--you are being selective to prove a point.  You are also implying that the psx had no framerate problems with its first generation of games, this is absolutely false--get over it and use some sense.  I could list dozens of games that look tremendously better  than first gen games (for psx, snes, genesis), but that wouldn\'t prove anything really.  Just use common sense, this point isn\'t something that can be argued.  It should be a given that devs learn small tricks to get more out of a system then they initially could.  

People who think that the PS2 will eventually produce graphics like the GC or xbox once devs "learn" the system are kidding themselves.  All systems will evolve graphically, it\'s just a matter of specs.

Maxxed out, the PS2 is an inferior machine in terms of graphics, and that is the sad truth.
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« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2001, 12:45:13 PM »
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Im looking foward playing Rogue leader, Sc2 and The RE remakes.


you mean RE remake.  part 1 is the only one theyre remaking..the rest are just ports in high rez....bummer.
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« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2001, 12:47:58 PM »
FF8 and FF9 had pretty big improvements from FF7, and the framerate was doubled. :D(FF7 was 15fps, and FF8 & 9 were at 30. Did you notice the difference? I sure did. :))

Anyways, these 1st gen Xbox games aren\'t really pushing its hardware at all... Er, save HALO. Most of them were just rushed and ported from 2nd phase dev. kits to the final hardware with minor adjustments like framerate issues to make the games playable. I\'m expecting a lot out of the 2nd gen software. ^_^;
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« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2001, 12:56:30 AM »
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Yeah, anyone can pick out games that looked better but had framerate problems--you are being selective to prove a point. You are also implying that the psx had no framerate problems with its first generation of games, this is absolutely false--get over it and use some sense. I could list dozens of games that look tremendously better than first gen games (for psx, snes, genesis), but that wouldn\'t prove anything really. Just use common sense, this point isn\'t something that can be argued. It should be a given that devs learn small tricks to get more out of a system then they initially could.


LOL, now you\'re bull****ing me right?

I neversaid or even implied that PSX had \'no\' framerate problems at the beginning and if you look for the other thread, you will even see that I have already tryed to prove that there are graphical enhancements made during a consoles life span. Plain fact. I also didn\'t say that PSX had framerate problems at the end, what I ment was that some scaled down framerates and resolution just to get some better graphics on screen. Plain fact. I even named you a few examples and could add more if I wanted to.

What I don\'t like about your earlier post though, is that you seem to think that just because PSX was an easy platform which saw such a big leap in graphics, means we will see an equal leap on the Xbox as well. This can be true, but I question this very much.

There\'s a big difference between a console architecture and that of a PC. You seem to imply that just because PSX saw a big leap in graphics (which was an easy platform), we will see a more or less equal leap in Xbox\'s graphics. This is simply not true, since both architectures are so different. And mind you, developing a PC game or on a architecture very similar to that of a PC is still much easier than on a console.

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People who think that the PS2 will eventually produce graphics like the GC or xbox once devs "learn" the system are kidding themselves. All systems will evolve graphically, it\'s just a matter of specs.

Maxxed out, the PS2 is an inferior machine in terms of graphics, and that is the sad truth.


Give me any good reason why I should believe you? Are you a developer? Have you programmed on the PS2 yourself? Heck, from what I can tell, you don\'t even understand the own stuff you post, so why should anyone in here take a statement like that serious? It\'s good for a laugh though.

Yes, Xbox is a strong and powerful system (no one ever stated otherwise). Developers have stated this and this has already been proven by recent releases: PS2 will see a big leap in graphics (logical, more so than Xbox). You compare first gen games to second gen games and you already see a huge difference there. And it will go further, trust me.
Oh by the way, explain to me, why Electronic Arts states that the PS2 has a higher pixelfillrate than the Xbox? What happened to those numbers Microsoft is publishing? Dream on, buddy. I am not saying that PS2 is as strong as Xbox just yet, but it\'s a lot more powerful than you think it is and it will prove with time.

Don\'t forget, Xbox uses technology that is over 20 years old and as Intel states themselves, is at the end of its life span. This might not be necessarely bad, since this makes the Xbox (also thanks to DirectX) very, no sorry, VERY easy to develop for. Don\'t forget that.

Think what you want, but stop denying the fact that PS2 is a lot more powerful than you want it to be.

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« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2001, 06:39:24 AM »
Lol anyone who thinks the Xbox lineup is godly... needs to look twice... only game that amazes me even a little is DOA3 and DOA games get boring after 9 days.
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« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2001, 08:04:20 AM »
that is true with all fighting games, though. Only with more people are they lasting and fun.

To tell you the truth, though, I havent seen this many great games within 1 year of a console launch, ever. Even more so than DC\'s godly first year.

DOA
Halo
Panzer Dragoon
Sega GT
GUNVALKYRIE
Medal of Honor
Project Gotham
Project Ego
Sega GT online
Unreal Championship
Max Payne
JSR:F
Maximum Chase
Double S.T.E.A.L.
Shin Megami Tensei Online
Tony Hawk
Shenmue II

and so on and so forth.

Even if some of these games are coming to PS2, which most aren\'t, they are coming out well after the first year of PS2, which was today, if I remember correctly.


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« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2001, 09:29:56 AM »
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Yeah, anyone can pick out games that looked better but had framerate problems--you are being selective to prove a point.  You are also implying that the psx had no framerate problems with its first generation of games, this is absolutely false--get over it and use some sense.  I could list dozens of games that look tremendously better  than first gen games (for psx, snes, genesis), but that wouldn\'t prove anything really.  Just use common sense, this point isn\'t something that can be argued.  It should be a given that devs learn small tricks to get more out of a system then they initially could.


Watchdog, you are the one being selective to prove a point. You list PSX SNES and Genesis as proof of how much all consoles graphics get better with time but leave out N64 and DC. Would that be because both of those later consoles showed very little improvement from their best looking launch titles?  To me the DC is overwhelming proof of just how thoroughly understood programing games under the old system of architecture has now become, learning "small tricks to get more out of a [old] system" is nothing compared to discovering different ways of using an entirely new architecture.

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Maxxed out, the PS2 is an inferior machine in terms of graphics, and that is the sad truth.


Two big problems with that statement.

1) No one yet knows what the PS2 "Maxxed out" will look like

2) Look up the word "inferior" and you might just realize how fanboy/trollish your use of it here sounds. Or not. THAT is the sad truth

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« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2001, 01:16:21 PM »
well said
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« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2001, 01:28:10 PM »
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