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Xbox threatens \'LIFE CYCLE" PS3 earlier than it intended?
« on: November 14, 2001, 09:57:18 AM »
http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalarchive/article.html?id=011114001787&query=Sony

COMPANIES & FINANCE THE AMERICAS: Sony chief says Xbox threatens \'life cycle\'
Financial Times; Nov 14, 2001
By PAUL ABRAHAMS



Microsoft\'s Xbox could change the economics of the Dollars 20bn games-console business, warned Kunitake Ando, Sony\'s president and chief operating officer.

"The biggest threat to PlayStation 2 (Sony\'s console) is that the Xbox changes the industry\'s life cycle," explained Mr Ando. "It is unclear how long we can keep this business model."

Traditionally, consoles have sold for five-year product life cycles, allowing the manufacturers time to recoup initial losses on hardware and generate substantial profits through software sales.

However, Mr Ando said the Xbox, due to be launched in the US tomorrow, could radically shorten that life cycle. "If it reduces it to three years we are okay," he explained. He said the company might have to shift to the PS3 earlier than it intended, which would be a blow to Microsoft.

Mary Meeker, analyst at Morgan Stanley, estimates Microsoft could lose more than Dollars 1bn before Xbox breaks even in 2004.

Mr Ando said that Microsoft had replaced Nintendo as its main competitor in the console market. Sega was forced out of the hardware market following the disastrous launch of its DreamCast console.

Mr Ando said that Sony could quickly change the PlayStation 2 into an online gaming product and then a home portal device, but the company wanted to recoup its huge investment in chip manufacturing. The Xbox features a broadband connection and a hard drive.

But the importance of the PlayStation division for Sony had been overemphasised, said Mr Ando.

"Last year we had a big loss from the PlayStation business. This year we will make very high profits. Next year competition will be intense and after that the outlook is unclear. This is a very cyclical business. Other businesses such as colour televisions and camcorders are much more stable."

Mr Ando said there was a debate within the company whether it should invest in manufacturing the PS3 because of the capital costs.

He said Sony could contract out manufacturing such as Microsoft, which is using outside suppliers for chips and has outsourced Xbox assembly to Flextronics.

Mr Ando said: "Since August, we have cut costs enough that we are no longer losing money on each PlayStation 2 we make."

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and this is the Register take on it
http://www.theregister.co.uk/con...22844.html
Sony frets over PS2 (and XBox)
By Eurogamer.net
Posted: 14/11/2001 at 16:39 GMT


Sony is feeling the heat of competition breathing down its neck. Kunitake Ando, Sony’s president and COO, has told the FT that the presence of Xbox on the market could shorten console lifecycles. In other words Ando fears that the more powerful Xbox, which actually retails for the same price as PlayStation 2 in the States, will force Sony to manufacture the PlayStation 3 ahead of schedule.

Ando also uses the opportunity to take a pop at Nintendo, drawing attention to the disappointing sales of its new console in Japan.

Currently, Sony’s console is the only one on the market in the USA, but as of next week it will have two competitors to deal with. The PS2 has an awesome catalogue of titles, though (and not content with that, Konami has mysteriously decided to launch Metal Gear Solid 2 one day after the US Xbox launch).

The news that Sony feels PS3 production may need to be ramped up sooner is slightly confusing, because the company isn\'t used to backing away from current formats as soon as something else hits the market.

That was Sega\'s MO, and the last thing we want is Sony repeating this mistake. If it\'s so worried about market share slipping through its fingers, why not hack another $100 off the price of PS2? Don\'t forget, while we pay £199, American consumers still having to pay $299 – a shade over £200 at current exchange rates. Under normal circumstances we would expect to pay as many pounds as the American pay dollars. Sony isn\'t exactly giving itself every break, which is why this PS3 message seems somewhat confused.

The truth is, Sony may not be losing much money on PS2 units at the moment, but with another $100 off the price it would be, and in order to get PS3 production online early (which Ando-san believes his company may need to do) it needs to recoup a lot of iinvestment in chip manufacturing. Perhaps now it\'s regretting its decision not to farm out console production to another firm, as Microsoft have done with Xbox...

If Sony is in this position, it\'s a no-winner. The company cannot afford to drop the price of PlayStation 2 because it needs to recoup costs. But neither can it afford to let Microsoft steal their market share by undercutting them in the near future. So which is worse? Losing the ability to construct PlayStation 3 in time to deal with an Xbox successor (HomeStation is still happening, as far as we know), or losing market share?

It\'s an unenviable position to be in. But we think that Microsoft has the greatest fight on its hands. MS has no previous success in the games console sector upon which to base promotions, few if any killer applications (Jet Set Radio Future isn\'t even out yet, so forget that), and it is opting for the higher price of $299.

With things the way they are now, Sony\'s next move may decide whether Xbox is a success or a failure.

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« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2001, 10:16:12 AM »
Interesting article.  Did sony worry when the Dreamcast and Nintendo 64 came out?  Most likely.  Both were more powerfull, and both appealed to developers.

I think this article is a worse case scenario.  A situation where the X-Box takes a big part of the market away from sony.

Sony is going to lose some market share.  But in the past Sony has pulled through by making some really high quality games and getting developers to make quality games as well.

The PS1 was an inferior system to the DreamCast for quite a long time, but its still out did and out sold it.  

Its all about the gamers.  Win the gamers over and you are succesfull.  Forget about them and you might as well shoot yourself now.  MS has a lot of work cut out for them.  They don\'t have the best customer service track record.  They may have the shinnest gem out there but it wont matter if they don\'t win the gamers over.

No matter what PS2 is here, will be here.  Now 1-2 years down the road, if they loose a good portion of their customers to MS then you will see some quick moves by Sony.

But remember this Competition is a good thing.  Now that Sony is seeing what MS can produce, its going to make Sony strive harder to build another supieror product.  So for the gamers, we will win in the end.  No matter if you a MS fanboy, or PS2 Fanboy.  Its a great time to be a gamer.

If you read all that then good for you..  Sorry for the rambling on, but those are my thoughts..
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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2001, 10:16:49 AM »
Hmmm, i think it wouldn\'t be wise for SONY to launch PS3 early, although it would be cool to have "better" graphics than the XBox. :D

SONY should be more interested in encouraging developers to come up with incredible titles, that sell systems, instead of taking the easy route and just launching PS3 2 years early or what have you…

I mean if we would be getting games comparable to MGS2, TM:B every month, wouldn’t we buy them? I know I would, even if the graphics weren’t as great as the Xbox’s.

Games sell systems. IMO. Not Technical specifications.

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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2001, 10:38:19 AM »
LOL..

As Kirath said, they\'re prolly talking about a worse case scenario..

1st.. The "cell" processor is far from complete

2nd.. I dont see how Xbox nor GameCube could catch up with a 20 million userbase.. (2 years)

3rd... PS2 has the STRONGEST 3rd party support..

4th... What would the leader of SONY know about this?
Why not interview the "father" of the Playstation, Kutaragi-san????
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This article was written by a fanboy for fanboys.. ;)
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« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2001, 11:05:24 AM »
Well personally I have nothing against shorter lifecycles. It\'s always nice to have something to look forward to :p

But I really doubt that they\'d push the PS.3 just because of the X-Box. The PS.2 can\'t hold it\'s own.
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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2001, 11:06:14 AM »
Those are old news, and have already been unconfirmed at http://www.sonyweb.com PS3 wont come out until 2005 around in Japan.
PS2 is already prepared for Broadband networks, it just didnt came out with the HDD obviosly because @ the time it would be incredibly expensive, and infrastructures arent enough, in spite even if they were, i doubt i´d pay for another ISP services.
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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2001, 11:28:50 AM »
Well I for one would rather the PS3 stay further down the road.  Jumping from system to system gets expensive.

One thing\'s for sure though, M$ just turned the heat up on the oven.
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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2001, 12:43:51 PM »
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Well I for one would rather the PS3 stay further down the road.  Jumping from system to system gets expensive.

One thing\'s for sure though, M$ just turned the heat up on the oven.


Trust me..
PS3 aint coming early.. I mean, why would it?
PS2 is doing great to say the least?
20 million consoles in 2 years..

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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2001, 02:17:23 PM »
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Trust me..
PS3 aint coming early.. I mean, why would it?
PS2 is doing great to say the least?
20 million consoles in 2 years..

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thats 20million shiped not sold. Cha-ching$$$$ get it rite fastson.
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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2001, 02:50:44 PM »
Actually to me this is cool news

I really do not have any problems buying a PS3 in 2 or 3 more years cause you know it will be significantly more powerful then anything on the market and will have the usual Sony backing

This is why I feel Xbox\'s and MS\'s entry into the market is a good thing. The competition and huge pocketbooks of these comanies will push the indstry ahead extremly fast


If Sony announces the PS3 then about 6 months before it goes on sale I\'ll sell off all my PS2 stuff enjoy Xbox\'s peak and pick up the PS3 at its launch

to me a few $100 every couple of years on state of the art systems is well worth it



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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2001, 06:00:48 PM »
How well do you think the X Box will sell.  Do you realy think it will sell more than Playstation 2?  Will it flop like Panasonic\'s 3DO?  I\'m interested in X Box, but something inside me says don\'t buy it yet.  When I bought Dreamcast, I knew that it\'s life span would be short, but after I saw Soul Calibur I knew it was a good console and would have more quality games than the Saturn had.  It lived up to my expectations with a huge library of games.  I bought a PS2 because I knew it would be an instant success.  It\'s hard to say when predicting the future of X Box.  To Microsoft, a Billion dollar Company it\'s just an experiment.  Console gaming is totally new to them.  What do you think?:surprised

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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2001, 06:02:22 PM »
Sony would be foolish to deal out the PS3 early cuz\' they would lose alot of money.

You can\'t just create a new system every three years, the best way is to let a sytem sit for 5 years or more. That\'s what happened with the Super Nintendo. It lived for a good 6 years and did Nintendo alotta good. Now look what happened when Sega quickly built the Dreamcast after the Saturn? They got screwed.

Point is, creating a new system every couple years is a bad move and very costly.

I\'d be happy to see the PS3 in 2006. PS2 has way too much life in it and way too many games ahead of it to be put in the basement.

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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2001, 08:03:28 PM »
All credit was lost in this article when he said...



"Sega was forced out of the hardware market following the disastrous launch of its DreamCast console. "

What a bunch of bull****. Dreamcast had the best system launch ever in it\'s time. EVER!


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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2001, 12:02:19 AM »
As much as I would want the  PS2 earlier, I hope it doesnt. A 5 year cycle is good. The average gamer isnt made of money
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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2001, 01:10:20 AM »
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thats 20million shiped not sold. Cha-ching$$$$ get it rite fastson.

you are working on the old figures

they are either close to or have breached that figure by now.

if not then they soon will as the PS2 enjoys a solo run to Christmas in Europe.
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