Nintendo riding the BS train

Originally posted by seven
I find it very sad, that a well respected company that has been in the business for years has to go down to that deep level and say that their console is the fastest selling in history while it doesn\'t even come close. I find it especially sad, since everyone who reads a bit of newspaper and remembers back when PS2 was sold knows that it\'s a big lie.

Maybe it is the fastest selling (in a week).  Anybody who reads the newspaper knows that Nintendo is the fastest selling (yes it is in tech news all over the place).  Come on just because Nintendo possilbly beat Sony at something you guys put it as BS.  It\'s not just you.  Nintendo fans do it.  Xbox fans do it.  Believe what you want but you\'ve gotta except defeat.

I sure do love the Toy Story 2 quality graphics on my PS2. Whoo boy, it sure is swell.

I remember the remark, but am not sure who said this. However, I do know what Sony writes in their official PR\'s and this is a quote out of it when they introduced the specs of the PS2:
With this large drawing capability, it is possible to render a movie-quality
image. (Refering to the 75 Mio. Pps number and 150 Mio. particle drawing rate).

IMHO, MGS2 beats Toy Story graphics in many ways. Detail, atmosphere and weather effects. While the graphics on PS2 might not be as clean, they sure look more appealing IMHO.

Another thing to note is that I don\'t think Sony lied about something that silly that everyone with a bit of memory can prove wrong just like that.

"Employees at all of Sony\'s competitors at one time or another have told Next Generation editors they believe Sony\'s performance benchmarks are unrealistic or inflated."

          -Next-Gen

Maybe Sony feels this way about Nintendo\'s numbers.  We\'ll wait and see if they say anything.

[Titan]

Originally posted by Dajona
Maybe it is the fastest selling (in a week).  Anybody who reads the newspaper knows that Nintendo is the fastest selling (yes it is in tech news all over the place).  Come on just because Nintendo possilbly beat Sony at something you guys put it as BS.  It\'s not just you.  Nintendo fans do it.  Xbox fans do it.  Believe what you want but you\'ve gotta except defeat. [/B]

Nintendo did not beat PS2 in anything. Who sold out in the first day and who didn\'t? Nintendo is just finishing up selling their first shipment. Nintendo fanboys just won\'t accept that Nintendo will be defeated by Sony.

I thought this issue would be brought up, but I don\'t see how they can go wrong. You throw in as much polygones as possible on screen and have a look how fast the GS can render them. I guess at 75 Mio. pps was the limit. Sony stated that the data is messured. Do I trust these numbers?

Yes. Current games are pushing way over the 10 Mio. pps mark. Outcast appearently pushes 18 Mio. pps! Burnout comes in with 13 Mio. pps. These are numbers that have been stated by Sony (20 with most effects on, not considering in-game calculations) to be achievable. The other thing that is interesting, is that the EE has two sets of VU\'s. While one is for 3d geometry calculations, the other one can be used to perform AI calculations independendly. If this is true, then the drawing rate of the polygons aren\'t involved and you can expect PS2 games to reach 20 and more million pps. It will be interesting what the next generation of games will be pushing.

The PS2 is really powerful and I\'m sure it can go into the 20mpps range.  

I\'m just trying to prove that everycompany stretches numbers every now and then.

I still sceptical at Nintendo\'s numbers.

Originally posted by Titan



Nintendo is just finishing up selling their first shipment. Nintendo fanboys just won\'t accept that Nintendo will be defeated by Sony.

I think it\'s the other way around.  Not like this whole thing matters anyway (I am arguing for the sake of arguing, we do need something to talk about don\'t we?).  Sony \'fanboys\' can\'t accept the fact that Nintendo may have beat the PS2 in launch.

ok, lets theoretically day that nintendo "might have" beat sony\'s numbers at launch

do you really think the GC can match the PS\'s installed user base?

nope.

Originally posted by Dajona


Maybe it is the fastest selling (in a week).  Anybody who reads the newspaper knows that Nintendo is the fastest selling (yes it is in tech news all over the place).  Come on just because Nintendo possilbly beat Sony at something you guys put it as BS.  It\'s not just you.  Nintendo fans do it.  Xbox fans do it.  Believe what you want but you\'ve gotta except defeat.

Bullsh it

Nintendo didn\'t come close

980,000 in one day in japan

500,000 in one day US

They might have squeeked out the 1 week US record but Nintendo owns nothing

Its even funnier that Nintendo fans can\'t admit the fact when the data is so obvious

now prove to me that the Lamepube is the fastest selling console in comparison to the above PS2 numbers

Yup PS2 kicked ass in Japan.  I don\'t think gamecube sold the fastest here.  The media says so but this is the media we\'re talking about.

The PS2 sold 500,000 in one day/week

The Game cube sold 700,000 in a week

How is that not selling more in the first week?

Originally posted by seven
IMHO, MGS2 beats Toy Story graphics in many ways. Detail, atmosphere and weather effects. While the graphics on PS2 might not be as clean, they sure look more appealing IMHO.

Keep telling yourself that. I could see if Toy Story was shown in real-time; but the fact of the matter is that it was pre-rendered months in advance with better models/textures/lighting. Had they put in the same weather effects as MGS2 they would have had better weather.

[Living-In-Clip]

Okay....

First off, lets say that Nintendo sold out 700,000 units in the first week. If so, then that would make the GC the fastest selling console. Lets not confuse this with the fastest selling console in one single day . This is totally different. That would mean, that GC sold 300,000 more than Sony did the first week, due to the fact Sony could only ship 500,000 the first week of the PS2 launch. Make sense? Thought so. You will note that I ignored Xbox sales, because to my knowledge, MS has not released anything saying how many units they sold in the first week (300,000 I suppose).  You can also argue that the selling point for the mass PS2 sell-out in Japan was simply because the PS2 was a cheap DVD player for the Japanese market. Does it matter? NO. I am just saying, you can go in circles over this whole matter for along time. IN the end, each console sold an impressive amount.

Second off, does it really even matter? Before everyone starts screaming that Nintendo is "liars", think about it for a second...What company has not lied to increase media hype? As Gohan has already pointed out Sony kept goin\' on about "toy story quality graphics" and I even remember some George Lucas media hype...


I don\'t see why so many of you are concerned with what company Y sold and if Company X sold more than company Y.


MM said it best once again..

competition makes for better gaming

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Originally posted by ddaryl

...Lamepube...

Ah the words of a mature Sony fan.