damn you microsoft!

Originally posted by Watchdog
You get a person who has never played a video game on a console before and tell him/her to put these items in order:

c, b, d, a

circle, square, x, triangle

Then you tell me which method is more logical.

a b c d seems more logical than c, b, d, a.

But some people learn visually and others are auditory learners (that means hearing).  So while letters may be easier for you, numbers or shapes may be easier for somebody else.

How can you even argue this?!?!

Everyone who has ever gone to kindergarten knows their alphabet and therefore will know how to crack the code I provided earlier (assemble these in order c, b, d, a).

My whole point is that by using an established ordering routine, people do not have to relearn something that could easily be avoided.

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But some people learn visually and others are auditory learners (that means hearing). So while letters may be easier for you, numbers or shapes may be easier for somebody else.
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You saying garbage like this makes no sense at all.  So you are saying you learned your alphabet from your video game console?  Give your head a shake.  Visual, auditory whatever, it doesn\'t matter when people already know the system.  Numbers would work too, and no one would have a problem with that either, but when you introduce a system that has no natural order or sequence you are making people work harder.

First of all "a b c d" are letters of the English language so that would only make sense to English-speaking people.  Second English is read from left to right.  The buttons on the PS2 controller are diagonal in relation to each other.  So in what order do you read them?  The shoulder buttons can read differently depending on how you look at them.

*chuckles to himself*

Watchdog:

Well most controllers have a,b,c etc in a logical pattern across the pad so it\'s easy to find the correct button when told. But with the shapes garbage it makes learning the controller tougher.

The GC controller is a great pad becasue it naturally fits into your hand.

You have been arguing that most controllers have the letters in a logical order -- which makes them better than the "shapes garbage" of the PS2 controller.  And after that, you even praised the NGC controller.  So tell me, if you will, how the NGC controller is set up more logically than the PS2 controller...



Reading that the "English" way, it reads B, Y, A, X.  If anything, I would say that that is more confusing than the shapes of the PS2 pad.


BTW, I think the "feel" of the NGC controller is highly overrated.  I actually think the Xbox controller feels more comfortable in my hands, but the Xbox button layout is worse (due to the buttons that are too close together).

Key board and mouse is the best controller.

Originally posted by ViVi
Key board and mouse is the best controller.

i dont know about that one

i get the a button confused with the s button all the time same goes for the z button and the x one

i tell its a massive confusion of buttons ahhhhhhhh

Originally posted by Ashford


And I don\'t own a Sony controller so excuse me for not memorizing their lame pattern.

:rolleyes:

And you call yourself a gamer

:rolleyes:


oh and how is the dreamcast x,y,b,a any different than sonys square,triangle,circle,x

I said I liked the feel of the GC controller and still do--although I haven\'t really used it much.  I never said it was set up more logically, I just like the way it fits into my hand--different argument.

Disregarding the controllers that don\'t conform (you are right mixed up alphabet is no better than shapes), the controllers that do follow a logical pattern are easier to learn--that was always my point and still is.

Yes I am aware that the Japanese have their own alphabet, and frankly I don\'t care what organizing principal they use on their pads.  Diagonal or not, assigning letters to the buttons could be as simple as closest to the player, left to right from there.
The shoulder buttons could follow the same principal using the only angle that makes sense--while the controller is in hand.  The xbox controller isn\'t set up like this, but it still is logical once you look at it (right to left, bottom to top): two alphabetical columns.

At any rate this argument has been push far too far.  My point is a simple one:  my sister (a gaming novice to say the least) grew confused and frustrated with the "kindergarten controller" (her phrase, not mine).  She wondered why they labelled the pad in such a confusing manner.  It would have been easier to say hit \'b\' (she would understand that \'b\' would be next to \'a\') rather than hit triangle.

Originally posted by Watchdog
At any rate this argument has been push far too far.  My point is a simple one:  my sister (a gaming novice to say the least) grew confused and frustrated with the "kindergarten controller" (her phrase, not mine).  She wondered why they labelled the pad in such a confusing manner.  It would have been easier to say hit \'b\' (she would understand that \'b\' would be next to \'a\') rather than hit triangle.

There you have it.  Watchdog\'s sister has spoken.  Let me get Sony on the phone.

Originally posted by Bozco


And you call yourself a gamer

:rolleyes:


oh and how is the dreamcast x,y,b,a any different than sonys square,triangle,circle,x

Thank you very much, Bozco.

Today, you have proven yourself to be nothing more than a Sony fanboy.

"Bozco\'s Dictionary"

gamer - one who owns at least one Sony console.

Now on to your second point...

Go back and read the thread and find where I mentioned the DC controller. Oh wait, you can\'t...

If your reading disability didn\'t hinder you, you would know I said the Japanese Saturn and Genesis 6-button pads were the best. But then again, those aren\'t real controllers as they weren\'t made by Sony.

:rolleyes:

did i just hear a toilet flush?

I didn\'t waste my time and read the whole thread you cock, I just figured since you mentioned letters that you were talking about the DC contoller, oh and just to let you know I own a DC, just thought you should know since you ignorantly label me, and I still think your a dumbass with the whole letter and shape thing, if someone can\'t figure out the controller in two seconds maybe they should take a class or something for it

Yawn...

I went to school to learn how to put A, B, C, X, Y, Z in order, not triangle, square, X, circle.

And you\'re still a fanboy for thinking only one who owns a Sony console is a gamer.

Please...

What other choice words do you have to direct towards me?

come on kids, take this crap out in the school yard, so we can all point and laugh

i dont wanna have to close my own thread

Sorry, mm...

But I don\'t see how my preference for the Saturn\'s controller over the PS controller could piss someone off so easily.